okrkzyki lh-mh- ua- 254] rkjh[k% ] Discussion CD No.254 dated at Aara, Bihar

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1 okrkzyki lh-mh- ua- 254] rkjh[k% ] Discussion CD No.254 dated at Aara, Bihar Kisi Bhai nay poocha: Geography ka repetition hamko clear buddhi may nahee aata hai. Baba nay uttar diya: Kyon clear buddhi may nahee aata? Geography mana kya? Us Bhai nay poocha: Jaisey maan leejiye abhi yahaan makaan banaa hai, Rajasthan say maan leejiye, sangmarmar ko kaatkar kay yahaan lagaa diya gaya. Sab vinaash ho jayega toh yah sangmarmar vahaan chalaa jaayega? Baba nay uttar diya: Jab saari duniya may bhookamp jor-jor say hongey aur bhookamp may hamey maaloom hai neechey ka lavada saara oopar aata hai, neechey jo aag bhari hui hai, prithvi kay andar, sara patthar jo hai pighal kar ke liquid ban jata hai, aag ban jaati hai. Aur jaisey pateela hota hai, usmay paani khaultaa hai, toh paani ka ek anu doosrey anu say kya karta hai? Mix hokar kay ek ho jata hai. Usmay ek boond, boond ka koi hissa, jaisey laal davaa hoti hai paani ki voh usmay daal dee jaaye, toh kya hoga? Turant, turant saarey paani may mix ho jata hai. Aisey hi, duniya ka joa bhi anu-anu hai, jahaan say cycle shuru kartaa hai, Satyug aadi say, vahin 5000 varsh ka chakkar lagaatey-lagaatey fir vahin pahunch jata hai. Abhi toh chotey-chotey bhookamp aatey rahey hain Dwaparyug say. Jab last vinaash hoga, jo sainkadon hajaaron kee taadaad may atom bomb baney padey hain, aur voh ikatthey footengey, jaisey diwali hoti hai na, toh pehley bachhey thodey-thodey pataakhey chutaatey rahtey hain, ek chutaya, doh chutaya, chaar chutaye, aath chutaaye, 10, 20, 15 chutaaye, chutaatey rahey, jab dekhein thak jaatey hain toh kya kartey hain? Saarey hee pataakhey may ek saath aag lagaa detey hain. Aisey hee job hi atom bomb hain, voh saarey ek saath dhadaka hongey. Aur jo Mount Abu ka kadak say kadak pathhar ka pahaad hai, granite ka pahaad, duniya ka sabsey majboot pahaad, jahaan Brahan tapasya karengey ant tak, voh pahaad bhi aakhri vinaash may pighal karke jaaney kahaan ka kahaan chalaa jaavega. Toh kyon nahee samajh may aatee history, geography? Aur itnee jab garmee hogi bhookampon kay aadhaar par, toh samundar ka jal khaulega ya nahee khaulega? Boil honay lagega. Aur saari Prithvi par, uttari dhruv aur dakshini dhruv par, jo meelon oonchey barf kay pahaad hain voh saarey pighal karke kahaan aa jaavengey? Samandar may aa jaavengey. Samandar ka star ooncha uth jaayega. Isliye kaha ye Bambai aadi sab doob jaavengey. Toh itnee bhaap uthegi saari duinya may ki kayi dinon tak moosalaadhaar barsaat hoti rahengi. Lagaataar barsaat honay ka result kya hoga? Prithvi ka temperature ekdam neechey gir jaavega. Barf hee barf jam ho jaavegi. Us barf kay dheerey pighalney par jo generation baahar aayegi, voh generation toh pehley kaun say desh may chalegi? Bharat may. Bharat avinaashi khand hai. Jahaan Bhagwaan Baap aakar ke pratyakshata roopi janma letey hain. Voh khand 2500 varsh tak jyon ka tyon rahega, vriddhi ko pata rahega jamboodweep. Aur aadhakalp poora hotey hee, jab doosrey-doosrey dharma kee aatmaen oopar say neechey aana shuru hoti hai dwaitwaadi yug shuru hota hai toh Islam dharmkhand pratyaksh hota hai, jameen kay andar say (sic) voh samandar kay andar say aur Islam dharmakhand, Arabkhand, Africa, ye vistaar ko paa jaatey hain. Bhaarat kay saath-saath ek khand jud gayaa. Aisey hee fir Bauddhi khand Mahatma Buddh kay aaney say pehley hee taiyyaar ho jata hai. Jaisey garbh may bachha pehley hee taiyyaar hota hai na. Aatma baad may pravesh kartee hai lekin pind pehley taiyyar ho jata hai, aisey hee oopar say doosreydoosrey dharm kee aatmaen baad may aati hain aur poorveey dharmkhand, Japan, Cheen, Afganis (sic) voh ye Indonesia, Tibbat, ye pehley samandar say oopar aa jaatey hain. Aisey he ek-ek karke Isai dharmkhand, Europe, America, ye bhi time to time oopar aa jaatey hain. Toh Prithvi vistaar ko paati rahti hai. Kaliyug kay ant tak jab tak Bhagwaan ka aagman hota hai, sthaapanaa ka kaarya poora hota hai vinaash ka found (sic) vinaash sampan hota hai. Paalna 1

