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1 okrkzyki & 418] teew] rk & Disc.CD No.418, dated at Jammu le; & ftkklw & ckck] ok.kh esa vk;k gs & czkã.k oks tks jpf;rk vksj jpuk dks tkurk gksa rks czãk ckck us rks jpf;rk dks ugha tkuka ckck & ugha tkuk( blfy, rks i<+kbz i<+ jgs gsaa czãk vfkkzr~ d`.k dh lksy bl le; i<+kbz i<+ jgh gs ;k i<+k jgh gs\ ftkklw & i<+ jgh gsa Time:10.29 Student: Baba, it has been mentioned in a vani, He who knows the creator and the creation is a Brahmin. But Brahma Baba did not know the Creator. Baba: He did not know; that is why he is studying knowledge. Is Brahma, i.e. the soul of Krishna studying knowledge at present or is he teaching? Student: He is studying. ckck & vhkh Hkh d`.k dh lksy i<+kbz i<+ jgh gsa oks vhkh Hkh cppk cqf) gs( D;ksafd vhkh Hkh mudh cqf) esa ;s ckr ugha csbh gs fd xhrk dk Hkxoku lkdkj esa dksu gksrk gs\ oks lkdkj esa xhrk dk Hkxoku fdldks le>rs gsa\ f koks ge~a rks nqfu;k dk cm+s rs cm+k f koks ge~ dksu gqvk\ tks HkfDrekxZ esa vksj viu dks f koks ge~ dgus okys gsa oks brus cm+s f koks ge~ ugha gs( ysfdu mudk Hkh cm+s rs cm+k f koks ge~ tks f koks ge~ dk QkmUMs ku Mkyrk gs oks Lo;a czãk gsa vhkh Hkh gsa pksyk NwV x;k gs rks dksbz nwljs fuferr pksys esa izos k djds ikvz ctkrk gsa iq: k ru NwV x;k czãk dk] oks ugha iwtk tkrka dc iwtk tkrk gs\ tc dksbz L=h pksys esa izos k djrk gsa rc iwtk tkrk gsa rks ftl Hkh L=h pksys esa izos k djds txneck dk ikvz ctkrk gs czãk dgks] txneck dgks ckr rks,d gh gsa ml pksys ds }kjk oks xhrk dk Hkxoku fdldks le>rk gs\ ftkklw & vius dksa Baba: Even now the soul of Krishna is studying knowledge. He still has a child-like intellect because even now it has not fitted in his intellect, who the God of the Gita in corporeal form is. Whom does he consider as the God of the Gita in a corporeal form? Shivoham (I am Shiv). So, who is the biggest Shivoham (i.e. the person who considers himself to be Shiv) in the world? Those who call themselves Shivoham in the path of bhakti (devotion) are not so big Shivohams, but the one is a bigger Shivoham as compared to them, who lays the foundation of Shivoham is Brahma himself. Even now he is the one (who considers himself to be Shivoham). Although he has left his body, he enters in another body which is an instrument and plays his part. Brahma left his male body; that (male form) is not worshipped. When is he worshipped? He is worshipped when he enters in a female body. So, whichever female body he enters and plays the part of Jagdamba ; call him Brahma, or Jagdamba, it is one and the same. Through that body, whom does he consider as the God of the Gita? Student: Himself. ckck& rks lkfcr gks x;k fd Kku dh vk [k ugha gsa Hkxoku vkosxk rks dqn djds tkosxk ;k,sls gh okil pyk tkosxk\ dqn djds x;k gs izsfdvdy esa rc lalkj Hkxoku dks ekurk gs vksj,slk dqn dke djds x;k gs tks nqfu;k ds dksbz Hkh /kez firkvksa us ugha fd;ka ubz nqfu;k dksbz us ugha cukbza nqfu;k dh ejeer rks dh gs VkbZe Vq VkbZe( ysfdu ejeer fdrus fnu pysxh\ FkksM+s VkbZe tks Hkh /kez vk;k lkfrod jgrk gsa tynh gh reksiz/kku cu tkrk 1

2 gsa 2500 o kz ds fy, l`f VpØ esa vk/kk le; ds fy, ubz nqfu;k dksbz us ugha cukbza cki vkdjds ubz nqfu;k cukrs gsaa Baba: So, it is proved that he does not have the eye of knowledge. When God comes, will He go after doing something or will he go back without doing anything? He has done something in practical before going; only then does the world accept God and He has performed such a task and gone that no other religious father of the world has performed. Nobody created a new world. They did repair the world from time to time, but, how many days will the repairing last? Whichever religion comes, it remains true (satvik) for some time. It becomes tamopradhan (dominated by the quality of darkness or ignorance) soon. Nobody created a new world for half the period of the world cycle, for 2500 