I took off + 9 o clock. Flew to Lobatsi. Only conversation was as to route etc. Both sat in rear seats.

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1 MR TRUTER: I am a pilot in employ of Aviation Co. On 27th Aug 1963 (Tuesday) I was stationed in Manzini. I got instructions to fly 2 priests to Lobatsi. I was at airfield at I phoned local police I got a report. My plane was Cessna four seater. Priests were at airport with local Manager when I arrived. They were dressed as Priests (Gives colours. One was European. Other looked coloured. I spoke to them while security check was in progress. I took off + 9 o clock. Flew to Lobatsi. Only conversation was as to route etc. Both sat in rear seats. Landed at Lobatsi in Bechuanaland. When I landed I had no idea who they could be. Later I saw photos in newspaper. I now identify them as G. and W. Photo No.: Glasses and nose same. No beard. Much thinner. Man dressed as European. Photo No: No beard much thinner bore slight resemblance to this picture because much thinner. Man I conveyed look like coloured. Fare fixed with Manager apparently in cash.

2 0.1 MR WEYERS. Item 83 Gave evidence previously. Faraday Police Station that morning arrived there + 8 a.m. on morning of 12th April, At entrance found cardboard box 2 pieces of fuse twisted around box Van Wyk opened box found 18 dynamite cartridges in think they were broken 1 fuse dead 1 fuse broken Van Wyk took possession Post Office is in Central Road, Fordsburg same Post Office as mentioned in Item 20 where something happened on MR. KATZ Gave evidence on in regard to repairs on Kombi and handed in Invoice AG Kombi in Exhibit B is one I did repairs on Kombi handed back on 11th July and handed to me on 8th. July up to 11th. July 1963 was in my possession all the time. LEE Interpreter - I was shown R60 Partly in English partly Xosa and Sutu. First Xosa and then in Suthu African s this A.N.C. speaking through its own channel. Let them come to those to whom they belong. Refers back Let us get back the bond which have taken back. On last page the 3rd. paragraph. Get up and stand on your feet. Al countries are with u s now you can see how this day is been looked upon. Right at the bottom of the passage: Join up young men the time has arrived. Present in Court when John Tsingame gave evidence Mealie meal. The witness said Mgudo is verb to grind He should have said meal.

3 0.2 BY V.C. In Court the understandable mistake It was explained to him. They had a carton and plastic bag. How many cartons only one carton I heard the crossexamination he said other things I don t remember about the pipes He was asked to remember and then. He said that other things not happy. MGOKU If there N it means now. MGEGQU. MOLOBEMGLA MG uncivilised or wild. not oppressed not henchman RABIE Interpreter H/X and M/C in Johannesburg. T43 and T45 written out. T43 no date I translated it. T Checked it is corrected. LAST WITNESS W.P. VAN WYK Ltt. S.A.P. S/B stationed at Johannesburg. Office in Charge of Investigations. Also Investigating Office Romonsti and Turok and also in Sabotage Squad. I heard evidence of Van Zyl and Simon of Rondebosch. I also heard XX re initials in book. The method is? The book is a service record entitles to make notes at the back when on duty a superior can initial it. As a result of certain information arrangements were made to raid Rivonia. Arrangements carried out on Dry cleaners van and certain members of staff went in. There were instructions given to them and now Kennedy and Dirker to hand. If they found until Dirker came. To avoid confusion.

4 Every member was told what is his duty Kleinhans and Bantu spoke I ordered the raid for reasons I had. I jumped out and had information about outbuildings I ran into main house. I found Solomon when I saw Dirker behind Entered lounge Van Wyk went to bedroom. I thought No. 3 Goldreich He was in sitting room He had hat on and coat. A number of people were detained No. 2, No. 4, No. 5, No. 6 and No, 7. Some were in van and also labourers I stood next to him Took out a document from Sisulu s pocket to wipe out Apartheid R232 and T80 corresponds. Hepple was also there. Kept myself busy with food transport etc. Sisulu had heard I had information that his hair as long and short moustache. No. 5 Did not know him. I asked who is this white. This house is 300 yds away from Main Road. Not visible from Main Road. In the main house heard commotion stood by car and Dirker and others around him. His wife came later. I arrested her. I see D No. 24 As a result of information right behind 4 inches deep pulled out a wire in ground. Photo 25 shows Goldreich. It shows the whole length of the place. Photo No. 30 also shows the wire. Photos 28 and 29 a footpath. Recently used as tyre s marks are there goes through another gate. This is wire R31. It is soldered on. And the end of the eye. Must have been for a few weeks it was hard ground. Photos taken on BENJAMIN ROMOTSI: There was a P.E. Did not turn up for trial Item 19 He was injured. 0.3

5 BENJAMIN TUROK Secretary COD He was charged in that capacity. He was found guilty 3 yrs I investigated 36. Some in R50,000 apart from injuries and deaths.. On 16./17 December 1961 noticed a document report from Press Polly and Anderson Street. Pamphlet Umkonto we Sizwe received two others Exhibit AD A photo was taken. On night explosives and I can t fix time. First one Fordsburg. 2 explosives on both sides. I went No. 9 Telephone cable The next morning. The lid forcibly removed cables in wire and some cut. Piece of safety fuse. ITEM 20. Central P.O. just after 12 on The front door blown out Telephone booth was broken. ITEM 23. Peri-Urban Board. Investigated on Monday in Kliptown. Break in the wall foot in Diam. All windows broken. ITEM 22. Also discovered later black mark on wall. Plastic bottle by major. Item 24: Cor street Johannesburg. I was at scene in Fordsburg. Door frame forced out. ITEM 25 B.A.O. Ferreirastown. Considerable damage. Pieces of plate some container. 28 Sup Zone 3 Two front doors damaged and several windows broken.

