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1 okrkzyki&527 flgksj&2 ¼e/; izns k½ rkfj[k& Disc.CD No. 527, dated at Sehore-2 (Madhya Pradesh) Disc.CD No.527 Sehore 14-03&10-39 ftkklq& ckck fgj.;kd ;Ik vksj izgykn vksj gksfydk] bldks igpkuus ds fy;s D;k IokbaV gs ckck\ ckck& gksfydk dksu gs\ tks fodkjksa dh gksyh tykusokyh gsa ml fodkjksa dh gksyh esa ;s eku;rk gs tks Hkh csbsxk oks ty tk;sxka ;gh eku;rk Fkh uk\ ysfdu ml gksfydk dh xksnh esa izgykn csbka gksfydk ty xbz vksj izgykn cp x;ka mldk uke j[kk x;k izgykna vgykn ekuk [kq kh] iz ekuk izd V :isua ftugksaus izd V :i ls [kq kh nh lalkj dksa tsls d`.k ds fy, fn[kkrs gsa lkr fo/kehz ukjk;.k tsls cpps] d`.k tsls cpps dal dh tsy esa dksl fy, x;s ekuk fodkjh cu x;s] O;fHkpkjh cu x;s vksj d`.k cp x;ka tsy esa tkrs gq, Hkh D;k gqvk\ tsy esa isnk gksrs gq, Hkh fjtyv D;k gqvk\ cp x;ka,sls gh izgykn dh ckr fn[kkbz gsa Time: Student: Baba, by which point can we recognize (i.e. understand) [the part of] Hiranyakashyap, Prahlad and Holika? Baba: Who is Holika? [She is] the one who burns the holi (bonfire) of vices. It is believed that whoever sits in that holi of vices will burn. This was the belief, wasn t it? But Prahlad sat in the lap of that Holika. Holika was burnt and Prahlad was saved. He was named Prahlad. Ahlad means happiness; pra means prakashth roopen (in the best way). [He is] the one who gave happiness to the world in the best way. For example, it is shown for Krishna that seven vidharmi 1 Narayan-like children, Krishna-like children were killed in the jail of Kansa, i.e. they became vicious, they became adulterous and Krishna was saved. Despite going to jail what happened? Despite being born in a jail what was the result? He was saved. Similarly, the story of Prahlad has been told. ftkklq& ckck fgj.;d ;i ckck& fgj.;d ;Ik oks gqvk tks izgykn dk fojks/k djrk gsa tks Hkxoku dk ikvz gs ml ikvz dk tks fojks/k djusokys gsa vksj l[r fojks/k djusokys( dksbz FkksM+k fojks/k djusokys gksrs gsa vksj dksbz tcjnlrk fojks/kh gksrs gsaa bl bz ojh; Kku ds tcjnlr fojks/kh dksu gsa\ lu;klha tks viu dks f koksge~ dgds csbrs gsa oks lu;klh mudks cksyk gs fgj.;d ;IkA Hkkjr dh tks vpnh&2 lksus tslh ikvz ctkusokyh vkrek;sa gsa mudks viuk Hkxr cuk ds csbrs gsaa fgj.; ekuk lksuka lksus tslh lpph vkrekvksa ds rst dks ihusokys gsaa dk ; ekuk rst] i ekuk ihusokyka vksj Hkxoku dks D;k feyrk gs\ Hkxoku tc vkrs gsa rc muds fy, xk;u curk gs ^^feys uk Qwy rks dk Vksa ls nkslrh dj yh** mudks dk Vs feyrs gsa vksj mudks lpps&2 HkDr fey tkrs gsaa ftkklq& fgj.;d ;Ik dgs ;k dalh&tjkfla/kh,d gh ckr gs\ ckck& tks Hkh uke gsa oks fdl le; ds uke gsa\ ftkklq& laxe;qx dsa ckck& laxe;qx dsa fgj.;d ;i dh dfkk lr;qx esa fn[kk nh] dal dh dfkk }kij dh fn[kk nh] jko.k dh dfkk =srk esa fn[kk nha ysfdu oklro esa gs dgk dh dfkk;sa\ laxe;qx dh ckrs gsaa uke vyx&2 ns fn;s gsa dke rks ogh vklqjh fn[kk;s gsaa 1 Those who follow a religion opposite to the Father s religion 1

2 Student: Baba, Hiranyakashyap... Baba: Hiranyakashyap is the one who opposes Prahlad. Those who oppose the part of God and oppose it strongly; some oppose less and some are strong opposers. Who are the srongest opponents of this knowledge of God? The Sanyasis, who call themselves Shivoham (I am Shiv). Those sanyasis have been named Hiranyakashyap. They make the nice souls of India which play a part like gold, their devotees. Hiranya means gold. They drink the vigour of the gold-like true souls. Kashya means tej (vigour/energy) and pa means the one who drinks. And what does God get? When God comes, it is sung for him when I did not get flowers, I befriended the thorns (Mile na phool to kaanto se dosti kar li). He (God) gets thorns and they (i.e. the Sanyasis) get true devotees. Student: Whether we say Hiranyakashyap or Kansi-Jarasindhi; is it one and the same? Baba: All the names pertain to which time? Student: To the Confluence Age. Baba: To the Confluence Age. Hiranyakashyap s story has been shown [to have taken place] in the Golden Age; Kansa s story was shown in the Copper Age. Ravan s story was shown in the Silver Age. But actually, these are stories of when? These are the subjects of the Confluence Age. Different names have been given but the tasks are the same demoniac ones &19-03 ftkklq& ckck eqjyh esa cksyk gqvk gs fd izd`fr ds eryc tks,d&2 rro gs tgk ds rgk 5000 o kz ckn ig qp tk;saxsa rks tsls fd ckck& rro ugha ig qp tk;saxs&2a rro ds tks v.kq&2 gs oks tgk ls v.kq kq: gqvk gs ogha igq psxka ftkklq& rks tsls fd varfj{k esa dbz pht+sa j[kh gqbz gsa rks eryc dsls\ ckck& varfj{k esa eq[; rks ;s 7&8&9 xzg gsaa ;s uks xzg tc vk[kjh fouk k gksxk rks Vdjk;saxs ;k ugha Vdjk;saxs\ Vdkjk;saxsA Vdjkds tks cm+s esa cm+k gksxk T;knk ikwojqqy ogh cpsxk fd lc /kezokys cp tk;saxs /kezfirk;sa\ ftkklq& ughaa ckck& lkjs Vdjk&2 ds [kykl gks tk;sasxs] vius vflrro dks [kykl dj nsaxsa Time: Student: Baba, it has been said in a Murli that each element of the nature will reach the same place after 5000 years. So, just as.. Baba: The elements will not reach. The elements will not reach. Every atom of the element; from whichever