2 ka foundation lag jaata hai, toh fir sarva dharmakhand, samandar may samaa jaatey hain. Kyonki Prithvi ka star hee (sic) voh saagar ka star hee oopar uth jaata hai. Saagar kay star oopar jaaney say saarey dharmkhand jo pehley nahee thay Satyug-Treta may voh sab lop ho jaatey hain. Sirf Bharat rah jata hai. Toh geography samajh may aai ki nahi? fdlh HkkbZ us iwnk & T;kWxzkQh dk fjihvs'ku gedks Dyh;j cqf) esa ugha vkrk gsa ckck us tokc fn;k & D;ksa fdy;j cqf) esa ugha vkrk \ T;kWxzkQh ekus D;k \ HkkbZ us dgk & tsls eku yhft, vhkh ;gk edku ;s cuk gsa jktlfkku ls eku yhft, laxejej dks dkvdj ;gk yxk fn;k x;k] lc fouk'k gks tk,xk rks fqj oks laxejej D;k ogk pyk tk,xk\ ckck us tokc fn;k & tc lkjh nqfu;k esa HkwdEi tksj&tksj ls gksaxs vksj HkwdEi esa gesa ekywe gs & uhps dk yoknk lkjk Åij vkrk gsa uhps tks vkx Hkjh gqbz gs i`foh ds vanj] lkjk irfkj tks gs fi?ky djds fyfdom cu tkrk gs] vkx cu tkrh gs vksj tsls irhyk gksrk gs] mlesa ikuh [kksyrk gs( rks ikuh dk,d v.kq nwljs v.kq ls D;k djrk gs\ fedl gks djds,d gks tkrk gsa mlesa,d cwan] cwan dk dksbz fgllk] tsls yky nok gksrh gs ikuh dh] oks mlesa Mky nh tk,a rks D;k gksxk \ rqjur] rqjur lkjs ikuh esa fedl gks tkrk gsa,sls gh nqfu;k dk tks Hkh v.kq&v.kq gs] tgk ls lkbfdy kq: djrk gs lr;qx vkfn ls] ogh 5000 o"kz dk pddj yxkrs&yxkrs&yxkrs&yxkrs fqj ogha igq p tk,xka vhkh rks NksVs&NksVs HkwdEi vkrs jgs gsa }kij;qx lsa tc yklv fouk k gksxk] tks lsdm+ksa] gt+kjksa dh rknkn esa,ve ce cus im+s gsa vksj oks bdv~bs QwVsaxsA tsls fnokyh gksrh gs uk] rks igys cpps FkksM+s&FkksM+s ivk[ks NqVkrs jgrs gsaa,d NqVk;k] nks NqVk;k] pkj NqVk;s] vkb NqVk;s] nl&chl&ianzg NqVk,] NqVkrs jgs] tc ns[ks Fkd tkrs gsa rks D;k djrs gsa \ lkjs gh ivk[ks,d lkfk vkx yxk nsrs gsaa,sls gh tks Hkh,Ve ce gsa] oks lkjs,d lkfk /km+kdk gksaxs vksj tks ekm.v vkcw dk dm+d ls dm+d irfkj dk igkm+ gs xzsukbv dk igkm+] nqfu;k dk lcls etcwr igkm+] tgk czkg~e.k ril;k djsaxs var rd] oks igkm+ Hkh vk[k+jh fouk k esa fi?ky djds tkus dgk dk dgk pyk tkosxka rks D;ksa ugha le> esa vkrh fglvªh&t;kwxzkqh \ vksj bruh tc xehz gksxh] HkwdEiksa ds vk/kkj ij rks leqnz dk ty [kksysxk ;k ugha [kksysxk \ ckw;y gksus yxsxk vksj lkjh i`foh ij] mrrjh /kzqo vksj nf{k.kh /kqzo ij tks ehykas Å ps cqz ds igkm+ gsa] oks lkjs fi?ky djds dgk vk tkosaxs \ leqnz esa vk tkosaxsa leqnz dk Lrj Å pk mb tk,xk blfy, dgk & ;s cecbz vkfn lc Mwc tkosaxsa rks bruh Hkki mbsxh lkjh nqfu;k esa fd & dbz fnuksa rd ewlyk/kkj cjlkr gksrh jgsxha yxkrkj cjlkr gksus dk fjtyv D;k gksxk \ i`foh dk Vsaijspj,dne uhps fxj tkosxka cqz gh cqz tek gks tkosxha ml cqz ds /khjs&/khjs fi?kyus ij tks tujs ku ckgj vk,xh ] oks tujs ku rks igys dksu&ls ns k esa pysxh \ Hkkjr esaa Hkkjr vfouk kh [k.m gs ] tgk Hkxoku cki vkdj ds izr;{krk :ih tue yssrs gsaa oks [k.m <kbz gt+kj o"kz rd T;w dk R;w jgsxka o`f) dks ikrk jgsxk tecq )hi vksj vk/kk dyi iwjk gksrs gh tc nwljs&nwljs /kez dh vkrek, Åij ls uhps vkuk kq: gksrh gsa] }Sroknh ;qx kq: gksrk gs rks blyke /kez [kam izr;{k gksrk gs] leqnz ds vanj ls vksj blyke /kez [k.m ] vjc [k.m ] výhdk & ;s folrkj dks ik tkrs gsaa Hkkjr ds lkfk&lkfk,d [k.m tqm+ x;ka,sls gh fqj cksf) [k.m egkrek cq) ds vkus ls igys gh rs;kj gks tkrk gsa tsls xhkz esa cppk igys rs;kj gksrk gs uka vkrek ckn esa izos k djrh gs ] ysfdu fi.m igys rs;kj gks tkrk gsa,sls gh Åij ls nwljs /kez dh vkrek, ckn esa vkrh gsa vksj iwohz; /kez [k.m tkiku] phu] b.mksusf k;k] frccr & ;s igys leqnz ls Åij vk tkrs gsaa,sls gh,d&,d djds bzlkbz /kez [k.m] ;ksjksi ] vesfjdk & ;s Hkh Vkbe Vw Åij vk tkrs gsaa rks i`foh folrkj dks ikrh jgrh gsa dfy;qx ds var rd tc rd Hkxoku dk vkxeu gksrk gs] LFkkiuk dk dk;z iwjk gksrk gs] fouk k leiuu gksrk gs] ikyuk dk Qkm.Ms ku yx tkrk gs] rks fqj loz /kez [k.m leqnz esa lek tkrs gsa D;ksafd lkxj dk Lrj gh Åij mb tkrk gsa 2