6 35 Rissik Street P/P. 7 an 9th Feb This happened over period of time. 1st Floor of P.O. President of N Divorce Court. In his bench in left hand drew small little bottle aluminium powder. I had scattered material and bench paid scorched. Ben Turok was arrested It was the same as the first. 15 On the 5th the four cement boxes exploded, obviously dynamite. 168 P.O. LEEUKOP Went in afternoon short distance away pieces of dynamite. The pipe wires were broken. This is No On same place as before mentioned a hole 1 1/2 in diam. with dynamite the wall was damaged. When I arrived Cruywagen was there. XX BY V.C.B. He may make at the back but there is not provision as to whom. On made arrangements with van I did not get others did in town. The van was outside the Police Station in yard visible from the Road. At the time of Raid I rushed to main building. I encountered Goldberg shortly afterwards I went outside and saw 2, 4, 5 and 6. Then I saw Dirker searching No., 2. It was then No. 5 asked me how I liked his long jacket. 26 Acts apart from deaths. R50,000 damage. Only Romontsi and Molife. There were other org. committee acting sabotage. My information is N.C.L. is A.N.C. I only know Liberation Movement. 0.5

7 0.6 I think I would investigate what I saw in Daily Mail what I saw I would investigate. I investigate anything of political nature but others do so. This must have been investigate. 9th and 10th April 1963 P.A.C. troubles. They had their own modus operandi. I was concerned with 38 arrested and five were found guilty. The mineworker who wanted to convince the Police that he had found sabotage group. Rand Daily Mail said that woman phoned to say Putfontein was work of Committee of Liberation. I did no search at all I was not the first in the lounge. BY COAKER I left the whole of investigation to van Rensburg. I can t say what statements were taken. Definitely taken from some members. Had interview with Fine and Behrman. They were interviewed by Prosecutor they were together they mentioned Kantor s name I can t remember on account of children. I can t it is in the same vehicle. They were interviewed about Kantor. I don t think written statement was taken from them. On I saw Kantor I did not speak to him. I heard Dirker warn him not to stand around. When arrested Mrs. Goldreich 3 children. I made no arrangements for children. Goldreich was also there. I don t know whether Fine wanted to use phone nor Kantor. I left before him and Fine and Mrs.Behrman. I took no interest. I can t remember Mrs Arenstein because people came and went. I can t say how many col s were there whom, I did not know with private. At the gate there was guard to prevent people from coming in. Kantor came there as attorney He was at the back when I saw him.

8 REX. 0.7 Mrs. Goldreich came with Enid. I think she had children. The only one who asked for warrant. She was aggressive and detained. Interview at Greys Information there was from privileged source. He is Goldreich s relation and Arenstein she is sister Arenstein. There was a connection between Greef and Arenstein.

9 BRUNO MTOLO Recalled for XAC I understand English perfectly well. I have read advanced works of Dielectrical Materialism, etc. Visit to H.C. in June Took batch of men with me. Got in touch with Slovo eventually got to H.C. I did not bring people with me then. George Naicker gave me money directly. He handed money to me directly. Reads from Page 141: I boarded train at P.M.B. Went by train from Durban to P.M.B. Reads: Ablon Duma was sent to Naicker R20 I said that Ablon Duma did go. I might have been confusing two situations. A.D. was sent to Naicker arranged booking got R20-00 from Naicker. Reads from record Slovo visit etc... All is correct I gave evidence + 3 weeks ago at Durban. At Durban State trying to establish Naicker was treasurer--- I don t know. Reads from record at Durban. G.N. George Naicker handed me money for High Command. Reads record. I said I would explain mistake. On first occasion I came to H.C. fetched money. I had to go to H.C. twice. I only went to H.C. once. When I actually WENT money was given by Ablon. 0.8

10 10 minutes ago I said George Naicker. I immediately said there many be confusion between two occasion. When I went to H.C. Ablon Duma fetched money when I actually went to meeting I would say that is correct. On second occasion when I had to go the H.C., but did NOT arrive there, G.N. gave me money. Reads P.M.B. evidence again It is correct. Even though I did NOT see H.C. or arrive there, I was going to meting and that is why I said that. Puts: Adept at tailoring evidence to meet circumstances of case. A. Not so. Puts: When gave evidence here NOT issue whether G.N. or A.D. gave you money BUT in P.M.B. was in issue to prove G.N. the treasurer. Yes. Puts: Fashioned evidence at P,.M.B. for this purpose. Deals with Item 76 I remember petrol bomb in N. Coast train --- Reads Durban evidence P P Anxious to tell Crt. it was a mistake. P I don t know Perumal. Puts: Perumal gave evidence at P.M.B. that he placed bomb on train own decision. A. I don t know. I have never seen Perumal don t know what he looks like. If P. gave that evidence, my evidence now agrees with it. H.C. did NOT instruct N.C. train to be fired. Puts Evidence in Chief at Pta Page

11 0.10 I gave that evidence Now I will explain. Although H.C. did NOT instruct job it was done it was reported and approved. How does that fit in with It was decided... Ebrahim and his group would do that job... had to put bomb on train was that evidence true--- It requires explanation but amounts to what I said. Is it true or not that H.C. decided E. and group would put bomb on train--- Before committed it was a mistake to say H.C. s act. But for P.M.B. evidence position would have been that H.C. decided in advance to attack N.C. train --- Act authorised by H.C. and no mistake --- That is correct. That is what my evidence amounted to. People could have been punished on that evidence. Reads from Pager 92 (line 22) Why did you say that H.C. discussed this. A.C. frightened Train empty--- I am also a human being my mind works as a human being remember things at certain time. Suggests evidence tailored to fit Perumals. Just reported as successful I don t know what happened--- I personally do not know that. It is because was I ever asked what happened to bomb- In Jhb. I was NOT asked what was reported only if it was successful. I failed to give evidence because I had forgotten it. ITEM 147 Reads from Page 1088 Jhb Record Line 20 I don t remember reply to Did you get report back on Induna s room. Well did you get a report back It was done was reported back was successful Reported back that frightening was successful. Continues up to where was it placed according to report back