place the atom has started its journey; it will reach the same place. Student: So, for example, many things exist in the universe; so I mean to ask how? Baba: In the universe the mainly there are these 7, 8, 9 planets. When the final destruction takes place, will these nine planets clash or not? They will clash. After clashing, the biggest and the most powerful one will survive, or will the followers of all the religions, will all the religious fathers survive? Student: No. Baba: And all of them will clash and perish. They will end their existence &21-45 ftkklq& ckck tsls ;s lk/kq lar jgrs gsa buds eafnj ;k dqn cuk;s jgrs gsa rks oks muds ejus ds ckn Hkh muds HkDr yksx jgrs gsa] iwtk djrs gsa] dqn Hkh djrs gsa rks mudh bpnk;sa iwfrz dsls gksrh gs\ 2

3 ckck& fdudh bpnk iwfrz dslh gksrh gs\ ftkklq& tks iwtk djrs gsa dksbz yksx eryc tks ejrs gsaa ckck& dgrs gs fo okle~ Qy nk;de~a ftldk tgk fo okl] J)k csbh gqbz gs] lkfrod J)k gs rks oks QyhHkwr gks tkrh gsa ckdh,sls ugha gs mu lk/kq&lar&egkrekvksa us mudh bpnk iwjh dj nha ughaa muds vius iwoztueksa dk fglkc&fdrkc gs oks mtkxkj gqvk blfy, mudh bpnk iwfrz gks tkrh gsa,sls ugha gksrk gs fd dez dksbz vksj djs vksj Qy dksbz vksj ns nsa vius&2 fd;s gq, deksza ds vk/kkj ij gh deksza dk Qy feyrk gsa dksbz nwljk fdlh dks Qy ugha ns ldrka ;s flqz dgk tkrk gs fd bldks ojnku fey x;k] bldks vfhk kki fey x;k] bldks vk kh k ns nh] vk khokzn fey x;k rc cppk isnk gqvk] iq=oku Hko] vk;q eku HkoA ;s vius iwoztueksa dk fglkc&fdrkc gs ;k mlds dg nsus ls gqvk\ iwoztueksa dk fglkc&fdrkc gksrk gsa Time: Student: Baba, for example, there are sages and saints; they build temples, etc.; so, even after they die, when their devotees worship them or do whatever; how are their wishes fulfilled? Baba: Whose wishes are fulfilled? Student: some people worship those who have died. Baba: It is said vishwaasam fal daayakam (faith bears fruits). Someone may have faith on any thing; if the faith is pure, it becomes fruitful. As for the rest, it is not that those sages and saints have fulfilled their wishes. No. The karmic account of their past births emerges; this is why their wish is fulfilled. It is not that someone performs actions and someone else gives fruits. Someone receives fruits of the actions on the basis of his actions. Nobody else can give fruits to anyone else. It is just said that this one got a boon, that one was cursed; a child was born when this one received blessings. Putravaan bhav (may you bear a son), aayushmaan bhav (may you live long). Is this a karmic account of somone s past births or did it happen just by his words? It is a karmic account of the past births &23-20 ftkklq& ckck dkyh dsls fouk k djsxh\ ekuk vk/kkj D;k gs fouk k dk\ ckck& bai;ksfjvh ls gksrk gs fouk k] O;fHkpkj ls gksrk gs fouk k vksj ifo=rk ls gksrh gs LFkkiukA y{eh vkrh gs rks LFkkiuk djrh gs vksj egkdkyh ds }kjk gksrk gs fouk ka blfy, nks nsfo;k xkbz gqbz gsaa,d gs ekalkgkjh vksj nwljh\ kkdkgkjha Time: Student: Baba, how will Kali bring destruction? I mean to ask, what is the basis of destruction? Baba: Impurity brings destruction; adultery causes destruction and purity brings about establishment. When Lakshmi comes, she brings about establishment and Mahakali brings destruction. This is why two devis (female deities) are famous; one is non-vegetarian (maansahari) and the second one? Vegetarian (shakahari) &24-15 ftkklq& xhrk dh 108 fviif.k;k A ckck& xhrk ds 108 Vhdk;sa] 108 O;k[;k;saA gk ] cksyksa ftkklq& oks D;ksa gsa\ ckck& D;ksa gsa\ vjs] Kkuh rw vkrek;sa fdruh gsa :nzekyk esa\ ftkklq& 108A 3

4 ckck& rks ftruh Kkuh rw vkrek;sa gsa oks viuk&2 Kku ugha c?kkjsaxh\ c?kkjsaxh fd ugha\ tks Kkuh rw vkrek;sa lc,d tslh Kkuh gsa ;k uecjokj gsa\ uecjokj gsaa rks tsls&2 Kkuh gsa oslk&2 viuk Kku c?kkjrs gsaa Time: Student: 108 commentaries of the Gita. Baba: 108 commentaries of the Gita; 108 clarifications; yes, speak up. Student: Why do they exist? Baba: Why do they exist? Arey, how many knowledgeable souls exist in the Rudramala (the rosary of Rudra)? Student: 108. Baba: So, will the knowledgeable souls not show-off their knowledge? Will they show-off or not? Are all the knowledgeable souls equally knowledgeable or are they numberwise (according to their capacity)? They are numberwise. So, they show-off their knowledge to the extent they are knowledgeable &26-40 ftkklq& ckck,d;wjsv ;kn dksulh dgh tkosxh\ eryc tks ges kk jgs vksj lcls vpnh gksa ckck&,d;wjsv ;kn crk rks nha ftkklq& lkdkj esa fujkdkj dks ;kn djuka ckck& oks fujkdkj fdl lkdkj esa izos k djrk gs ;s fu p;kred cqf) ds }kjk igpku ysuk] tku ysuka tku ekuk KkuA tkuuk ekuk D;k gs\ tkuuk ekuk KkuA D;k tkuuk\ fd oks fujkdkj T;ksfrfcanq tks lc vkrekvksa dk cki gs oks dksuls eqdjzj jfk esa ikvz ctk, jgk gs\ dksu oks lkdkj gs\ dksu ghjks ikvz/kkjh gs ftlesa oks t+hjks eqdjzj :i ls ikvz ctkrk gs\ tc ;s tku fy;k iddk&2 rks iq: kkfkz vpnk gksxk ;k [kjkc gksxk\ vpnk gh gksxka fu p;cqf) gksdj ds iq: kkfkz fd;ka ftruk fu p;cqf) rks la k; vkrek fou ;Urs] fu p; cqf) fot;rsa ftkklq& Kku ds IokbUV dks euu&fparu djuk oks nwljsa uecj dk gs\ ckck& lcls