3 lkxj ds Lrj Åij tkus ls lkjs /kez [k.m tks igys ugha Fks] lr;qx&=srk esa] oks lc yksi gks tkrs gsaa flqz Hkkjr jg tkrk gsa rks T;kWxzkQh le> esa vkbz fd ugha \ A Brother said: The repetition of the geography does not get into my intellect clearly. Baba asked: Why does it not get into your intellect clearly? What does geography mean? The Brother said: Suppose, now a house has been constructed here. Suppose, marble stone is cut and brought from Rajasthan and fitted here. When everything gets destroyed, will this marble also go there? Baba said: When strong Earthquakes will rock the entire world and we know that in Earthquakes, the molten mass/lava situated below (i.e. underground) comes out. Below, the fire that is beneath the earth, the entire stone which is there melts and becomes liquid; it becomes fire. A utensil for example, water boils in it; then what does one atom of water do with another atom? They mix and become one. If one drop, a part of the drop (is added) to it Just as there is red medicine [potassium permanganet] for water, if it is added to water, then what will happen? It will immediately mix with the entire water. Similarly, every atom of the world after passing through the cycle of 5000 years, reaches the same place, from where its cycle started at the beginning of the Golden Age. Now, small Earthquakes have been occuring since the Copper Age. When the last destruction takes place, then the hundreds and thousands of atom bombs that exist; they will explode simultaneously. Just as (the festival of) Diwali is celebrated, isn it? So the children initially ignite crackers in small numbers, they will ignite one cracker, two crackers, four crackers, eight crackers, 10, 20, 15 crackers, they go on igniting; when they feel tired, then what do they do? They set fire to all the crackers at the same time. Similarly, all the atom bombs that exist, they will explode simultaneously. And the mountain of Mount Abu, which is made up of the hardest stone, the mountain of granite, the strongest mountain of the world, where the Brahmins will do tapasya (i.e intense remembrance) till the end, that rock will also melt in the final destruction and it cannot be known where it will go. So, why don't you understand the history and geography? And when so much heat will be generated on the basis of earthquakes, then will the water in the ocean start boiling or not? It will start boiling. And in the entire Earth, the mountains of ice which are several miles in height at the North Pole and at the South Pole, all those [mountains] will melt and where will it reach? They will reach the ocean. The level of the ocean will rise. That is why it has been said that this Bombay, etc. will all be submerged. So much vapour will be generated/formed in the entire world - that it will rain torrentially for many days. What will be the result of continuous rains? The temperature of on the Earth will fall suddenly. Ice and only ice will be formed everywhere. With the slow melting of that ice, the generation (i.e. population) that will emerge; in which country will that generation (i.e. population) exist first of all? In India. India is an imperishable land, where, God the Father comes and takes the birth in the form of revelation. That land will remain as it is for 2500 years. And the [Jambu Dweep] continent will keep expanding. And with the completion of half a Kalpa (i.e years) when the souls belonging to other religions start descending from above, when the dualistic age begins, then the Islamic religious land (dharmakhand) emerges from beneath the ocean and the Islamic religious land, the Arab land, Africa expand. A land mass was added to India. Similarly, before