12 0.11 Also at P.M.B. I had some difficulty about that Idea was that Induna had to be frightened not badly injured but a friend of the Induna had to be attacked NOT Induna Friend had to be frightened. Bomb had to be placed in friend s house NOT Induna s. Reads from P. 108 I got report back that it was placed on ventilation window of friends room. Difference is two occns on one occn friend s room 2nd occn Induna s room. Bomb in Induna s room. Was it authorised or not--- Frightening of Induna was instns. occn. when friend had to be attacked. Bomb in room of Induna was it authorised or not--- No When placed in his own place, it was NOT an instruction of H.C. Why did you say this Induna had to be frightened I made bomb etc.--- It is still correct what I am saying. It is all correct, except bomb NOT placed in Induna s place, BUT friend s place. I think I did make that explanation under XAC. If I said Induna's room I coupled it with friend s house. Idea was to frighten Induna. Put bomb in somebody else s room to frighten Induna--- Yes it was his asst. Why not Induna's room--- I do not know reason for decision, I don t know why it was done. I was on H.C. I had to do with deliverations There was a particular reason for this I don t remember reason. THAT person. I have not read XAC. I believe I explained this is XAC. There was a discussion about this agreement that it was to be done that way Can t remember if there was a protest

13 0.12 Puts XAC at P. It is exactly there where I was trying to explain that attack on Induna as NOT part of instructions of H.C. My recollection is that I said... :just a minute I want to explain what I said. I said Induna had to be frightened with bomb, I don t remember saying this A.M. In evidence in chief said P.B. to be placed in Induna's room report back successful in XAC, introduced NON political cases = bomb in Induna s room was a mistake. Puts: at P.M.B. knew what you had said in XAC, and that is why at P.M.B. you invented story of friend s room. By Crt: Was bomb put in assistant s room. A. Yes. Led in evidence by Dr. Yutar that bomb placed in Induna s room n instructions of H.C. Did you make statement that there were two pipe bombs, and not authorised by HC was friend of Induna--- I may NOT have out it in statement 0- I think I did mention it. Did you say two pipe bombs used one on friend s room (authorised). one in Induna s room (unauthorised)--- I do remember police questioned me about other bomb. Did you in statement to police say HC authorised placing of bomb in room of Induna s friend not led; not charged here or Durban--- I might not have put it that way in statement, I said one bomb in friend s place and other in Induna s place. I explained to Police that bomb at Induna s friend s place as to frighten Induna. Did you explain tot Police that bomb at Induna had nothing to do with HC--- I can t remember saying that depends on

14 0.13 how question put. I understood importance of saying whether act authorised or not. I gave evidence at P.E. of Mduli s case. I said it here. I wanted to say... Reads from P.M.B. Page 1865 Concealed from Police and Crt. that you had acquired bomb and given to Mduli because you were not questioned on it. Police only wanted to know as to whether Mduli had called a meeting in office I replied to Qun. I did NOT speak about bomb because I was not asked. Witness gave evidence at P/E called Patrick Mlambo Reads Mlambo s evidence. Puts: Adept at finding reasons for anything you might find yourself in difficulty Reads evidence at P.M.B. Page 1971 et sec. That is my evidence ITEMS 126, 127 AND 128 Reads from Page 101 of evidence in Chief at Jhb Evidence is correct Was put in XAC at Durban that many acts of AC NOT authorised. Reads p of P.M.B. Is that what you said ---- I think I did so. Is that true?---yes. Acts at Kwa Mashu were authorised by H.C. Why did you say I don t remember. Judge said were there targets at K.M. which were not authorised and I said I don t know.

15 0.14 ITEM 181 There is one incident where H.C. criticised. I am NOT certain whether petrol bomb on P/Train OR case of Molotov bomb. Memory is NOT always so sharp to remember events. In witness box after guns things become refreshed and memory gets better. I know what you are talking about I am not certain which of the two I mentioned. Reads evidence At P.M.B. a great number of things which you did NOT testify to at Jhb. Yes, a whole lot of things which were never raised at P.M.B. Puts: Ready to concede mistake when confronted by evidence of H/W. ---If I realise it is a mistake. I would remember things as I saw it. Measure pylon at New Germany. Dynamite at Shallcross Coetzee Naicker Reads from Page 1995 Reads from evidence at P.M.B Made a statement questioning did not quite believe know could not be used Refused to go to Mag. PUT: Police did not seem to believe that I had gone to Rivonia. Correct I refused to go to Mag. RE-EXD. I have not been released from custody yet,

16 0.15 W/OL DIRKER ( ) (Beginning NOT recorded) Post addressed to Miss Tillie Julius P.O. Box Not certain 1355 I took possession of article Exhibit 06. I have some information Box number is Ruth First s New Age (She was Editress of New Age). Tillie stands for Mathilda M.F. Julius is father She used that combination as a pseudonym. envelope contained 8 copies of Assegai, (NO. 1) Deals with MK, etc. On Page 3: Reads details. On 5 Aug authorised by Minister and SPP Jhb I took possession o f11 post articles addressed to 11 persons. Bob Hepple 47 Ocean St., Kensington. Tillie Julius These were posted in Milanon Contained two books. Each contained 8 booklets of two kinds four each. Charles Dickens was Assegai No. 3 of April SHORT SHORT DETECTIVE STORIES Assegai No. 4 of May Thursday 11 July 1963 Chronological order. I was accompanied by other police to Lilliesleaf from Rivonia. When Lt. van Wyk gave orders, I got out of vehicle. I went in a westerly direction towards main Bldg. where I saw No. 3 sitting in lounge I walked toward 3 went in by Kitchen door I came across 2 employees Solomon and Thomas. Solomon was busy with electric icecream mixer for Pedro Established that Pedro was No. 5. I went back to van when I got there I saw No. 6 standing there No. 4 and Bob Hepple No. 2 and No. 7 were already in van with some of the servants. No. 2 is well known to me since No. 5 is well known since Both of them are well known to me, but when I saw them that day I found it difficult to recognise them. Had to look at No. 5 several times to recognise them. No. 2 had long hair Hitler moustache. No. 5 had black moustache long hair reddish colour long coat.