years. The Father comes and creates the new world. le; & ftkklw & ckck] ;s :nzekyk tc fot;ekyk esa,m gksrh gsa mlds ckn kjhj fjt;qfousv gksrs gsa ;k igys fjt;qfousv gksdj fqj,m gksrs gsa\ ckck & fjt;qfousv ekuk\ ftkklw & dapu dk;ka ckck& dapu dk;k] ekyk izr;{k gksus ds ckn cusxh ;k igys cu tk,xh\ :nzekyk ds e.kds izr;{k gksus ls igys gh dapu dk;k cu tk,xh\ ftkklw & ugha ckck] ckn esa cusxha ckck& vksj igys flqz :nzekyk gh cusxh ;k fot;ekyk izr;{k gksxh\ ftkklw & fot;ekyk gh izr;{k gksxha Time: Student: Baba, do the bodies rejuvenate after this Rudramala (the rosary of Rudra) is added to the Vijaymala (the rosary of victory), or are they added after being rejuvenated? Baba: What does rejuvenate mean? Student: Kanchankaya (the golden body). Baba: Will kanchankaya be made after the revelation of the rosary or before it? Will the kanchankaya be made before the revelation of the beads of Rudramala? Student: No Baba, it will be prepared later on. Baba: And will only the Rudramala become ready first of all or will the Vijaymala be revealed first? Student: The Vijaymala will be revealed [first] indeed. ckck & rc kjhjksa dk] ikap rroksa dk duo kzu gksxk\ igys vkrek dk duo kzu gksxk] vkrek fjt;qfousv gksxh ;k igys kjhj fjt;qfousv gksaxs\ ftkklw & vkreka ckck & vkrek] vksj vkrek rc rd fjt;qfousv ugha gks ldrh tc rd izo`frr ekxz dh iddh u cusa :nzekyk ds e.kds vius esa idds gsa ;k dpps gsa\ ftkklw & dpps gsaa ckck & rc rd dpps gsa tc rd mudks muds leku iq: kkfkhz u feys vksj tc leku iq: kkfkhz fey tkosxk rks :nzekyk ds e.kds fot;ekyk esa,m gks tkosaxsa rks,m gks tkosaxs rks Hkh ugha dgsaxs( D;ksafd te ns tke ns ugha gksrk gsa vkrek dks vifo= ls ifo= cuus esa] ifrr vkrek ls ikou cuus esa fdruk VkbZe yxk\ vhkh fdrus lky gks x,\ ftkklw & 70 lkya Baba: Will the conversion of the bodies, of the five elements take place at that time? Will conversion of the soul take place first, will the soul rejuvenate first or will the bodies rejuvenate first? Student: The soul. 2

3 Baba: The soul. And the soul cannot rejuvenate until it becomes firm in the path of household (pravritti marg). Are the beads of the rosary of Rudra firm or weak? Student: They are weak. Baba: They are weak as long as they do not find an equal purusharthi ( maker of special effort for the soul) and when they find an equal purusharthi, the beads of Rudramala will be added to the Vijaymala. Even when they are added (to vijaymala), it is not that the bodies will rejuvenate; because it cannot happen at once. How much time did the soul take to transform from an impure soul to a pure soul, from a sinful soul to a pure soul? How many years have passed now? Student: 70 years. ckck & 70 lkya vhkh rks :nzekyk Hkh iwjh izr;{k ugha gqbz gsa vhkh rks vkb dk gh uecj yx jgk gs] kq: gks jgk gsa vkb izr;{k gks tkosaxs] rc dgk tkosxk Vw ysv dk cksmz yx x;ka vhkh ysv dk cksmz yxk gsa Vw ysv dk cksmz ugha yxk gsa bldk eryc vhkh vkrek,sa Hkh leiuu ugha cuh gsa rks 70 lky iwjs gks x, vhkh vkrek,sa Hkh leiuu ugha cuh gsaa rks ik p izd`fr ds rro tks tm+ rro gksrs gsaa ftueas le> gh ugha gsa ik p rro dgs tkrs gsas uka D;k uke gs mudk\ i`foh] ty] ok;q] vfxu] vkdk ka oks Hkh psru; :i esa gksaxs] muds Hkh tks ewy gsa lkdkj esa gksaxs ;k flqz tm+ gksaxs\ vjs! dksbz i`foh ds :Ik esa ikvz ctkus okyh i`foh ekrk lkdkj esa gksxh ;k flqz,sls gh\ lkdkj esa gksxha rks oks tm+roebz cqf) okyh gksxh ;k psru; cqf) gksxh cki dsk igpkuus okyh\ ftkklw & lkdkj esa gksxh rks psru; gksxha Baba: 70 years. Now even the Rudramala has not revealed completely. Now it is just the eight who are beginning to reach their number (i.e. rank). When the eight are revealed, then it will be said that the board of too late has been displayed. Now the board of late has been displayed. The board of too late has not been displayed. It means that even the souls have not become perfect now. So, although 70 years have