the arrival of Mahatma Buddha, the Buddhist religious land gets ready. For example, the foetus gets ready in the womb beforehand, isn t it? The soul enters later on, but the foetus (pind) gets ready beforehand. Similarly, the souls belonging to other religions come later on, and the Eastern religious lands, Japan, China, Indonesia, Tibet, emerge from the ocean first. Similarly one by one, the Christian religious lands, Europe, America also emerge from time to time. So, the Earth keeps expanding. By the end of the Iron Age, when God arrives, when the task of establishment is accomplished, when the destruction is complete, when 3

4 the foundation for sustenance has been laid, then all the religious lands submerge in the ocean because the very level of ocean rises. With the rise in the level of oceans, all the religious lands which did not exist earlier in the Golden and Silver Age vanish. Only India remains. So, did you understand the geography or not? Kisi Mata nay kaha: Ek mukarrar rath hai, ek temporary rath hai, ek Murli may bola hai ki mai 108 may pravesh kartaa hoon. Iska arth...? Baba nay kaha: Mai jo 108 may pravesh kartaa hoon voh Brahma kee soul interfere karke bol rahee hai. Vaastav may Shiv toh ek may hee mukarrar roop say pravesh kartaa hai. (Mata nay kaha: Mana 108 may jaaney..) 108 may sirf seva karney ke liye jata hai. Kabhi drishti kee seva deta hai, kabhi vacha kee seva deta hai, kabhi vibration kee seva deta hai, bachha samjhaaney vala kamjor hai, himmat karta hai seva karney kee toh Baap usmay pravesh karke madad detey hain lekin bachhey ko pataa nahee chal sakta aur koi ko pataa nahee chal saktaa, ki kab aaya aur kab chalaa gayaa. Isliye koi kah nahee saktaa ki merey andar Bhagwaan Baap kee praveshaaa hui. Isliye na voh mukarrar rath hai aur na temporary rath hai. fdlh ekrkth us iwnk &,d eqdjzj jfk gs],d VsEijjh jfk vksj,d eqjyh esa cksyk fd & esa 108 esa izos'k djrk gw A bldk D;k vfkz gs \ ckck us tokc fn;k & esa tks 108 esa izos'k djrk gw ] oks czg~ek dh lksy bavjfqvj djds cksy jgh gsa oklro esa f'ko rks,d esa gh eqdjzj :i ls izos'k djrk gsa ¼ekrkth us dgk & ekus 108 esa tkus dk eryc------½ 108 esa flqz lsok djus ds fy, tkrk gsa dhkh n`f"v dh lsok nsrk gs] dhkh okpk dh lsok nsrk gs] dhkh ok;czs'ku dh lsok nsrk gs] cppkk le>kus okyk detksj gs] fgeer djrk gs lsok djus dh] rks cki mlesa izos'k djds enn nsrs gsa ysfdu cpps dks irk ugha py ldrk vksj dksbz dks irk ugha py ldrk fd & dc vk;k vksj dc pyk x;ka blfy, dksbz dg ugha ldrk fd & esjs vanj Hkxoku cki dh izos'krk gqbza blfy, oks u eqdjzj jfk gs vksj u VsEijjh jfk gsa A mother asked: One is permanent Chariot; another is temporary Chariot. It has been said in a Murli: I enter 108 [souls]. What does it mean? Baba said: The sentence that "I enter 108" is being spoken by the soul of Brahma interfering (in the Murli). Actually, Shiv enters just one permanent Chariot permanently. (The mother said: so, going in 108 means...) He enters 108 just to do service. Sometimes He does the service through vision, sometimes He does the service through words, and sometimes He does the service through vibrations. If the child who is explaining is weak, but shows courage to do service, then the Father enters him and helps. But the child cannot come to know and nobody can know either as to when He entered and when He departed. That is why nobody can say that the God the Father entered me. That is why they (i.e. the bodies of 108 souls) are neither permanent Chariot nor temporary Chariot. Kisi Bhai nay poocha: Ye hee baat yahaan galat-galat afvaah failaaye huay hain Baba Baba nay kaha: Kya? Bhai nay kaha: ki jaisey boltey thay na Brahma Baba kee soul kay saath interfere kartey thay, press kartey thay, interfere karkey boltey thay apnee baat. Kya Prajapita vali aatma nahee kartaa hoga? Baba nay kaha: Prajapita vali aatma interfere karegi? Jo, jo deh bhaan may hoga voh interfere karega, teacher ban karke padhaai padhaa raha hai, toh us time jo deh abhimaan may hoga ki mai jyada jaanta hoon, voh interfere karega ya jo beejroop aatma hogi voh interfere karegi? 4