17 0.16 Also Sisulu, had a khaki dust coat. I searched No. 2 He was sitting in van I personally searched No. 2 and No. 6. On No. 2 I found a document R232. When I searched him he said in English Well Mr. D you have got all you are looking for:. On No. 6 I got personal docs R65-00 in cash I gave it to wife on 16.M known as Hilda Bernstein (also Hilda Watts). I went round the room and 5. I noticed that there were documents and other articles in the room. I took some of Accd. to rooms. First Hepple alone to 5 rooms I asked if he knew contents of each room He said he had no knowledge of contents. But Room No. 1 he said. He was there when police arrived. I made NOTES of answers given to me. I have these notes before me. I made notes at rooms when I questioned them. Car T.J was on East side of main dwelling viz. B32 He claimed car as his property. He gave me keys. I searched car. Also opened bonnet and felt engine. It was cold. It was BOT only car next car was 6 s T.J He said car was his he had keys and gave them to me. I examined car. Also felt engine. It was cold. No. 6 s car was also on east of main house not far from Hepple s car. Car B33Car B33 Volkswagen Kombi This was just to South of Room No. 1 Facing towards the main road. It shown on Photo 1. Keys of that car were on small table in f=dining room of main dwelling. Car B84 NO car This was on N. side of rooms and 9. On side of room towards main road. Also shown on Photo B1. Taunus Station Wagon. I could NOT find keys of this car. I also asked G. about this and he could tell me nothing.

18 0.17 I went back to room No.1 after I had taken Nos. 2 and 7 around. I went back to vehicle. No. 5 asked me to allow him to put on jacket. I took him to room No. 1 He wanted to put jacket on wall. I said is it his. He said NO We are used to putting on anything in this room. Jacket on chair is NOT jacket I refer to Jacket is marked on corner of photo near window. Photo shows portions of rooms pieces of furniture were there. While No. 5 was in room 1, I searched room with Kennedy. I took possession of certain documents Kennedy also did so he handed his docs. to me. I found paper bags in room. I put my docs. in particular bags. Kennedy out his in another bag. Exhibit R234 Notes of bag Room No. 1 also notes of furniture. Exhibit R235 Kennedy s bag is R235. Documents I took possession of R7 R71 R165 R169 R170 R171 R180 R181 Also 3 keys R26 I found keys on bed in room No. 1 Later during October 16, 1963, I went to Mountain View Kriel s house one of the keys fitted the lock of the kitchen door. Other key opened built-in cupboard in kitchen. In this cupboard black material and mens cloths were found. (Rx. M15) All found in cottage NOT main house. From Room No. 1, I went to 3 and 4 there were padlocks on door taken to kitchen keys found in kitchen and they Exhibit R236 operated locks (Exhibit R236 is the two keys). Exhibit R237 The two locks are Exhibit R237. I also found two keys which locked door on room No. 1. Exhibit R238 duplicate key Exhibit R238.

19 0.18 I also searched Taunus car I found R182. Exhibits R28, 29, 30 In room No. 3 I found parts of a radio set Exhibits R28, 29 and 30 In room No, 7 I found a Roneo machine before the Crt. Exhibit R239 Exhibit R239 In Room No. 9 on East side of a poplar pole (outside of room) over 27ft. long tied to a brick pillar + 6 ft. high. On top of pole was a loop of wire. This pillar is shown on B31 Pole was tied with barbed wire wire can be seen on near side of pillar I undid pole myself. On N. side of rooms 6,, 7, 8 and 9, another 3 poles were lying against the wall 23, 25, 20 ft. On thin end of poles, fork points Total poles to 4. On West side of Room 1, also 2 poles these were longer ft. in length. I took possession of all poles still in possession of police. ADJOURNMENT A.M. I noticed alarm clock in Rivonia. It was attached to roof on S. side of main house. I noticed if telephone rang in hall a clock also rang i.e. it was connected to telephone. It was so distinct in sound that I could hear it from a long way away. I can t say whether it was installed. could hear it from a long way away. I can t say whether it was installed. BY CRT: Telephone could be heard in garden. I saw G at p.m. He arrived in car. Car went in I did NOT know it was G. I was some distance from when it stopped. It suddenly reversed. Police ran after car, Car came back and stopped where it had been before. G. got out of car. Walked toward us. I arrested him. I Searched him.

20 0.19 I took him to car. He handed keys to me. I opened boot and found certain docs. in car. I had never seen G. before. I asked him to accompany me to outside rooms. Nos 1 13 I asked about contents and occupants of rooms. He gave an explanation on account of each room. I made notes. At a later stage his wife arrived whilst I was searching lounge. I searched all rooms in house. Took possession of docs and made lists. Study of Main House. I searched and found docs. there. In the corner, near roof, I saw a little door 18 x 2 ft. I asked G what was behind door. He said it was just how he had seen it. I look for keys Door had lock on it. I could find no keys. I ordered detective to break it open. When broken I noticed a built in safe. Photo B 6 shows this. Safe was locked. I asked G. for keys of safe. He said it was first time he had seen safe. Had no keys. I left it alone that day. Exhibit R194 In the kitchen I found 3 solid pieces of Alm.. I gave Exhibit R195 to Cruywagen. In G s car I found a piece of Alm (R195). Towards end of day accd. No and 7 were arrested. Also Bob Hepple. Also servants who were on premises. Friday 12, July Went back to farm. Box R 44 I found in Room No. 2 (One in Crt is NOT actual one one here is substitute) It is just like box I found. I went back to study with Cruywagen G. was present C. forced the door of safe with explosives. We all went back to room one persons present took a paper bag out of safe handed it over to me. This is the paper bag. I examined it in presence f G. I found R in notes in the bag. I asked G. if ha had any knowledge of money He said he knew nothing abut this. Exhibit R240 Exhibit R240 is the bag with notes.