cm+k Kku dksulk gs\ ftkklq& cki dks tkuuka ckck& lcls cm+k Kku fdl ckr dk\ ftkklq& cki dks igpkuka ckck& igys&2 tc dkslz nsrs gsa rks dksulh ckr fo ks k igys le>kuh gs\ vjs! ftkklq& cki dk ifjp;a ckck& cki dk ifjp;a Time: Student: Baba, what is said to be accurate remembrance? I mean the one which remains constant and is the best one. Baba: The accurate remembrance has already been described. Student: Remembering the incorporeal within the corporeal. Baba: To recognize and know through a firm faithful intellect which corporeal does the incorporeal enter. To know means knowledge. What is meant by knowing? Knowing means knowledge. Knowing what? [To know] the permanent chariot in which, the Incorporeal point of light who is the Father of all the souls is playing a part. Who is that corporeal one? Who is that hero actor in which the zero (i.e. the Incorporeal Father) plays a part in a permanent 4

5 form? When someone knows this firmly, will he make good purusharth (spiritual effort) or bad purusharth? He will make good purusharth only. He made purusharth with a faithful intellect. The more faith someone has in the intellect..., then the one who has doubt will be destroyed and the one who has a faithful intellect will be victorious. Student: Thinking and churning about the points of knowledge, is this the secondary remembrance? Baba: Which is the biggest knowledge? Student: To know the Father. Baba: The highest knowledge is about what? Student: To recognize the Father. Baba: When you first of all give course to someone, on which topic should you especially explain first of all? Arey! Student: The introduction of the Father. Baba: The introduction of the Father. 2-30&3-45 ftkklq& ckck lp rks fcbks up dk D;k eryc\ ckck& ftuesa lppkbz gksrh gs] lppkbz ds lkfk lqkbz gksrh gs oks vkrek;sa laxe;qx esa lnso ukprh jgsaxh] MkUl djrh jgsaxh [kq kh dk D;kasfd cki ds lkeus fny [kksydj ds j[k nsrh gsa u ru ds deksza dk dksbz Nqiko&nqjko] u /ku ds iksrkesy dk dksbz fniko&nqjko] u ru ds tks laca/kh gs mu lacaf/k;ksa ls D;k fglkc&fdrkc pyrk gs vksj dslk uhpk&å pk fglkc&fdrkc pyrk gs mldk Hkh dksbz Nqiko&nqjko ughaa dqn Hkh cki ds lkeus Nqikusokys ugha gsa fcydqy uaxh gksdj ds jgrh gs cki ds lkeusa mudh vkrek lp rks fcbks up ;k dqm+eqm+k;sxh vanj\ fcydqy ukpsaxh D;ksafd viuh lkjh fteesokjh cki dks ns nsrs gsaa Time: Student: Baba, what is meant by sach toh bitho nach? Baba: Those who are truthful, those who are clean along with being truthful, such souls will always keep dancing in the Confluence Age; they will keep dancing in happiness because they open their heart in front of the Father. Neither do they hide or conceal anything about the actions performed through the body, nor do they hide or conceal anything about the potamail of the wealth, nor do they hide or conceal anything about the relatives of the body and the karmic account with those relatives whether it is low or high. They do not hide anything from the Father. They remain completely naked in front of the Father. Will their soul dance because of being truthful or will they be unhappy inside? They will certainly dance because they give their entire responsibility to the Father. 3-50&7-05 ftkklq& ckck] cki vkdkjh cuk] vkdkjh ls fujkdkjh cuk vc fqj lkdkjh cusaxsa rks ;s uecjokj cppksa ds fy;s dgk gqvk gs ;k cki ds fy;s dgk\ ckck& lc uecjokj cpps Hkh gsaa cki lkdkjh ls vkdkjh] vkdkjh ls fujkdkjh fqj lkdkj cusxka 1936 esa cki dslk Fkk\ lkdkjh FkkA lkdkjh ls vkdkjh cuk] dc\ cki lkdkjh ls vkdkjh dc cuk\ 69 ds ckna Kku esa vk;k ekuk vkdkjh cuka vkus ek= ls gh vkdkjh cuk x;ka vkdkjh ls fujkdkjha fujkdkjh dc ls\ 77 cki dk leiw.kzrk o kz euk;k x;ka ekuk oks izsfdvl iddh gksus yxh fd tc pkgs rc fujkdkjh LVst esa fvduk] fuladyih LVst esa fvduk vksj ftruh nsj pkgs mruk fvds vksj dez esa tc vkuk pkgs rks dez esa 5

6 vk;sa,d lsds.m esa lkdkjh],d lsds.m esa fujkdkjh],d lsds.m esa vkdkjh,slh LVst gqbz rks mldks dgsaxs fujkdkjh cuka vksj fqj lkdkj dc cusxk\ fqj lkdkj cusxka,slk lkdkj cusxk fd tks Hkh lkdkjh LVst esa jgusokyh vkrek;sa pkgs dslh Hkh ifrr D;ksa u gks leidz&lalxz esa vkus ek= ls gh Å ph LVst dk vuqhko djsxha tks ikjlukfk dk xk;u gsa ikjl irfkj dk xk;u gs tks utnhd vk;k ogh ifjorzu gqvka vhkh,slk ugha gsa ysfdu,slk Hkh le; vkosxk],slk Hkh lkdkjh bl izsfdvdy nqfu;k esa vuqhko gksxk tks ys kek= lalxz esa vkus ek= ls gh cgqr [kq kh eglwl djsaxsa vhkh&2 dksbz vkrek;sa ;s eglwl djrh gsa fd vxj Qksu ls Hkh dusd ku gks tkrk gs rks nqfu;knkjh lkjh Hkwy tkrh gsaa bruh [kq kh esa vk tkrs gsaa Time: Student: Baba, the Father became aakari (subtle), then he changed from aakaari to niraakaari (incorporeal) and then he will become saakaari (corporeal) again now. So, has it been said for numberwise children or for the Father? Baba: There are numberwise children too. The Father changed from corporeal to subtle, from subtle to incorporeal and then he will become corporeal once again. How was the Father in 1936? He was corporeal. He changed from corporeal to subtle; when? When did the Father change from corporeal to subtle? After 69. He entered the path of knowledge; it