5 Kisi nay kaha: Nahee, dehbhaan may.. Baba nay kaha: Jo interfere karney vala hai uskay liye Murli may bola hai, mai is Brahma say baat nahee kartaa hoon, mai tum bachhon say baat kartaa hoon, ye beech may sun leta hai. Beech may suntaa bhi hai aur beech may interfere bhi kartaa hai. Jab mai is say baat hee nahee kartaa hoon, toh ye baat ko mix karega. Toh kaam kaisey sampann karega? Brahma vali aatma may aur Ram vali aatma may vishesh fark kya hai? (Kisi nay kuch kaha) Hm? Kisi mataji nay kaha: Dil aur dimaag Baba nay kaha: Haan, voh aatma hai jadatwamayi buddhi vaali, jaisey Brahma mahtatwa pavitra tatwa toh hai lekin jadatwmayi hai. Aur Ramvali aatma ](Kisi nay kaha- Jad tatwa) Jadatwa tatwa nahee hai. Samajhdaar Baap kay samajhdaar bacahhon may say hai. Joa Baap kee baat ko jhat pakad letey hain. Aur aur doosrey-doosrey dharma kee aatmaen Baap kee baton ko jhat pakad nahee paati. Samajh nahee paati. Chaahey Chandravanshi hon, chaahey Islamvanshi hon, chaahey Bauddhivanshi hon, Christianvanshi hon, vo baad may aaney vali aatmaen hain. Jeetey jee pakki rooh ban-ney vaali aatmaen nahee hain. Sharir chodney kay baad doosron may pravesh karke fir rooh banney ka purushaarth kar paati hai. Vo bhi adhoori rooh ban kay rah jati hai. Sirf Chandravansh kee aatmaaen aisi hain jo 84 janma leney vaali banti hai. Voh direct Baap say varsa nahee leti. Direct Baap say varsa na leney kay kaaran voh Satyug may janma lengi aur devataaon say varsa lengi. Direct baap say varsa nahee leti. Ram- Krishna vali aur Radha-Krishna jaisi joa bhi janma leney vali aatmaen hain. Aur? fdlh HkkbZ us dgk & ;gh ckr ij ;gk ij xyr&xyr vqok, yksx QSyk, gq, gsa ckcka ckck us dgk & D;k\ HkkbZ us dgk & fd tsls cksyrs Fks uk fd & czg~ek ckck dh lksy bavjfqvj djrh FkhA bavjfqvj djds cksyrs Fks dksbz ckra rks D;k iztkfirk okyh vkrek ugha djrk gksxk\ ckck us tokc fn;k & iztkfirk okyh vkrek bavjfqvj djsxh\ tks nsghkku esa gksxk] oks bavjfqvj djsxk] Vhpj i<+kbz i<+k jgk gs] lqizhe lksy Vhpj cu djds i<+kbz i<+k jgk gs] rks ml Vkbe tks nsgvfhkeku esa gksxk fd & esa T;knk tkurk gw ] oks bavjfqvj djsxk ;k tks cht:i vkrek gksxh] oks bavjfqvj djsxh\ ¼ekrkth us dgk & ugha ] nsghkku----½ tks bavjfqvj djus okyk gs] mlds fy, eqjyh esa cksyk gs & esa bl czg~ek ls ckr ugha djrk gw A esa rqe cppksa ls ckr djrk gw ] ;s chp esa lqu ysrk gsa chp esa lqurk Hkh gs vksj chp esa bavjfqvj Hkh djrk gsa tc esa blls ckr gh ugha djrk gw fd & ;s ckr dks fedl djsxk] rks dke dsls laiuu djsxk\ czg~ek okyh vkrek esa vksj jkeokyh vkrek esa fo'ks"k QdZ D;k gs\ ¼ekrkth us dgk & fny vksj fnekx½ g \ ¼ekrkth us dgk & fny vksj fnekx½ gk ] oks vkrek gs tm+roe;h cqf) okyha tsls czg~e egrk~ rroa ifo= rro rks gs ysfdu tm+roe;h gs vksj jkeokyh vkrek tm+ro rro ugha gsa le>nkj cki ds le>nkj cppksa esa ls gs] tks cki dh ckr dks >V idm+ ysrs gsaa vksj&vksj nwljs&nwljs /kez dh vkrek, cki dh ckrksa dks >V idm+ ugha ikrha] le> ugha ikrhaa pkgs panzoa'kh gksa] pkgs blykeoa'kh gksa] pkgs cksf)oa'kh gksa] føf'p;u oa'kh gksaa oks ckn esa vkus okyh vkrek, A thrsth iddh :g cuus okyh vkrek, ugha gsaa 'kjhj NksM+us ds ckn nwljksa esa izos'k djds fqj :g cuus dk iq#"kkfkz dj ikrh gsaa oks Hkh v/kwjh :g cuds jg tkrh gsaa flqz panzoa'k dh vkrek,,slh gsa] tks 84 tue ysus okyh curh gsaa oks MkbjSDV cki ls olkz ugha ysrhaa MkbjSDV cki ls olkz u ysus ds dkj.k oks lr;qx esa tue ysaxh vksj nsorkvksa ls olkz ysaxha MkbjSDV cki ls olkz ugha ysrhaa ¼ekrkth us iwnk & Ñ".k okyh vkrek½ jk/kk&ñ".k okyh vksj jk/kk&ñ".k tslh tks Hkh tue ysus okyh vkrek, gsaa 5