21 0.20 I made a list of all the notes. Gave particulars to Chief Teller of Reserve Bank at Pretoria. I received a reply. Exhibit AM) Handed in by Mr. Fenn (Exhibit AM) I continued investigation at farm. I eventually came to Exhibit B21 coal shed. (Exhibit B21). On Eastern side of Main house. There are 3 doors to room. Door on N. side is kitchen door. Door were jacket hangs leads to a hot water system. Other door is the store room. On left hand side is coal shed. As I said one of the police climbed up opened lid made a report to me I climbed up and noticed on one side coal was high, but pieces of cardboard were sticking out. Policeman climbed in took out packets shown on photo below. Viz. typewriter, maps and cardboard boxes. Members of police were present Also Goldreich. I made a list of articles found there. That morning, while I was there,. Accd. No. 8 came there. With a car. He spoke to members of police. I approached him,. Asked him what he wanted. He said he had come to feed chickens and dogs. I said he could do it. BUT must leave immediately, because I was still investigating. I walked away I saw No. 8 go into Room No. 10 in which was a bag of mealies, went to the chicken run (shown on photo). I stood on N. side of main dwelling, where cars stop, when I spoke to No. 8. (Circle is shown on photo). He walked towards room with pen door on photo (first room on left). I then saw him go to fowl run. Also shown on Photo 1 on right hand side. I saw him fetch water in a watering can from tap o in S. side of main building (On A. bottom of Photo 1). On Photo 2, down below, is a ring. Tap is between residence and ring (which is a swimming bath). I had to repeat twice that I did not want any people around. At one stage he wanted to go in to Main house. I said it could

22 0.20 not be done. I then warned him again that he could not stay on premises. It looked strange to me nothing was said where tap or mealies were I watched No. 8 He went easily to these places. It looked to me as if he knew the place. When I asked for the third time, he left premises in car alone. On next day 13th July I went to farm I found something Exhibit R233 in passage Books Exhibit R233 in a cupboard built into wall of passage (On Guerrilla in 16th C). I searched cupboard on previous day I did NOT search at this particular place where I found book. A toilet stool for children a chamber pot book was underneath. On that day I handed radio parts to Shelton (R28, 29, 30) I handed exhibits to Van Heerden on same day Analyst Exhibits bottles and powders (Ex ) I found these articles in Room No. 3 as far as I can remember without referring to list Parts of radio are shown in Photo B 10. Electric kettle scale with newspaper in it IN corner, behind radio, two bottles appear. (Photo was taken on 11 July). (See Exhibit B4). Travallyn : Afternoon of 7 Aug. 63 Accompanied by other members of Force and Findlay who had reported to me. We went to Plot 9, Travallyn, in District of Krugersdorp. On our arrival we found front and back door of dwelling were locked. On W. side of bldg. was window a pane was broken. F. opened window through pane. (T. made a report about the window to me). F. climbed in and opened back door. I entered house through kitchen and found fridge open No food I found plates broken on floor Also cups, saucers etc. were dirty and standing on wash up place. I found a RDMail of 11 June Exhibit T72 Exhibit T72 This is shown on Photo 37, lying on a chair 11th July 1963 NOT 11th June. I searched house. Took possession of documents. Room No. 1 is shown on 39 (photo). Also writing desk, 3 beds,

23 0.21 (one made up). On bed was pyjamas. I made a list at time I marked as room 1 desk, 3 draws, 3 beds, one made up, blankets, sheets, one pillow, one set of pyj. One robe. Two chairs. A gas heater. 2 floor mats. Documents were found in draw of desk and I made a list. Room No. 2 Photo 40 window, door, curtain curtains were heavy? I think dark brown NOT black. Police took possession of. One made up bed pillow mattress sheets pyjama trousers chair wardrobe and one floor mat. Also docs. in this room, on top of wardrobe. A couple of books and letter Also writing material and pair of boots (can be seen alongside the chair) Exhibit 5 ) are the boots. Room No. 3 Photo 38 I found room with outside door inside door windows with heavy curtains one bed, blankets,, sheets, a gas heater A table with glass top- a floor mat. Newspapers were found in room Newspaper cutting (No fear of broadcast) Also book on Algeria. Those were on table (can be seen on photo). Kitchen has two tables 3 chairs pots and pans one cardboard box with sheets, towels etc. New material in packets NOT opened. In pantry is cupboard with tinned foods. Photo 37 shows kitchen tin visible shows bread tin some bread had been out, but was already mildewed. Also broken plate on floor As I found it. On table next to wall are books on chess Also chess board. House searched for F.Prints Possession taken of all things found in room. In backyard a distance to S. side I found petrol drum cut open on tip. Paper ash + 12 deep was inside. Among ash I found torn docs, which I later put together again. These have

24 been handed in. Drum is BOT shown on Photo 34 it was further to right. Two drums are gas drums- gas stove in kitchen On I went to Mountain View accompanied by other police. Certain receipts were handed to me by Mrs. K. There were 5 receipts for rent of outside cottage R40-00 p.m. For April to August. I also searched that house. In kitchen was a fridge, stove, wash basin other articles handed in M.1 M.2 etc. (I mentioned these yesterday). In sitting room I found tables easy chairs 2 beds and cardboard screens for light (M7). Three maps showing part of Basutoland, etc (M12, 13 etc). Heavy curtains in front of window dark brown material similar to Travallyn. Exhibit M25 Exhibit M25 is receipts I have referred to. (Receipts in favour of Bronkhorst). RIVONIA Room No. 1 Referred to yesterday. Room No. 2 R34 (Distribution box). Room No. 3 R R56 62 R R (Also Exhibit 6 (Sample of land mine) Room No. 4 - R10 R11 R13 R47 51 R54 55 R R230 Goldreich's car: R1 R4 5 R8 9 R27 R 33 R41 46