passed, the souls have not become perfect yet. The five elements of nature, which are non-living, which do not have any knowledge at all, are called the five elements, aren t they? What are their names? Earth, water, air, fire and sky. Will they too be in a living form? Will their origins also be in a corporeal form or just in a non-living form? Arey! Will there be a mother Earth who plays the part of Earth in a corporeal form or is it just for name sake? She will be in a corporeal form. So, will she have an inert intellect or a living intellect which recognizes the Father? Student: If she is in a corporeal form she will be living. ckck & psru; cqf) gksxh\ cki dks igpkuus okyh\ igys izd`fr ds ik p rro cki dks igpkusaxs tks jko.k ds flj fn[kk, tkrs gsaa jko.k ds ik p flj ek;k ds :Ik fn[kk, tkrs gsaa dke] Øks/k] ykshk] eksg] vgadkja fqj ik p flj izd`fr ds ik p rro fn[kk, tkrs gsaa nl flj fn[kk, tkrs gsa uka rks oks nl flj cki dks igys igpkurs gsa ;k tm+roebz cqf) okys\ jko.k ds fljksa dks D;k dgsaxs\ cki dks igpkuus okyh cqf) gs ;k cki dks frjldkj djus okyh vksj u igpkuus okyh cqf) gs\ cki dks u igpkuus okyh vfkok frjldkj djus okyh cqf) gs( blfy, cksyk eqjyh esa & esjs lkfk jgus okys esjs dks ugha igpku ikrsa ik p rroksa esa eq[; rro dksulk gs\ i`foha i`foh,slk rro gs ftl i`foh rro ij lkjh nqfu;k dk vk/kkj gsa tks Hkh psru; gs tho&tarq oks dgk jgrs gsa\ i`foh ij jgrs gsa vksj dksbz nwljs xzg&mixzg esa rks tho&tarq jgrs gh ughaa psru;rk tks gasa oks flqz i`foh ij gs vksj i`foh ij Hkh mrrjh/kzqo vksj nf{k.kh/kzqoa ukwfkziksy] lkåfkiksy,slh txg gs tgk lw;z dh fdj.kas] Kku dh fdj.ksa frjnh im+rh gs( D;ksafd cgqr nwj gsa rks ogk Hkh dksbz tho&tarq ftkklw & ugha jgrsa 3

4 Baba: Will she have a living intellect that recognizes the Father? Will the five elements of the nature which are depicted as the heads of Ravan recognize the Father first? The five heads of Ravan are depicted in the form of Maya. Lust, anger, greed, attachment and ego. Then the five elements of nature are depicted as the (remaining) five heads. Ten heads are depicted, aren t they? So, do those ten heads recognize the Father first or do those who have an inert intellect recognize the Father first? What will the heads of Ravan be called? Do they possess an intellect that recognizes the Father or do they possess an intellect that censures and does not recognize the Father? They have an intellect that doesn t recognize the Father or scorns at Him. That is why it has been said in a Murli, those who live with me cannot recognize me. Which is the main element among the five elements? The Earth. The Earth is such an element, on which the entire world is based. Where do all the living beings live? They live on the Earth. Living organisms do not exist on any other planet or satellite at all. Life exists only on the Earth. And even on the Earth the North Pole and the South Pole are such places where the rays of the Sun, the rays of (Sun of) knowledge fall in an inclined way because they (North Pole and the South Pole) are situated very far away. So, there, no living beings... Student:... exist there. ckck & tgk lw;z dh fdj.ksa lh/kh im+rh gsa ogha tho&tarq T;knk gsaa fo kqor js[kk ds vkl&ikl ddz js[kk] edj js[kk ds vkl&ikl rd tgk lw;z dh fdj.ks lh/kh im+rh gsa ekuk Kku lw;z dk Mk;jsDV izdk k tgk &tgk feyrk gs ogha psru;rk gsa rks] ik p rro igys leiuu cusaxs ;k vkrek,sa igys leiuu cusaxh eu&cqf):ih\ eu&cqf):ih vkrekvksa dks leiuu cuus ds fy, bruk VkbZe gs] lks o kz dk laxe;qxa ifrr nqfu;k esa,d Hkh ikou ugha gksxk vksj ikou nqfu;k esa,d Hkh ifrr ugha gksxka tgk nqfu;k dk cm+k fgllk ifrrksa dk gsa ogk ikou dk laxbu dsls izr;{k gksxk\ blfy, tc rd nqfu;k esa iki vkrekvksa dh la[;k T;knk gs] rks ok;czs ku iki ds T;knk cusaxs ;k iq.; ds T;knk ok;czs ku cusaxs\ ftkklw & iki dsa ckck & dc rd curs jgsaxs\ ftkklw & tc rd fouk k ugha gksxka ckck & ugha] iq.; ds