6 A Brother said: People have spread rumours about this issue here. Baba said: What? The Brother said: For example they used to say: the soul of Brahma Baba used to interfere, didn' t they? that he used to interfere and say something. So, would Prajapita's soul not do that? Baba said: Will the soul of Prajapita interfere? Will the one, who is in body consciousness, interfere [or]? The teacher is teaching, the Supreme Soul is teaching as a teacher. So, at that time, will the one, who is in the consciousness of body [thinking] I know better, interfere or will the one, who is a seed-like soul, interfere? Someone said: No, [the one] in bodyconsciousness. Baba said: For the one, who interferes, it has been said in the Murli: I do not talk to this Brahma. I talk to you children. Meanwhile He listens. He listens as well as interferes in the meanwhile. When I do not talk to him at all, he will mix up the matter. So, how will he accomplish the task? What is the main difference between the soul of Brahma and the soul of Ram? (Someone said the heart and the brain). Hm? A mother said: Heart and brain. Baba said: Yes, that soul possesses a non-living/an inert intellect. Just as the Brahm Mahatatwa i. It is a pure element, but it is non-living. And the soul of Ram is not a non-living element; He is one of the intelligent children of the intelligent Father, he is the one who catches the versions of the Father immediately. Other souls belonging to the other religions are unable to catch the versions of the Father immediately, are unable to understand it. Whether they are Chandravanshi (belonging to the Moon Dynasty), whether they are Islamvanshi (belonging to the Islamic Dynasty), whether they are Bauddhivanshi (belonging to the Buddhist Dynasty), whether they are Christianvanshi (belonging to the Christian Dynasty), they are the souls which come later on. They are not the souls which become soul (conscious) in their life time. They are able to make efforts to become soul (conscious) after leaving their body, by entering others. That too they remain as an incomplete soul. It is only the souls belonging to the Moon Dynasty which take 84 births. They do not obtain inheritance from the Father directly. As they do not obtain direct inheritance from the Father, they will take birth in the Golden Age and obtain inheritance from deities. They do not take the inheritance directly from the Father. (A mataji asked- Is it Krishna s soul?) The souls of Radha and Krishna and all the souls who take birth like Radha and Krishna. Kisi Bhai nay poocha: Baba jo Radha bachhi aaya hai, Murli may jo Radha bachhi aaya hai, usmay bhi Shiv kee praveshataa hoti thi kya? Baba nay kaha: Shiv kee praveshataa kee jaroorat tab tak hai, jab tak patit hai, jab patit hee nahee hai, ek second may gyaan sunaa aur ek second may dhaaran kar liya, heela havala kuch bhi nahee kiya. Pattharbuddhi kee baath hee nahee. Jaisey chalaao, vaisay chalaayengey. Poori hee moulding power hai. 6

7 Bhai nay kaha: Aadi may aisi-aisi bachhiyaan thi jo Mama Baba ko bhi drill karaati thi. Baba nay kaha: Haan, ji. Do bachhiyon kee baat kee hai, jinmay say ek may pravesh hota tha, isliye bola das varsh say rahney vala, dhyaan may jaati thi. Das varsh say rahney vala mana Baba, Brahma Baba kay saath das varsh say rah raha tha, dhyaan may jaati thi mana koi mata bhi thi. Unmay Baba pravesh kartey thay. Vani chalaatey thay. Aaj vay hai nahee. Bhai nay kaha: Do mukhh toh ho gayaa Baba. Baba nay kaha: Do mukhh ho gaye, teesra mukhh jo hai, voh Vani chalaaney vala nahe hai. Ek hotey hain bolney vaaley, ek hotey hain bolney vaaley bhi hotey hain karney vaaley bhi hotey hain, karney vaaley bhi hotey hain. Ek hotey hain sirf kartey hain. Na boltey hain; toh teen tarah kay log hotey hain duniya may. Kya? Boltey bhi hain aur kartey bhi hain. Ek hotey hain boltey nahee hain, kartey hain. Aur ek hotey hain sirf boltey hain, na kartey hain, aur na doosron ko