25 0.23 R R195 (Al. pipe) Taunus car: R182 Lounge of Mani House: R32 R Studio: R2 3 R6 R18 25 R Main Bed Room? R Dining Room: R Kitchen: R194 (3 Al. Rods) Cupboard in Passage: R233 Coal Shed: R14 17 R40 R64 70 R72 99 R231 ADJOURNMENT Store Room: R35 38 TRAVALLYN: All exhibits found were handed in. Also Exhibit 8. MOUNTAIN VIEW: M1 M25 All found there. Other exhibits found there have not been handed in. 6 pairs of Rubber gloves These were in Room No. 4 Rivonia (But see below changed to Room No,. 3) Exhibit R241 These are Exhibit R241 A typewriter found in lounge of main building. Exhibit R242 Olivetti Exhibit R242. Exhibit R243 In Store room I found 4 packets of quarto size typing paper. Exhibit R244 In Room 3, I found 18 red finger tips made of rubber. Exhibit R245 Also a stapler and two packets of staples.

26 Exhibit R246 Also a packet of foolscap typing paper (unused). Exhibit R247 Also a packet if unused was sheets. Exhibit R248 Also Two small size duplicating machines operated by hand. Six rubber gloves were found in Room No. 3 NOT Room No. 4. Exhibit R249 One pair of red rubber gloves were found in Room No. 4 Exhibit R250 Also Two typewriters in Room 4 Smith Corona and Underwood. Exhibit R251 Also spare drum of roneo machine. Exhibit R252 Also stock of typing paper, roneo paper, envelopes some of boxes had NOT yet been opened. Big boxes were opened by me. (14 cartons of stationery) AT TRAVALLYN 0.24 Exhibit T61 Pair of white cotton gloves. Exhibit T62 2 packets of typing or roneo paper )quarto and foolscap size) similar to paper at Rivonia. I remember the tape found at Rivonia. It was played Exhibit R153 back in my presence. Played over 3 times (Exhibit R153). At the time it was played over I had record of broadcast by Sisulu (R60). I listened to the tape and heard that it was voice of Sisulu, and that words on Page 2 of exhibit, the same as the tape. Another person spoke before Sisulu After he spoke, some person spoke again. I thought it was the voice of Accd. No. 4, but I am not 100% certain. I have NOT spoken to him very much. I know No. 2 s voice very well it is his voice on tape. BY CRT: Do you have any evidence of a person who heard radio. BY YUTAR: No, We had evidence. But is has been lost. Exhibit R121 A number of used was sheets at Rivonia were roneoed in my presence on the machine before Crt. (R239). The following documents came out: R121A - Central coms, of S.A.C.P. R121B - Rev. way out. R121C - Officers in the Com. Movement. R121D - June 26th. Freedom Day.

27 I know No. 1 Accd since He was a member of the A.N.C. He was President of Transvaal A.N.C. I saw him at meetings addressing them among others A.N.C. meetings. He had different offices during that period. First he was near Mag. Crt. with Oliver Tambo. Also at offices of A.N.C. on different occasions. They had 4 or 5 offices during that period. Macosa House is the last office occupied by A.N.C. before ban. viz. April He disappeared from JBC. during April I next saw him on 14 August I looked for him during period but could not find him. When I saw him he looked like photo B1 he does not look that now. Accd. No. 1 I have known him since He was a member of the A.N.C. I attended meetings where he was speaker. I saw him on many occns. at offices of A.N.C. Also knew him at one stage as Secy. Gnl. of A.N.C. I had never seen him like he looked on Photo B2. I found it difficult to recognise him. Accd. No. 3 I never knew him. I knew him on paper NOT his face. Photo 3 at bottom was as he was. Accd.No. 4 I have seen him before. I knew him as he is now. Not as was on day of the raid. viz. Photo 4 I had seen him at JBC a few years ago at A.N.C. Meeting. I also have knowledge that he is a listed Communist. Accd. No. 5 I have known since Never by the name of Pedro. He belonged to Tvl. Indian Congress. Tvl. Indian Congress Youth League. (He was a member of the Executive Council). Also know he is a listed Communist. Never saw him like on photo. Accd No. 6 I have known him since Listed communist. I also knew him as a member of C.O.D. Roelvert handed list of documents to me found at No. 5 s 0.

28 0.26 house. Other documents were handed to me. CV CY CW CZ CX Lionel Bernstein is married to Hilda Watts. Article written in magazine S.A. in Russia appears to be by his wife. She is only Hilda Watts I know. She is a listed Communist. Accd No. 7 I have seen him previously. He is a listed Communist. Photos of him at time of arrest are shown. Accd No. 9 I know him since He is a listed Communist. I have seen him at A.N.C. Meetings where he also acted as speaker. B9 is a photo of him. Accd No. 10 I know him also. Since I have seen him often at A.N.C. Meetings. Often addressed meetings. Photo on B10. Goldreich Not known before - He was known to SB on paper. Wolpe I know him well. A listed Communist. First Gazetted /3. He was one appeared on first list found. He was often at Crt. when people were charged with political offence. Ezra I have never seen him before. Known on paper. First I have seen him before. I cannot say I saw him at meetings. I have seen him in company of communists. He is known to SB. Harmel I know him since 1952 he is a named Communist. Often in company of other listed Communists.