means he became subtle. He became subtle just by entering (the path of knowledge). Subtle to incorporeal. Incorporeal since when? The year 77 was celebrated as the year of perfection of the Father. It means that the practice of becoming constant in incorporeal stage, thoughtless stage whenever he wishes and remaining constant [in that stage] as long as he wishes and then coming to the stage of actions whenever he wishes started becoming firm. Corporeal in a second; incorporeal in a second; subtle in a second; when he achieved such a stage, he will be said to have become incorporeal. And when will he become corporeal? He will become corporeal again. He will become corporeal in such a way that all the souls living in a corporeal stage, they may be sinful to whatever extent; they will experience a high stage just by coming in contact with him which is famous about Parasnath. It is famous about the Paras patthar (the philosopher s stone) that whoever came close (to it) changed. Now it is not so. But one such time will also come, such a corporeal form (of the Father) will also be experienced in a practical form in the world that they will experience a lot of happiness just by coming in contact even for a fraction of time. Even now some souls experience that if there is connection (with the Father) even through the phone, they forget the worldly affairs completely. They become so happy. ftkklq& ckck] tslk ckck dk ikvz pyk osls dgha cpps gksaxs uka tsls ckck dk vkdkjh volfkk] fujkdkjh volfkk osls cpps Hkh pyrs gksaxs dksbz\ ckck& fcydqy pysxka ftkklq& v Vnso gsa D;k oks\ ckck& v Vnso ugha] 108 ugha gksaxs\ tc dqekjdk nknh ds fy, muds QkyksvlZ vuqhko dj ldrs gsa fd nknh dk Qksu vkrk gs rks tsls mugsa Hkxoku feyk x;ka oks rks vk/kkjewrksza dh ckr gs] tm+ksa dh ckr gsa tm+ksa esa rks mruh ikwoj Hkh ugha gksrh rks cht esa fdruh ikwoj gksxh\ Time: Baba, just as Baba played a part, there must be some children too, musn t there? Just as Baba achieves the subtle stage, incorporeal stage, there must be some children who have a similar experience, too. Baba: Certainly. 6

7 Student: Are they the eight deities? Baba: Not just the eight deities; will the 108 not be like this? When the followers of Kumarka Dadi can expierence that when they receive a phone call from Dadi they feel as if they found God; that is about the aadhaarmoorts (base-like souls ); it is about the roots. The roots do not have that much power; so, how powerful must be the seeds! 7-20&9-15 ftkklq& ckck] tks yksx fu p; iwozd HkV~Bh dj ds dqn le; fqj ;K ls nwj jgsa fqj ;K esa vkuk pkgs rks vk ldrs gsa\ ckck ds lkeus laxbu esa\ ckck& ekuk Dykl djuk NksM+ fn;ka igys cki ds cpps cudj ds jgs] ifjokj esa jgs] jkst Dykl djrs jgs] LVqMsUM cu ds jgs jsx;wyj vksj ckn esa fm+ldusdv gks x;s rks muds fy, ekqhukek ugha gksrk gs D;k\ vjs] Hkxoku ds?kj esa Hkh txg ugha feysxh rks nqfu;k esa dgk feysxh\ Hkxoku Hkh ;s ns[krk gs ;s rks egkikih gs] bldks ge ugha lahkky ugha ik;saxs\ ns[krk gs\ ughaa ftkklq& rks bldks fqj HkV~Bh djus ims+xh ckck\ ckck& nqckjk HkV~Bh djs] ekqhukek fy[ksa vksj vk tk;saa cki rks fqj Hkh cksyk gqvk gs,d ckj ekq] nks ckj ekq] cgqr esa cgqr dj ds rhu ckj ekq fqj ugha ekq gksxka Time: Student: Baba, some people did bhatti with faith and then remained away from the yagya for some time. If they wish to come to the yagya once again, can they come? In front of Baba in a gathering? Baba: It means that they have stopped doing class. Initially they remained as the Father s children, they remained in the family, they continued to attend classes everyday, they remained a regular student and later became disconnected; so, isn t there the mafinama (letter of apology) for them? Arey, if they do not get place in God s home, where will they get place? Does God also see that this one is very sinful; I cannot handle him? Does He see [in that way]? No. Student: So, will he have to do bhatti once again Baba? Baba: He should do bhatti once again; give a letter of apology and come. It has been said that the Father will pardon once, twice and at the most thrice; he will not be pardoned after that. ftkklq& ckck] ckck dgrs gs iqjkuksa dks mbkvks rks iqjkuksa dks ;s ckr tkds le>k;sasxs vksj oks ekusaxs oks cksysaxs ge rks ekqh ysvj ;s lc ge nsaxs ughaa M+k;jsDV vkuk gs rks vk tk;saxsa ckck& oks dqn Hkh dgsaa tks O;fDr viuh xyrh dks ugha ekurk gs oks lq/kjus ds jklrs ij ugha gsa xyrh dks,glkl djrk gs vksj viuh xyrh lcds lkeus Lohdkj djuh dh fgeer j[krk gs bldk eryc oks viuh xyrh dks fujkdj.k djus ds LVst ij gsa xyrh dks ekurk gh ugha] Lohdkj gh ugha djrk oks fqj vkxs pydj gekjk nq eu cu tk;sxka Student: Baba! Baba says that we should uplift the old students; so if we go and explain these things to the old ones and if they accept it and if they say that they will not give the letter of apology. (They say :) we will come directly if we are allowed to do so. Baba: No matter what they say; if a person does not accept his mistake he is not on the way to reform. If he realizes his mistake and shows the courage to accept his mistake in front of everyone, it means that he is on the stage of solving his mistake. If he does not accept his mistake at all, if he does not accept it at all, then he will become our enemy in future. 7