karney detey hain. HkkbZ us iwnk & ckck] tks jk/kk cpph vk;k gs] eqjyh esa tks jk/kk cpph vk;k gs ] mlesa Hkh f'ko dh izos'krk gksrh Fkh D;k\ ik p eq[k dsls gksaxs ckck\ ckck us tokc fn;k & f'ko dh izos'krk dh t+:jr rc rd gs] tc rd ifrr gsa tc ifrr gh ugha gs],d lsdum esa Kku lquk vksj,d lsdum esa /kkj.k dj fy;k] fgyk&gokyk dqn Hkh ugha fd;k] irfkjcqf) dh ckr gh ugha] tsls pykvks osls pysaxs] iwjh gh eksfymax ikoj gsa HkkbZ us dgk & ;K ds vkfn esa,slh&,slh cfpp;k Fkha tks eeek&ckck dks Hkh fmªy djkrh Fkha ckck ckck us dgk & gk tha nks cfpp;ksa dh ckr dh gs] ¼th ckck½ ftuesa ls,d esa izos'k gksrk FkkA ¼xhrk ekrk½ blfy, cksyk & nl o"kz ls jgus okyk ] /;ku esa tkrh FkhA 10 o"kz ls jgus okyk ekuk ckck] czg~ek ckck ds lkfk 10 lky ls jg jgk Fkk ] /;ku esa tkrh Fkh ekus dksbz ekrk Hkh FkhA muesa ckck izos'k djrs Fks] ok.kh pykrs FksA vkt os gsa ughaa ¼HkkbZ us dgk & nks eq[k rks oks gks x;s ckck½ nks eq[k gks x;sa rhljk eq[k tks gs] oks ok.kh pykus okyk ugha gsa,d gkssrs gsa cksyus okys],d gksrs gsa cksyus okys Hkh gksrs gsa] djus okys Hkh gksrs gsaa,d gksrs gsa flqz djrs gsa] u cksyrs gsaa rks rhu rjg ds yksx gksrs gsa nqfu;k esaa D;k\ cksyrs Hkh gsa vksj djrs Hkh gsaa,d gksrs gsa & cksyrs ugha gsa] djrs gsa vksj,d gksrs gsa & flqz cksyrs gsaa u djrs gsa vksj u nwljksa dks djus nsrs gsaa A Brother asked: Baba, Radha bachhi, regarding whom it has been mentioned in the Murli, did Shiv enter her too? How will there be five faces (of Brahma)? Baba said: The necessity for entry of Shiv is only until the one (in whom He is to enter) is sinful. When someone is not sinful at all, when, she listens to knowledge and imbibes it in a second, when she did not refuse or say no (heela havala) at all, when there is no question of possessing a stone-like intellect at all. When she is the one who would act in whichever way she is made to act, when she has complete moulding power The Brother asked: There were such children (bachhiyaan, i.e. daughters) in the beginning of the Yagya, who used to make even Mama and Baba perform the drill (of remembrance). Baba said: Yes, two daughters were mentioned; (Shiv) used to enter one of them (someone said Geetamata); that is why it has been said- the one (male) who used to live for ten years, the one (female) who used to go into trance. the one (male) who used to live for ten years means that he lived with Baba, Brahma Baba for ten years. She used to go into trance means that there was a mother too. Baba used to enter them. (He) used to narrate the vani. Today they are not 7

8 present. The Brother said: They became the two heads. Baba said: They become the two heads. The third head is not the one who narrates Vani. One kind [of people] is those who just speak; another kind [of people] is those who speak as well as do. Another kind [of people] is such that they just do. They do not speak. So there are three kinds of people in the world. What? (One kind of people who) speak as well as act. One kind of people is those who do not speak, but act. And one kind of souls is those who only speak; they neither act themselves nor allow others to act. Bhai nay kaha: Baba, Trimurti may teesri moorty kay dwara bhi Vishnu tan dwara gyaan chalegi na. Baba nay kaha: Hm? Bhai nay kaha: Trimurti may teesri moorty hogi, unkay dwara bhi toh ye gyaan chalegi na. Jinkay liye Baba nay bola parivartan kee gyaan hogi. Baba nay kaha: Jab Brahma so Vishnu ban sakta hai. Brahma mana Krishna kee soul Vishnu ban sakti hai toh Ram vali soul Vishnu nahee banegi us samay? Hm? Banegi ya nahee banegi. Banegi. Toh jab Ram vali soul jo hai Narayan 16 kalaa sampoorna ya 16 kalaa sampoorna say bhi oopar kee stage dhaaran kar saktee hai. Toh voh Narayan uskee buddhi may nahee samaa jaayega? Bhai nay poocha: Kiski buddhi may? Baba nay kaha: Lakshmi ki buddhi may. Lakshmi kee buddhi may jo Shankar Narayan ka