29 0.27 Bob Hepple He was known to SB on paper. That is photo of him at time of arrest. Jack Hodgson I have known since A listed Communist. A member of C.O.D. I know his wife. Also a listed Communist. Rica Hodgson. Ronnie Kaanis I don t know him. Moses Kotane He is a listed Communist. Often seen him with other listed Communists. He was Secy. of S.A.C.P. when it was banned. He left the country at beginning of Arthur Letale I have seen him before. With A.N.C. people in JBC. He was from Kimberley before he left for Basutoland. He is giving sign of A.N.C. on photo. Makiwane I know him as a member of A.N.C. He addressed meetings I attended. He left in I have not seen him since I have seen correspondence in his name. He was representative of A.N.C. in Cairo. At present, from documents, etc. he is in Dar-Es-Salaam. He goes under the name of Xolo (his second name). S.B. MARRS I know him well. A listed Communist. After banning of C.P. he went over to A.N.C. He held position on executive of A.N.C. Photo was taken by a newspaper during speech that. Johannes Modise (Joe Modise): Member of the A.N.C. I attended many meetings, He addressed meetings. Last saw him at beginning of 1963 at office of No. 2. He was on couch. NO. 5 ON COUCH WITH ARM ARTOUND HIM. Nokwe was on other side. Just before Nokwe fled.

30 0.28 No. 24 (Billy Mair). I don t know him. Duma Nokwe Since At one stage Secy. Gnl. of A.N.C. He addressed many A.N.C. meetings. Robert Resha Since On executive committee of A.N.C. Youth League. I attended many meetings at which he was speaker. Just before banning he was chief volunteer of A.N.C. Section that used to attend meetings in uniform. He is known as Robbie. Joe Slovo Since A listed Communist. Husband of Ruth First. Also a listed Communist (She is person I referred to as Tillie Julius). His wife was Editress of New Age (Northern Edn), Also editress of Fighting talk banned in March last year. She was a member of C.O.D. Slovo also. Oliver Tambo Member of A.N.C. I attended meetings which he addressed. At one stage he was on the executive of A.N.C. Often saw him in offices of A.N.C. before he fled in He was a partner of No. w Accd, as Atty. He is referred to as T.R. ORT and O in correspondence. According to correspondence he is sometimes in London and sometimes in Af. states. Ben Turok Member of C.O.D. He was Secy. Gnl. of C.O.D. Often seen him with listed Communists, members of the A.N.C. and T.I.C. Many times in offices of A.M.C. Also in offices of Accd. No. 2. Still saw him there shortly before his arrest in He was charged with explosion in Jeppe St., Post Office. I was present when he was arrested. (Item 35). Cecil Williams He is a listed Communist. Attached to C.O.D. He was a member of Springbok Legion. Often saw him with listed Communists. Last saw him at his flat then 1962 Rica

31 0.15 Hodgson was at that time with him in his flat. He fled afterwards. James Radebe A member of the A.N.C. I attended many meetings which he addressed as speaker. Saw him at offices of A.N.C. Photos in Exhibit B taken on day of arrest. No. 4 - sitting room I am showing sitting at desk and writing. I am making lists of docs. Handed to me by other members of force. No. 5 Also where I was sitting shows certain exhibits. No. 7 Portion of room No. 1 shows food on table. Bottom portion shows beds and mattresses. Nos. 11 and 12 - shows how rooms were found. No. 12 shows tin on which Rautenbach said Wolpe s Exhibit R188 print was found. (Exhibit R188), No. 13 shows same room more towards the right. On top of the is part of the documents found there organisers call to Indian people on left side was sketch plans of house. Photos up to 18 show how rooms were found. Photo 22 is open coal shed between rooms. Photo 23 writing on wall I think it is Zoro viz. against the wall on outside. Photo No knowledge of this. What can you tell about Congress Alliance--- Knowledge from meetings Chairman said what it was who it represents A.N.C., C.O.D.,.A.I.C., C.P.C., (S.A.C.P.C.), S.A.C.T.U. At these meetings, members of organisations acted as speakers and sais they represented the particular organisations. BY CRT. : What was said at these meetings?--- The only speeches were what you hear at A.N.C. meetings S.A.C.T.U. meetings about unjust laws (?) About apartheid A pound a day (Trade Unions) Pass books Group Areas (T.I.C.) Any suggestions as to how to solve problems---- Always resolutions to stand together act as a united body. I don t k now Petrus Molefe only on paper.

32 0.30 Indrus Naidoo A member of T.I.C. 2 P.M. Ramotsi I did NOT know him just on paper. Vandeyar Knew only on paper. ADJOURNMENT THREE ACTS OF SABOTAGE Item 96 Power pylons Noordgesig p.m. on , I, with van Dyk (Inspector of Explosives) went to power line between Noordgesig and New Canada. Found high explosive charges on one poles. 6 charges on each legs were 4 sticks of dynamite. On cross bar were 2 charges. Charge including those that went off Amtd to 24 6 per pole. Fuse brought. 25 sticks removed by Van Dyk in my presence. At scene I found a brown glove (Gentleman s leather) and black cotton lady s glove. Cig. box with President Cigs. One cig. half burnt. A few burned matches. Page of Star from Also brown paper were picked up. 3 pylons were damaged. NO ARRESTS. NO breaks in circuit. Item Also went with van Dyk that Sunday. Wire netting fence, around the depots, was lifted up at a point. Were tracks of foot prints. Also yellow powder Van Dyk removed the powder. I found 2 pieces of fuse which had burned. I found steel ladder to one of the tanks was damaged

33 0.31 by explosion (100,000 gal. petrol). Tank was dented at side of explosion. One piece of steel from explosion was picked up 50 yds. from there. +12 into ground. NO ARRESTS 5 tanks what I learned, each was 100,000gal. Item 72 Power line Orlando Also with Van Dyk same day two of the foot holes of pylon were damaged. Two pieces of concrete + (h?) yds away. I picked up dial of a 60 min. clock - also, thin bell wire Also 2 point plug. Pylon did not fall over. NO ARRESTS XAC We will be ready by Friday. I took possession of all documents at Rivonia. Police officers brought re documents and I made list in my presence I saw there they took them from. Documents which I took in possession I saw where thing were taken from. It was in my presence. NO documents found which I did NOT see. All in my presence. I have put docs from Rivonia, Travallyn, and M. View - Also many other docs. I have not put in. I made lists in rooms where they were discovered. I did NOT make lists at time of discovery. I made a list on night of 11th. NOT on 12th (at time) I made a list in my office a few days later. Each rooms documents I put in containers and containers were marked. Not all containers are available for inspection. Some have been broken, Only had numbers of rooms NOT documents. On 11th made notes of all docs., except those from Room 1 which I put in paper bag. I made notes of all docs., apart from those in Room 1. I took them and put them in a paper bag. Bag is an exhibit. I will produce notes that I made at the time.

