VANDERBURGH COUNTY COUNCIL BUDGET HEARINGS AUGUST 2, 2016

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1 The Vanderburgh County Council met in session this 2nd day of August, 2016 in room 301 of the Civic Center Complex. The meeting was called to order at 9:02 a.m. by Vanderburgh County Council President, Angela Koehler Lindsey. President Koehler Lindsey: Good morning. We re going to go ahead and call to order our very first budget hearing meeting for the 2017 Vanderburgh County budget. We would like attendance roll call, please. COUNCILMEMBER PRESENT ABSENT Councilmember Terry X Councilmember Bassemier X Councilmember Shetler X Councilmember Goebel X Councilmember Raben X Councilmember Montrastelle X President Koehler Lindsey President Koehler Lindsey: We re all here, so, we have seven members present, zero absent, we do have a quorum, and we will begin our hearings at this point. X PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE & INVOCATION President Koehler Lindsey: We re going to start with the Pledge of Allegiance by Councilman Montrastelle, and I will do the Invocation. Please rise. (The Pledge of Allegiance and Invocation were given.) OPENING REMARKS BY PRESIDENT KOEHLER LINDSEY President Koehler Lindsey: Alright, a few remarks before we begin. I just want to say thank you to everyone for being here this morning. A special thank you to Mrs. Teri Lukeman, Mrs. Sarah Nunn in our office for the countless hours of compiling information for us. To Brian Gerth, to Kathy Glaser and the entire staff of the Auditor s Office. It s kind of a thankless job, so, I do want to start by saying thank you, and we appreciate this. This is a process, is what I like to call it, that begins today with us hearing from officeholders on what their idea is for the budget for next year. So, we re going to take two days to listen to each department, we re going to have some questions to ask, and then we go from there. This process continues next month with the, we will take all of this information, we ll digest it, and we ll look at the numbers, and then starting next month, at our September meeting, it s up to us, our charge is to make cuts, to make your wishes fit with what we actually think we re going to have. Then, we need to be done by this process by the first, I think the second day in November. So, it s a process that takes time, and it takes a lot of cooperation from all parties. We are still looking at, from preliminary estimates, just another challenging budget year. I believe I talked to one of the officeholders last week, and they said, well, is anything getting easier? I said, nope, it s not. We re still looking at property tax caps; we re looking at projected increases in insurance. Brian, I believe you figured in 12 percent?

2 Page 2 of 41 Brian Gerth: Yes, that s correct. President Koehler Lindsey: Okay, so, and again, you hate to use the word guess, so, I think estimate is probably a better word, that, at this point, our estimate is we could see a 12 percent increase in insurance. We hope to have those numbers, we ll definitely have them before the end of the process, but when we start, we never know exactly what it s going to be. We can just look at estimates from last year. We know that the cuts are going to probably have to be made somewhere in the range of $3.5 million from what is submitted, to what actually we re going to be able to look at with the General Fund. So, between now and the first part of September, we re going to look at what the officeholders have submitted, and then take that into account and cut. We really appreciate, officeholders and department heads, we appreciate your assistance in this. I think we ve done a great job over the last few years working together, because you all know your budgets better than we do. It s your office. So, you know which line items you can do without. You know where you can make cuts. We appreciate that all working together to just keep us within that frame that we have. If you are haven t spoken with your Council liaison, each department head does have a liaison Council, if you have questions, start there, and then, you know, Mrs. Lukeman and Mrs. Nunn are in our office at all times. So, go to them. We know too that our supplemental funds are going to be critical, as in years past. Several departments have funds that are outside the General Fund, and those funds we definitely count on that to balance the budget and to make the numbers work so that we can have the best running government for our taxpayers, at the lowest cost. So, we re going to need to use all of those available supplemental funds again in 2017, just to make all of the ends meet, and to help relieve the General Fund. Just, again, we appreciate everyone s assistance in creating and crafting a fiscally responsible budget. At this point we are going to look at the individual department budgets. I will turn it over to you, sir, Councilman Raben. COOPERATIVE EXTENSION SERVICE COOPERATIVE EXTENSION SERVICE/COIT Councilmember Raben: Okay, thank you, and very well said. President Koehler Lindsey: Thank you. Councilmember Raben: So, we all know what s in front of us this week, and we ve got a rather lengthy agenda today and tomorrow, so, let s get moving. First, under page 20 is Co-Op Extension Services. As everyone comes up, I would ask them to speak their name for the record. Susan Plassmeier: Good morning. I am is this on? I am Susan Plassmeier with the County Extension Service. Councilmember Raben: Okay, are there any questions of this budget? On their regular budget? It looks like a modest, about a three quarter of a percent increase. Okay, none? We ll move on to page 88. While the other budget reflected a less than one percent increase, you ll notice this budget represents almost a 12 percent decrease. Are there any questions of page 88? Susan Plassmeier: I see a flat line. Councilmember Raben: No, no, never mind. I m sorry, it s flat. Susan Plassmeier: Yeah. Councilmember Raben: No, it s not.