ok;czs ku cu gh ugha ldrs( D;ksafd budh la[;k gh eqv~bh Hkj gsa lr;qx dh ubz nqfu;k dh kq:okr djus okyh VksVy vkrek,sa fdruh gs\ ftkklw & 9 yk[k 16 gtkja ckck& ughaa ftkklw& lk<s+ pkj yk[ka Baba: There are more living beings only wherever the rays of the Sun fall directly. There is life (chaitanyata) only at the places around the equator, around the tropic of Cancer (kark-rekha) and the tropic of Capricorn (makar-rekha), where the Sun rays fall directly, i.e. the places which receive the direct light of the Sun of knowledge. So, will the five elements become perfect first or will the mind & intellect-like souls become perfect first? The time of hundred-years of the Confluence Age is for the mind & intellect-like souls to become perfect. There will not be even a single pure soul in the sinful world and there will not be a single sinful soul in the pure world. How will the gathering of pure souls be revealed in the world where the major portion consists of sinful souls? That is why, until the number of sinful souls is more in the world, will there be more vibrations of sins or more vibrations of charity (punya)? Student: Of sins. Baba: Until when will they continue to be formed? Student: Until destruction takes place. 4

5 Baba: No, the vibrations of charity cannot be created at all because their (pure souls ) number is just handful. What is the total number of souls who commence the new world of the Golden Age? Student: 9 lakh, 16 thousand. Baba: No. Student: Four and a half lakhs (450 thousand). ckck& uks yk[k rks 2036 esa Hkh ugha gskaxsa 2036 esa Hkh uks yk[k vkcknh ugha gksxha jk/kk&d`.k dk tue gksus ds ckna jk/kk d`.k tsls tue ysus okys cppksa dh la[;k lk<+s pkj yk[k gks tk, vksj tue nsus okyksa dh la[;k lk<+s pkj yk[k gks tk,a rks lr;qx ds igys tue ds ckn tc jk/kk&d`.k tsls nwljs uecj ds cpps isnk gks ekuk nwljk ukjk;.k rc dgsaxsa bldk eryc ;s gqvk fd tc rd iki vkrekvksa dh nqfu;k iwjh [kykl ugha gksrh gs rc rd ubz nqfu;k dk ok;czs ku vpnk ugha cu ldrk vksj ok;czs ku tc rd vpnk ugha cusxk Js B vkrekvksa dk rc rd ok;czs ku ds vk/kkj ij ik p rro Hkh ikou ugha cu ldrsa Baba: Nine lakh (population) will not exist even in The population will not be nine lakh even in, after the birth of Radha and Krishna. The number of children who take birth like Radha and Krishna should reach four and a half lakh and the number of those who give birth should also reach four and a half lakh. So, after the first birth of the Golden Age, when the children like Radha and Krishna belonging to the second category (generation) take birth, i.e. when the second Narayan takes birth, then it will be said (to have reached nine lakhs). It means that until the entire world of the sinful souls perishes completely, the vibrations of the new world cannot become nice and until the vibrations of the righteous souls becomes nice, the five elements too cannot become pure on the basis of the vibrations. le; & ftkklw & ckck],d ekrkth dks ysvj esa vk;k ckck ls fd eqjyh fdldks ialn gksrh gs vksj vo;dr ok.kh fdldks\ rks mlesa vkulj ¼tokc½ vk;k fd tks nsoh xq.k okys gksrs gsa mudks vo;dr ok.kh ilan gksxha tks ckck & tks nsoh xq.k okys ugha gksrs gsaa ftuds vanj nsoh xq.kksa dh /kkj.kk ugha gs mruh mudks vo;dr ok.kh vpnh yxsxh vksj eqjyh mudks vpnh yxsxh tks Kkuh rw vkrek gs( ysfdu /kkj.kk ugha gsa Time: Student: Baba, a mother received a letter from Baba regarding her question as to who like Murlis and who like Avyakta Vanis? So, an answer was received in that, those who have divine virtues like Avyakta Vanis. Those Baba: Those who do not have divine virtues, those who do not inculcate divine virtues will like Avyakta Vani more and those who are knowledgeable souls, but do not have inculcation (of virtues) will like Murlis. Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation. 5

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