34 0.32 These notes were all made on the 11th, at Rivonia. That is all. Only notes I made on 11th. in regard to documents. I made no lists of other exhibits as far as I can remember those were the only exhibits. On 12th. I put exhibits in containers. Put notes on those. Some of them not here. Later made notes in regard to exhibits of 12th. I produce those notes: At Travallyn No notes also put into containers later made notes of docs. In containers which I produce. At Mountain View I just made a list of clothing. Nothing else. Other articles were handed to other members of force. Handwritten document (5 pages) Typed document with (red) 3 on top. List was in writing I had it typed. I made lists a few days later from contents of containers. Date 11th on top of list is a mistake. Lists given o you are NOT all for T.R. and M.V. Documents. There are some docs. from Rivonia which do not appear on lists. I have articles in containers which have NOT been handed in. Only documents in my writing is 5 page doc. Others were made a few days later in my writing I had them typed checked and destroyed. I will try to get lists can t say that I will be able to get all lists. A/G s staff took my lists I made a list of all documents a few days later I will do my best to find lists. I have not got all the lists. Lists I have got here are NOT comprehensive Some of lists are complete but others are not.

35 0.33 Room No. 3 is complete - B Handwritten one of Goldreich s dwelling - A. Room No. 1 is complete - C. Coal Shed is complete - D. Store Room is complete - E. Travallyn is complete -F. Studio is complete - G. Room Y is complete - H. A.G. s car - - I. If any are not complete I will tell you. I am attaching to Travallyn List, the list of documents found in the petrol drum. That is all of lists I have. They are NOT complete in respect of all rooms. Ones handed in are complete for those rooms. G Studio List is a duplicate of part of a handwritten list. Mountain View is not complete in regard to clothes. These lists comprise ALL documents found, including those NOT put into evidence. I made note of document found on No. 2 2/3 days later when I made up lists. I searched No. 5 I did NOT find any docs., of any importance on him. Cheque books and money etc. I searched all his pockets. I think he was wearing a suit of clothes. I cannot say is he had a pocket on shirt. XAC DIRKER Box 1355 Box belongs to Ruth First I saw correspondence in New Age with that box number on it. Two occns One in March. One in August. One is R.F. s pseudonym I have information to this effect. Could anybody who uses box, but that was NOT my information. Took some accd. to rooms. Took No. 2 and 7 to Rooms 1 5, Took No. 5 to Room No. 1. Also Hepple to room 1 5. I took him to room 5 first then backwards to room No. 1.

36 0.34 I have referred to notes of exhibition in possession of Dr. Yutar before Not these notes. Only list I looked at was exhibits of various rooms Also Travallyn lists. Only notes of exhibits were those in main house. I made notes you have in your hand. Also notes of 2 and 7 at time. Also notes if Goldreich taken I took him through outbuildings. Also other notes except notes made on paper bag. Statement by Hepple that he was in Room No. 1, was made while I was in room No, 1 with them other police were in room can t say who was there Mr. K. may have been there. I was in the room when police arrived I know nothing of contents. I did not read notes back to Hepple. I gave H. the usual warning. I gave him his usual warning. I have NOT mentioned it before. Did not read notes back or give him opportunity of correcting it. I made notes of what No. 2 said. I did not read notes back. I did not arrest No. 2. He made statement to me when I searched him. Same said by No. 7 He gave same reply. When I went to room No. 1 with Hepple I had not yet taken possession of docs. When I came to room with No. 5 I took possession of docs. in room. Those are docs, found by Kennedy and mine. Kennedy and I kept documents separate. K. marked his documents as having been found in room No. 1 with initials. I put documents into bag marked bag NOT document. I put operation M with other documents in bag without marking documents itself. I did NOT tell K. that it was not necessary to mark documents. Exhibits R189 and 193

37 and 193 are bottles I think room No. 3 All four were found in Room No bottles contained benzene. Bottles are before the Court. Two are ordinary brandy bottle type two are flasks. I can t remember if found in different parts of room. If I have to guess there is a shelf against wall I think some bottles found there. Can t say which once were found on rack. I took possession of bottles on 12th AFTER photos had been taken. I was NOT present when photos taken I did NOT remove anything before photo taken. I referred to photos pointed out B10 two bottles behind radio. I can t say those bottles are before Crt. I don t see the large bottles on photo. B 10 is the only portion of room - rack is not shown on photo. I can t say whether articles were in same position when I entered room. I can t say if bottles were in that position. I can t say those two bottles were there at time I entered or any time on 11th. NOR can I say that large bottles were in room. PUTS: No shelf in Room No. 3. A. There was a shelf. Also a shelf in Room No. 4. There was a shelf in Room No, 3 I removed documents from there. I can t say what was on the shelf. There was a shelf. I took exhibits from shelf. I cannot say what exhibits I took from shelf. I put bottles in a cardboard box and marked box with room number. Carton is not here. Many of cartons got broken up. Yesterday I traced a box it shows note Room No. 4 I did NOT mark on carton what I had found in room. I made full list of all exhibits. Raid was on Thursday. I searched on Friday. From Monday I made lists when I had opportunities. I made list (re bottles) in first week after raid. Made it from