3 Page 3 of 41 Councilmember Terry: Yeah, it s Councilmember Raben: Yeah, Co-Op Extension is flat. Councilmember Terry: Co-Op Extension is flat. President Koehler Lindsey: Co-Op Extension is flat, yep. Councilmember Raben: Are there any questions of page 88, Co-Op Extension? None? Susan, that was pretty easy. Thank you. Susan Plassmeier: I like that. Thank you. Councilmember Bassemier: Very good budget. President Koehler Lindsey: Thank you. Well, and you all can blame the smaller book on me. You know how I fuss about using too much paper, so, we re printed on both sides, and bring your reading glasses and we ll all be good. Councilmember Raben: Yeah, it, while it s going to take a little time to get used to, I like it. TREASURER TREASURER/ELECTED OFFICIALS TRAINING TREASURER/COIT Councilmember Raben: Okay, County Treasurer, page five. Good morning. Susan Kirk: Good morning. Councilmember Raben: State your name for record. Susan Kirk: Susan Kirk. Councilmember Raben: Okay, I ll give everyone a moment to look over page five. Are there any questions of page five for the County Treasurer? No questions? Councilmember Bassemier: Another good budget. Councilmember Raben: Okay, we ll move on to page 76. Susan Kirk: And I ve already made a cut, because I did not fill a position. So, I ve already donated this year. Councilmember Bassemier: Looks good, Susie. Susan Kirk: Okay. We re done? Councilmember Raben: Well, we ve got page 76. Let s just make sure there s no questions on 76. Any questions of Susie on page 76? Okay, then we ll move on to page 87, that s the COIT side. Any questions on the COIT piece? Councilmember Bassemier: Susie, you say you cut an employee? Susan Kirk: I did already. I had an employee retire and I did not fill that position. So, we re already gaining money. I had told Council, when they were building Voter Registration, that you would get your money back. That s what I was referring to, is I did not fill that position. So, going into, well, already this year you re saving a little bit, but next year you ll save the whole salary. Councilmember Bassemier: So, you re not going to fill it in the future?

4 Page 4 of 41 Susan Kirk: No. Councilmember Bassemier: Okay, thanks. Councilmember Raben: Okay, well, Susie, thank you. Susan Kirk: Thank you. Councilmember Raben: We will move on. CORONER Councilmember Raben: Next is the Coroner s Office, page 13. Good morning, Annie. Annie Groves: Good morning, Annie. Councilmember Raben: If you would state your name for the record? Annie Groves: Annie Groves, Coroner. Councilmember Raben: Okay, we are on page 13, is there, I ll give everybody a moment to run through here. The few items that I would call attention to is the Autopsy account, and the Transport account, represents the, well, along with the Solid Waste, you know, not speaking for Annie here, but I think Annie is doing what she feels she needs to do for this budget, because we, every year we come back and have to re-appropriate funds in these line items, but we re trying to get below the levy. So, you know, we end up scaling these back every year, and then address them later in the year. So, are there any questions? Annie is here to tell us that we re going to run short in these lines, I m sure, particularly in the Autopsy side. Annie Groves: Yes, we are. Councilmember Raben: I would be interested in hearing how we re running this year? Annie Groves: Well, I m going to have to come back for Autopsies. Councilmember Raben: Okay, well, then we can pick that up at our next meeting. Annie Groves: What we usually do is, because we re not allowed to have that nonreverting fund, we put into the General Fund, and so you normally let me have what revenue we receive from the General Fund back into the Autopsy budget. Councilmember Raben: Are there any questions of page 13? President Koehler Lindsey: Yes, we have a couple of questions. Councilman Goebel? Then I have one. Councilmember Goebel: I was just wondering, you have some requested increases, but is that because of the heavier case load now and numbers? Annie Groves: Yes, unfortunately. Councilmember Goebel: What percentage? Or, do you have any idea how high, much higher we are running now with your workload? Annie Groves: Yeah. We are how many more from last year? This is Steve Lockyear, my Chief Deputy.