roop dhaaran kar leta hai, aur Narayan banke Shiv samaan ban gayaa, Shiv ka naam Shankar kay saath joad diya gayaa, toh Shiv hee ho gayaa na. Toh dil aur dimaag may uskay pravesh nahee kar saktaa? Jaisey kanya hoti hai, kanya kee sagaai ho jaati hai, shaadi ho jaati hai, uskay dil aur dimaag may kaun raman kartaa hai? Pati hee raman kartaa hai. Toh Shiv ko pravesh karney kee darkaar hai fir? Ya jo Baap samaan bachha ban chukka voh hee saara kaarya karega (sic) karaayega? Shiv-Shaktiyaan jo gaayi huin hain voh saakar may gaayi hui hain ya niraakaar may? Shiv bhi saakaar aur shaktiyaan bhi saakaar. Bhai nay kaha: Vo hee gyaan Brahmanon ko parivartan bhi laayega. Baba nay kaha: Vo hee gyaan parivartan bhi layega. fdlh HkkbZ us iwnk & ckck] f=ewfrz esa rhljh ewfrz ds }kjk Hkh lqizhe lksy ds }kjk Kku pysxh uk\ ckck us dgk & g \ HkkbZ us iwnk & f=ewfrz esa tks rhljh ewfrz gksxh] muds }kjk Hkh rks ;s Kku pysxh uk] ftls ckck us cksyk gs & ifjorzu dk Kku gksxk\ ckck us tokc fn;k & tc czg~ek lks fo".kq cu ldrk gs] czg~ek ekuk Ñ".k dh lksy fo".kq cu ldrh gs] rks jke okyh lsky fo".kq ugha cusxh] ml le;\ g \ cusxh ;k ugha cusxh\ ¼lHkh us dgk &cusxh½ cusxha rks tc jke okyh lksy tks gs] ukjk;.k 16 dyk laiw.kz ;k 16 dyk laiw.kz ls Hkh Åij dh LVst /kkj.k dj ldrh gs] rks oks ukjk;.k mldh cqf) esa ugha 8

9 lek tk,xk\ fdldh cqf) esa\ y{eh dh cqf) esaa y{eh dh cqf) esa tks 'kadj ukjk;.k dk :i /kkj.k dj ysrk gs vksj ukjk;.k cuds f'ko leku cu x;k] f'ko dk uke 'kadj ds lkfk tksm+ fn;k x;k] rks f'ko gh gks x;k uka rks fny vksj fnekx esa mlds izos'k ugha dj ldrk\ tsls du;k gksrh gs ] du;k dh lxkbz gks tkrh gs] 'kknh gks tkrh gs] mlds fny vksj fnekx esa dksu je.k djrk gs\ ifr gh je.k djrk gsa rks f'ko dks izos'k djus dh njdkj gs fqj\ ¼fdlh us dgk & ugha½ ;k tks cki leku cppk cu pqdk] oks gh lkjk dk;z djsxk] djk;sxk\ f'ko'kfdr;k tks xk;h gqbz gsa] oks lkdkj esa xk;h gqbz gsa ;k fujkdkj esa\ f'ko Hkh lkdkj vksj 'kfdr;k Hkh lkdkja HkkbZ us iwnk & oks gh Kku czkg~e.kksa dks ifjorzu esa yk,xka ckck us dgk & oks gh Kku ifjorzu esa yk,xka A Brother said: Baba, knowledge will be narrated by Supreme Soul also through the third personality among Trimurti, i.e. through Vishnu s body, won t it? Baba said: Hm? The Brother said: This knowledge will be narrated also through the third personality among the Trimurti, for which Baba has said it will be the knowledge of transformation. Baba said: When Brahma can become Vishnu; when Brahma, i.e. the soul of Krishna can become Vishnu, then will the soul of Ram not become Vishnu at that time? Hm? Will it become or not? [Everyone said-it will become] It will become. So, when the soul of Ram can imbibe the stage of Narayan, the one who is perfect in 16 celestial degrees or a stage higher than 16 celestial degrees, so, will that Narayan not merge in her intellect? In whose intellect? Baba said: In the intellect of Lakshmi. Shankar, who assumes the form of Narayan, and after becoming Narayan he becomes equal to Shiv; Shiv s name is added before Shankar, so he has himself become like Shiv, hasn t he? So, can t he enter her heart and intellect? For example there is a virgin, the virgin gets engaged, gets married, then who wanders in her heart and intellect? Just the husband wanders. Then, is there any necessity for Shiv to enter? [Some one said no] Or will the child, who has become equal to the Father, perform all the tasks or enable the tasks to be performed? The Shiv Shaktis, who are praised, are they praised in corporeal form or in an incorporeal form? Shiv is corporeal as well as the Shaktis are corporeal. The Brother said: That knowledge itself will bring about the transformation of Brahmins. Baba said: That knowledge itself will bring about transformation. Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation. i the all pervading spirit of the unverse, the supreme abode 9