8 9-35&18-35 ftkklq& ckck Hkxoku dks loz kfdroku dgrs gsa vksj ek;k dks Hkh loz kfdroku dgrs gsaa rks ;s nks&nks kfdroku dsls bdv~bs gks tk;saxs\ ckck& ek;k cqjs jklrs ij ys tkus esa loz kfdroku gs vksj cki vpns jklrs ij ys tkus ds fy, loz kfdroku gsa ek;k nq[k dh nqfu;k esa] jksjo udz esa ys tkus ds fy, loz kfdroku gs vksj cki\ cki lq[k dh nqfu;k esa ys tkus ds fy, loz kfdroku gsa rks varj ugha ekywe im+ jgk gs\ ftkklq& rks,slk cksyk gs fd ek;k igys ljs.m+j gksxh cki ds lkeusa ckck& ek;k tc ljsum+j gks tk;sxh rks oks Hkh lq[k dh nqfu;k esa tk;sxh ysfdu tks igys ljs.m+j gks tk;s vksj var rd fuhkk;s mldk dqn fo ks k fgllk ugha cusxk\ Time: Student: Baba, God is called Almighty (Sarvashaktivan) and Maya is also called almighty. So, how can there be two almighty beings simultaneously? Baba: Maya is almighty in taking you on the bad path and the Father is Almighty in taking you on the good path. Maya is almighty in taking you to the world of sorrow, to raurav narak (the horrible hell). And the Father? The Father is Almighty in taking you to the world of happiness. So, don t you understand the difference? Student: So, it has been said that first of all Maya will surrender to the Father. Baba: When Maya surrenders, she will also go to the world of happiness, but won t the one who surrenders first of all and maintains the relationship till the end get a special share? ftkklq&,m+okul esa ckck cgqr lkjs,sls cpps gsa tks ckck dss lkfk vkfn ls ;K esa gsaa vkfn lsa ek;k tks gs] vkt ljs.m+j vxj gqbz gs] vkt ljs.m+j gks jgh gs vksj oks fqj Hkh oks tks iqjkus gsa muds eqdkcys oks Hkh mruk gdnkj cu jgh gs\ ckck& iqjkus esa iqjkuk dksu gsa\ iqjkus esa iqjkus gsa tks lkjh euq ; l`f V ds firj gsaa ftkklq& v VnsoA ckck& mudh igpku D;k gksxh\ oks tc ls gh Kku esa vk;s gksaxs ;k csfld esa vk;s gksaxs ;k fd,m+okul esa vk;s gksaxs vkfn ls gh ysdj var rd cki ls tqms+ jgdj ds ikvz ctkusokys gksaxsa okpk ls Hkh foijhr tkusokys ugha] ok;czs ku ls Hkh foijhr tkusokys ugha vksj deszfunz;ksa ls Hkh foijhr dez djus okys ugha gksaxs vksj ek;k\ ek;k rks lkjk gh myvk djrh gsa gk ] cqf) ls igys ljs.m+j gks tkrh gsa bruh lppkkbz gsa ftkklq& cqf) ls dc\ ckck& vkf[kj esaa tc lc cqf) ls ijklr gks tkrs gsa] lc vfu p; cqf) gks tkrs gsa rc [kqn vius dks vkxs ljs.m+j dj nsrh gsa vjs] lkjs Qsy gksaxs fd ugha gksaxs\ Student: Baba, there are many children like this in the advance (party) who have been with Baba from the beginning of the yagya. [They are there] since the beginning. [Whereas] Maya, if she surrenders today, suppose she is surrendering today and yet is she becoming entitled to the same extent that the old ones have become? Baba: Who is the oldest among the old ones? The ancestors of the entire human world are the oldest ones. Student: The eight deities. Baba: What will be their indication? Ever since they entered the path of knowledge, or the basic knowledge or the advance knowledge, they will be the ones who will have played a part being attached with the Father from the beginning to the end. They will not oppose through words, through vibrations, they will not act in an opposite way through the bodily organs 8

9 either and Maya? Maya acts in a completely opposite way. Yes, she surrenders through the intellect first. She has truthfulness to this extent. Student: When [does she surrender] through the intellect? Baba: At the end. When everyone accepts defeat through the intellect, when everyone loses faith, then she surrenders herself before the Father. Arey, will everyone fail or not? ftkklq& ckck tc 8 dks crk;k fd oks var rd tks gs lkfk nsrs gsaa ckck& gk ] oks 8 Hkh yklv esa Qsy gksrs gsaa vk[kjh tue esa Qsy ugha gksrs\ vk[kjh tks QkbZuy isij gksxk mlesa ek;k lcdks M+kmu djsxh rc rks uecj cusaxs 1] 2] 3] 8A ;s 8 ds uecj dsls cusaxs\ vjs] ftkklq& detksjha ckck& detksjh ekuk ek;ka ek;k ls izhkkfor gksuk ekuk uhpk uecj tkuka rks ek;k ikwojqqy gqbz ;k oks cpps tks v Vnso dh fylv esa vkusokys 7 cpps gs] oks ikwojqqy gq,\ ek;k ikwojqqy gks xbza ftkklq& vksj ek;k oks-yklv esa eu&cqf) dks ckck& gk ] lcdks fxjkus ds ckn(,d cki dks NksM+ dsa cki dks vfu p; cqf) ugha cuk, ldrha,d dks NksM+ ds lcdks vfu p; cqf) cukrh gs] lcds uecj Dyh;j dj nsrh gsa Student: Baba, when it has been said about 8 that they give company till the end. Baba: Yes, even those eight fail in the last period. Do they not fail in the last birth? When the last paper takes place, Maya will bring the downfall of everyone; only then will the numbers (i.e. ranks) be decided 1, 2, 3, 8. How will these eight numbers be decided? Arey! Student: Weakness. Baba: Weakness means Maya. Being influenced by Maya means coming in a lower number (i.e. rank). So, is Maya powerful or are the children who are going to be included in the list of eight deities, the seven children powerful? Maya is powerful. Student: And in the last period Maya comes first on this basis, its mind and intellect. Baba: Yes. After bringing about the downfall of everyone, except one father. She cannot make the father have a doubtful intellect. She makes everyone have a doubtful intellect except one; she makes everyone s number [rank] clear. ftkklq& v Vnsoksa esa ckck,slk D;k gs eryc] v Vnsoksa esa eu&cqf) mudh cki ls gv tkrh gs\,slk D;k gs\ ckck& oks rks ek;k fdlh dks NksM+rh gh ughaa Mªkek cuk gqvk gsa,slk vgadkj dksbz u djs fd ek;k ds iats esa ge Q lusokys ughaa vjs] jke dh vkrek gh ;K ds vkfn esa tc Qsy gks xbz rks vksj dksbz cpsxk D;k\ ek;k fdlh dks ugha NksM+rhA vc ;s Mªkek cuk gqvk gsa vxj,slk u gks rks ;s uecj ekykvksa ds dsls Dyh;j gksaxs\ blfy, ek;k cm+k ijh{kd gsaa ftkklq& blfy, ckck us mldks fteesnkjh ns ds j[kh gs D;k\ ckck& gk ] tha tks Jher ij ugha pyrs gs mudks [kqc QFkdkvksA ftkklq& vpns cppksa dks QFkdkuk mldh vpnh fteesnkjh nh gs ckck usa ckck& rks cm+k dke djrh gs uk\ ftkklq& cki dk vpnk dke djrh gsa ckck& gk ] rks cki ds leku mldk mikf/k Hkh rks curh gsa ftkklq& mikf/k curh gsa ckck& gk ] cki loz kfdroku rks ek;k Hkh loz kfdroku ysfdu vkb dh fylv esa ugha vkrh gsa 9

10 Student: Baba, what happens to the eight deities that their mind and intellect is diverted from the Father? What happens? Baba: Maya does not leave anyone at all. The drama is pre-determined. Nobody should feel egotistic that he will not be entangled in the claws of Maya. Arey, when the soul of Ram himself failed in the beginning of the yagya, can anyone else be spared? Maya does not leave anyone. In addition this drama is pre-determined. If it does not happen like this, then how will the numbers (i.e. ranks) of the rosary become clear? This is why Maya is a big examiner. Student: This is why Baba has given her the responsibility? Baba: Yes. Those who do not follow the shrimat, shake them a lot. Student: Baba has given her a good responsibility of shaking the good children. Baba: So she performs a big task, doesn t she? Student: She performs a good task of the Father. Baba: Yes, she also gets a title (upaadhi) equal to the Father. Student:.she gets a title. Baba: Yes, if the Father is almighty, Maya is also almighty. But she is not included in the list of eight. ftkklq& 108 esa Hkh rks ugha vkrh gs oks\ ckck& 108 dh fylv esa Hkh ugha vk ldrha ftkklq& cht:ik esa rks vk;sxh ugha oksa ckck& 108 dh fylv esa rks vk ldrh gs ysfdu 108 dh fylv esa vk ldrh gs vk/kkjewrksza dh fylv esaa ftkklq& cht:iksa esa rks ugha vk;sxh uk\ ckck& ughaa cht:ik esa cht#i ek;k gksxh rks vk;ssxha ek;k ds fy, D;k cksyk gs\ var esa ljs.m+j gksxh ysfdu cqf) ls lcls igys ljs.m+j gksxha rks vk/kkjewrksza us rks kjhj NksM+ fn;ka cqf) ls rks ljs.m+j kjhj jgrs rks gqbz ughaa rks oks vk/kkjewrz dh ckr ugha gsa fdldh ckr gs\ tks cht:ik ek;k gs mldh ckr gsa Student: She is not included among 108 either, is she? Baba: She cannot come in the list of 108 either. Student: She will not come in [the list of] seed-form (beejroop) [souls]. Baba: She can come in the list of 108 but she can come in the list of 108 root-form souls. Student: She will not be included among the seed-form souls, will she? Baba: No. If she is the seed-form Maya, she will come among the seed-form souls. What has been said for Maya? She will surrender herself in the end, but she will surrender herself through the intellect first of all. So, the base-like soul (aadhaarmoorth) [of Maya] has left her body. She did not surrender through the intellect as long as the body was present. So, it is not about the base-like soul. It is about whom? It is about the seed-form Maya. ftkklq& ckck vkfn esa tks ek;k vkbz Fkh Kku esa rks D;k kjhj ls ljs.m+j gqbz Fkh] eu&cqf) ls ugha gqbz Fkh\ ckck& ljs.m+j gksuk vksj fuhkkuk mlesa cgqr varj im+ tkrk gsa ftkklq& D;ksafd ckck us cksyk gs fd o kksza NksMks dqn efgus Hkh cki ds lkfk ugha jgh oks rks fukhkkus dk ogk iz u gh ugha mbk fqja ckck& fuhkkus dk iz u D;kas ugha mbk\ vxj fuhkk;s ugha rks ekyk esa dsls vk;sxh\ ftkklq& vkfn esaa 10

11 ckck& gk ] vkfn esaa HkhA tks vkfn esa lks var esaa vkfn esa ugha rks var esa dsls gksxka vksj\ ftkklq& rks mrus esa gh mldk uecj fqdl gks x;k ckck\ ckck& fdrus esa\ ftkklq& mrus esa ftruk fuhkkbz oksa ckck& igys fgeer fdlus dh\ igys ljs.m+j gksus dh fgeer fdlus dh\ ftkklq& ckck ml le; cgqr lkjs ljs.m+j gq,a Student: Baba, Maya who had entered the path of knowledge in the beginning, did she surrender physically and did she not surrender [herself] through the mind and intellect? Baba: There is a great difference between being surrendered and maintaining the relationship. Student: Because Baba has said that set aside the issue of years, she did not even give company for few months. So, there is no question of maintaining relationship at all. Baba: Why didn t the question of maintaining the relationship arise? If she does not maintain, how will she be included in the rosary? Student: In the beginning. Baba: Yes, in the beginning as well. Whatever happened in the beginning will happen in the end. If it does not happen in the beginning, how will it happen in the end? Student: So, was her number fixed just by that. Baba: By what? Student: To the extent she maintained the relationship. Baba: Who showed the courage first of all? Who showed the courage of surrendering herself first? Student: Baba, many surrendered themselves at that time. ckck& vpnk!,m+okul esa gh ys yksa,m+okul esa igys&2 ljs.m+j dksu gqvk\ ftkklq& izsedkurk cgua ckck& fqj\ fqj uecj ihns gs ;k vkxs\ ftkklq& ckck] ysfdu ckck oks rks fqj vkbz vksj xbza ckck& vkbz vksj xbz rks ugha fuhkk;k uk\,d lsds.m+] nks lsds.m+] nl lsds.m+],d efguk] nks efguk fuhkk;k uk\ ftkklq&,sls s vk;k jke&x;k jke rks cgqr gksrs gsa ckcka ckck& cgqr ugha gksrsa ftkklq& cgqr lkjs,sls Hkh gksrs gsa ckck& ysfdu vkfn esa] igys fgeer djusokysa fdlus dh fgeer\ ftkklq& ek;k usa ckck& ek;k us igys fgeer dha viuh cqf) dks Hkh igys mlus ljs.m+j fd;ka,m+okul ikvhz dh kq:vkr esa Hkh igys mlus ljs.m+j fd;k vksj dksbz ugha FkkA ysfdu fuhkk;k ugha blfy, ihns uecj gks x;k vksj cm+h ek us\ 4&5 lky ds ckn ljs.m+j gqbz] 83 esaa ftkklq& mlls igys ;K esa Fkh oks\ ckck& igys Hkh Fkh ;K esa ysfdu ljs.m+j ugha gqbz ;k fd le>nkj ugha Fkh] cppk FkhA ysfdu yecs le; rd fuhkk;ka rks vhkh 600&700 dk ifjokj ljs.m+j gksusokyksa dk gs( vxj mlus u fuhkk;k gksrk brus yecs le; rd rks dgk ls gksrk\ Baba: OK, take the example of advance (party) itself. Who surrendered herself in advance (party) first of all? Student: Sister Premkanta. 11

12 Baba: Then. Is her number behind or ahead? Student: But Baba, she came and went away. Baba: She came and went; she didn t maintain the relationship, did she? One second, two seconds, ten seconds, one month, and two months. She maintained the relationship, didn t she? Student: There are many such ones who come and go (after some time) Baba. Baba: There are not many. Student: There are many who also. Baba: But those who showed the courage in the beginning, first of all. Who showed the courage? Student: Maya. Baba: Maya showed the courage first of all. She surrendered her intellect first of all. Even in the beginning of the advance party, she surrendered herself first. There was nobody else. But she did not maintain the relationship. This is why she lagged behind in number (i.e. rank). And what about the senior mother? She surrendered herself after 4-5 years, in (19)83. Student: Was she in the yagya prior to that? Baba: She was in the yagya prior to that also, but she hadn t surrendered herself or she was not mature, she was a child. But she maintained the relationship for a long time. So, now there is a family of who have surrendered themselves. Had she not maintained the relationship for such a long time, then how would it have been possible? 18-50&21-28 ftkklq& ckck cksyk gs esa ifrrksa dks ikou cukus ds fy;s vkrk g wa rks ifrr tks gsa oks vkfnokyksa dks T;knk ifrr dgsaxs ;k tks var esa vk jgs gsa mudks T;knk ifrr dgsaxs\ ckck& tks vkrek tc Kku esa vkrh gs pkgs csfld esa] pkgs,m+okul esa ml le; ifrr LVst esa vkrh gs ;k ikou LVst esa vkrh gs\ eku yks dksbz vhkh u;k&2 vk;k mls ifrr dgsaxs ;k ikou dgsaxs\ ftkklq& ifrr dgsaxsa ckck& ifrr dgsaxsa fqj vkidk iz u D;k gs\ ftkklq& tks vkfn esa vk;k eryc ;K ds vkfn esa ckck& vkfn esa Hkh vk;k rks Hkh dgsaxs csfldyh ifrra ftkklq& vksj vhkh tks----- ckck& vhkh tks vkrs gsa oks oks vkrs gsa ftudh vkrek :ih lqbz dh dv mrjh gqbz gksrh gsa tc rd dv mrjh ugha gs csfldyh rc rd cki ds leeq[k ugha vk, ldrsa ftkklq& vksj tks vkrs gsa vksj vkds fqj pys tkrs gsaa vkrs fqj pys tkrs gsaa rks mudk dv mrjrk&p<+rk jgrk gs D;k\ ckck& mudh rks fxurh gh ugha gksxh fqja crk;k uk,d ckj ekq] nks ckj ekq] cgqr esa cgqr rhu ckj ekqa Time: Student: Baba it has been said, I come to purify the sinful ones. So, as regards the sinful ones, will those from the beginning be called more sinful or will those who are coming in the end be said to be more sinful? Baba: When a soul enters the path of knowledge, whether it is in basic knowledge or in advance knowledge, does it come in a sinful stage or in a pure stage? Suppose someone came newly; will he be called sinful or pure? Student: He will be called sinful. 12

13 Baba: He will be called sinful. Then what is your question? Student: The one who came in the beginning, i.e. in the beginning of the yagya... Baba: Even if someone came in the beginning, he will be said to be sinful at a basic level. Student: And those who come now... Baba: All those who come now are the ones, the rust on whose soul in the form of a needle has been removed. Unless the rust has been removed at a basic level, they cannot come in front of the Father. Student: And those who come and then depart, they come and then depart; does their kat (i.e. rust) keep being removed and accumulated? Baba: Then they won t be counted at all. It has been said, hasn t it? [The Father] will forgive once, He will forgive twice, at the most thrice. ftkklq& vkfn ds dqn,sls Hkh cpps gsa tks vkrs jgs&tkrs jgs&2a fqj Hkh vk;saxs rks ckck mudks,dlsiv djsaxs uk\ ckck& vkrs jgs&tkrs jgs&2\ ftkklq& tsls oks vius vgenkckn okys HkkbZA ckck& dksu\ ftkklq& n kjfk HkkbZA ckck& oks dgka vkrs jgs&tkrs jgsa x;s rks x;sa ftkklq& ckck nks ckj vk;s uk oks\ ckck& dgk \ ftkklq& ckck& gk ] rks mugksaus vius dks izr;{k ugha fd;k gksxka vkwiksft ku dh fylv esa izr;{k gksuk pkfg, uk\ vanj,d vksj ckgj nwljk,slk bl czkã.k ifjokj ds fy, cgqr [kksqukd vksj [krjukd gsa rks mugksaus 5&6 lky] 7 lky,slk [kksqukd] [krjukd dk ikvz ctk;k blfy, rks oks fojks/kh ikvhz esa pys x;sa Student: There are some children from the beginning who continued to come and go. If they come once again, Baba will accept them; will He not? Baba: Did they keep coming and going? Student: Just like that brother from Ahmedabad. Baba: Who? Student: Dashrath bhai. Baba: Did he keep coming and going? He went once for all. Student: Baba, he came twice, didn t he? Baba: Where? Student said something. Baba: Yes, he must not have revealed himself [as an opponent]. He should be revealed in the list of opposition, shouldn t he? The one who is different inside and outside is very dangerous for the Brahmin family. He played such a dangerous part for 5-6 years, 7 years; this is why he went to the opposition party &22-20 ftkklq& iapk;rh jkt; fdldks dgsaxs\ ckck& iapk;rh jkt; ekuk ik p dk jkt;a iap ekuk ik pa vksj vkt dh nqfu;k esa vc rd ik p iapksa esa iq: k eq[; FksA vhkh 50 ilszuv dh LVst ij du;k;sa&ekrk;sa Hkh vk xbz 13

14 gsa oks Hkh ik p iapksa dh fylv esa pquh tk ldrh gsa vc rks jko.k ds nl flj laiuu gks x;sa Time: Student: What is Panchayati Raj? Baba: Panchayati rajya 2 means the rule of five people. Panch means five. And in today s world so far there was a dominance of men among the five Panchs. Now the virgins and mothers have also reached the stage of 50%. They can also be elected to the list of five Panchs. Now the ten heads of Ravan have become perfect! 32-31&34-28 ftkklq& ckck] ek;k uxjh cecbz dks D;ksa dgk gs\ mlesa D;k [kklh;r gs\ ckck& D;ksafd csfld Kku lcls igys dksuls kgj esa vk;k\ dksulh uxjh,slh gs ftlus csfld Kku lcls igys mbk;k\ fdlhus dgk& fnyyha ckck& ughaa vjs] ikfdlrku esa Fkk uk\ ikfdlrku ls dgk vk;k\ ftkklq& ekmuv vkcwa ckck& ikfdlrku ls mbds lh/ks ekmuv vkcw x;s Fks\ igys cecbz esa vk;sa vksj cecbz esa Hkh tks ek;k dh vk/kkjewrz gs] oks cm+k ikvz ctkus okyh] mlesa igys oks gsm cukbz xbza lcls igys csfld esa csfld Kku dks lehkkyk fdlus\ izdk ke.kh nknh us yecs le; rd lehkkyka oks ;gk dh fuferr cu ds jgh gsa rks T;knk QkmUMs ku fdldk im+k\ fdlhus dgk& ek;k dka ckck& rks QkmUMs ku im+k gsa ftkklq& ckck ds ckn ;k ckck ls igys] ckck ds lkfk esa\ ckck& czãk ckck tc ikfdlrku ls mbds vk;s Fks rks igys&2 dgk ls gks djds xqtjs\ cecbz ls gksds xqtjsa fdlhus dqn dgka ckck& gk tha ek;k gs gh--- fons kh gs fd Lons kh gs\ fons kh gsa Time: Student: Baba, why is Bombay called Maya nagari (the city of Maya)? What is its specialty? Baba: It is because, in which city did the basic knowledge arrive first of all? Which is the city that took the basic knowledge first of all? Someone said: Delhi. Baba: No. Arey, it [OM Mandali] was in Pakistan, wasn t it? Where did it come to from Pakistan? Student: Mount Abu. Baba: Did they go to Mount Abu directly from Pakistan? First they came to Bombay. And even in Bombay, the base soul of Maya, the one who plays a big role, was first made the head in it. In the basic knowledge, who managed [the administration of] the basic knowledge first of all? Prakashmani dadi managed it for a long time. She was in charge of [the centre] here. So, whose foundation was laid more? Someone said: Of Maya. Baba: So, the foundation has been laid. Student: Is it after Baba or before Baba, along with Baba? 2 System of governing prevalent in Indian villages 14

15 Baba: Brahma Baba went via where first of all, when he came from Pakistan? He went via Bombay. Someone said something. Baba: Yes. Maya is Is she a videshi (foreigner) or a swadeshi (Indian)? She is a videshi &40-03 ftkklq& txneck dks yklv esa Kku esa dksbz dzkwl ugha dj ik;sxka ckck& yklv esa\ vhkh dksbz dzkwl dj ldrk gs mls\ ftkklq& ughaa rks tm+ cqf) dsls\ ckck&,d gksrk gs] Kku esa dzkwl djuka okpk ls Kku fudyrk gsa okpk ds vk/kkj ij dksbz bruk fo}ku gs fd dksbz iamhr] fo}ku] vkpk;z mldk eqdkcyk ugha dj ldrka tsls jko.ka jko.k izdkam fo}ku Fkk] Kkuh Fkk dksbz mldk eqdkcyk djus dh fgeer j[krk Fkk D;k\ dksbz ugha j[krk FkkA ysfdu izsfdvdy deksza esa Kku lek;k gqvk Fkk\ ugha lek;k gqvk FkkA rks leiw.kz Kkuh dgsa ;k v/kwjk Kkuh dgsa\ lhkh& v/kwjk KkuhA ckck& vhkh ckr le> esa vkbz\--- vk xbza Time: Student: No one will be able to cross Jagadamba in knowledge in the end. Baba: In the end? Can anyone cross her now? Student: No. So, how is she said to have an inert intellect? Baba: One is, to cross someone in knowledge. Knowledge comes out through speech. Someone is so proficient in speech that no scholar or teacher can confront him. Just like Ravan. Ravan was a great scholar, he was so knowledgeable. Did anyone have the courage to confront him? No one had. But did he have knowledge in his practical actions? He didn t have it. So, will he be called the one having complete knowledge or the one having incomplete knowledge? Everyone said: The one having incomplete knowledge. Baba: Did you understand now? You did. Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation. 15