5 Page 5 of 41 Steve Lockyear: We are running, from a ten year to our 12-year period we were getting about 600 cases called into the office. Last year we got 1,800 called into the office. So, triple, and they all require attention, and they all require some level of investigation on all of them. Councilmember Goebel: An, you re called in for Steve Lockyear: The issue we have are we have two trauma centers here. If you re hurt in an accident in Henderson, you re coming to Evansville. It becomes our case. So, some months, a third to half of our cases are from out of the county. It does negatively impact. We can bill in the State of Indiana and recuperate those costs, but not the other states, and most of them are coming from Illinois and Kentucky. Councilmember Goebel: With the increase pretty drastic, has your budget reflected that? Or, is it pretty Annie Groves: No, I think that it s a pretty fair budget. It only went up; it didn t go up that much. However, I m trying to do a fair budget so that whomever is there next year doesn t have to keep coming back, because it will not be me. So, I m trying to do a fair budget for whoever comes in and takes over. Councilmember Goebel: That s good. And I think, it s hard to predict what the caseload will be. Annie Groves: Yeah, and we can only estimate. Councilmember Goebel: Thank you. Councilmember Raben: Okay, any other questions? Councilman Bassemier? Councilmember Bassemier: Steve, do you have any problems with that nine-yearold vehicle you have? Steve Lockyear: Well, that s the newest one we have. Councilmember Bassemier: Okay. Steve Lockyear: So, I assume that, we have a 2002 truck, and I m not sure, yours is a 2000, I think. So, all of the vehicles are extremely old. So, that will probably have to be addressed in the future. We re looking and trying to figure out how we can, we can maybe lump one through the Sheriff s Office, Purchasing or something that we could get the cost way down. I know, the increase on the Bio Hazard waste, is due, we collect narcotics off the street. People are allowed to bring them in. The Sheriff s Office and the Evansville Police Department have that program also. However, they cannot accept liquids, because the box is not manned. We man our box, they re only allowed to do it during the day, so, we take sharps, syringes, and liquid narcotics. Those are pretty prevalent when people have cancer and stuff like that. We get those off the street, and I think one week we took 68 pounds of those off the street. Councilmember Raben: Okay, thank you very much. Annie Groves: Thank you. Councilmember Raben: We will move on. WEIGHTS & MEASURES Councilmember Raben: Page 25, Weights and Measures.

6 Page 6 of 41 Loretta Townsend: Loretta Townsend, Weights and Measures. Councilmember Raben: Good morning. Okay, any questions of Loretta? Let s see, this budget is pretty consistent with last year. It looks like it there may be a couple hundred-dollar increase and that s it. Loretta Townsend: It s $400 more. Councilmember Raben: Okay. Are there any questions of Loretta? Ed? Councilmember Bassemier: (Inaudible. Microphone not on.) She s got an employee (Inaudible). Isn t that right, Loretta? Loretta Townsend: Yeah, I have three Inspectors, which, I ll tell you one thing, I wouldn t trade one of them for any of them that the city or county s got. I know there s some people back there that s got Inspectors, but still, because for them to do everything that they do, do, it takes a heck of a guy, you know. Now, I have one who is exceptional, he makes a dollar less on an hour than the other two do. Which, I don t ever want to lose him, because he s very good. You know, they do have the option of bidding out into another job. He does have a family. He doesn t want to leave there, and he s not mentioned that he will leave there, but I just want to be sure that, he deserves the same amount that the other two get, because he s good and he does do his job very well. So, where do I start? With you guys, I guess? Councilmember Bassemier: (Inaudible). Councilmember Raben: Job Study. President Koehler Lindsey: Job Study. You would have to get with Teri and it would have to come before our Job Study, and then we can look at that and decide, you know, what the best is going to be. Loretta Townsend: Well, we had one to retire. No one else would bid in, because our guys made less money than what they did, and they wouldn t come to our department. President Koehler Lindsey: Okay. Loretta Townsend: So, you know, and what they do is manual. I mean, you re talking about lifting weights, you re talking about gas cans. Next week I ve got it set up where they re going to be doing the big gasoline delivery trucks, and that kind of stuff, it s a hundred gallon at a time. I mean, these guys work, and it s not cool out there either. President Koehler Lindsey: No, it s not. Loretta Townsend: If you would, yeah. If you ll help me, my little liaison. Okay? Councilmember Raben: Okay. President Koehler Lindsey: Alright. Councilmember Raben: Okay. Any other questions of Loretta? None? Well, thank you. Loretta Townsend: That s scary, Jim. Councilmember Raben: I know, I know. Councilmember Shetler: Jim, not a question, but just, you know, to mention that those are Teamster employees, and that goes by the contract. So, I guess, probably we would start with the Commissioners on the next contract thing, but

7 Page 7 of 41 that all has to do with an hourly base rate and then their bumped up after longevity and stuff like that. So, that s where that begins. Loretta Townsend: Yeah, we know that, but we want to see if we can t do something. If the answer is no, at least we tried, you know. So, okay. Councilmember Raben: That is true. We ll look into it. Loretta Townsend: Okay, thanks. SURVEYOR SURVEYOR S MAP FUND SURVEYOR S CORNER PERPETUAL FUND SURVEYOR/ELECTED OFFICIALS TRAINING Councilmember Raben: Okay, page 12, Surveyor. Jeff Mueller: Good morning. Jeff Mueller, County Surveyor. I know you re going to be talking about four funds, so I gave you a little short sheet that might answer any questions. It talks about all four funds that we ll be discussing. Councilmember Raben: Alright, well, it looks as if the, on your General Fund piece of it, page 12, it looks like the only increase is within the salary lines. In fact, it looks like your supply accounts are down slightly. Jeff Mueller: We cut Fuel by 20 percent to reflect decreases in fuel pricing. Councilmember Raben: We ll move to page 61. That remains the same, at a firm $500. Probably no questions with that one. Let s go to page 74. This is the Perpetual Fund. It looks like that amount remains the same as last year as well. Jeff Mueller: Yes. Councilmember Raben: Any questions on page 74? None? We ll move to page 76. President Koehler Lindsey: Mr. Chairman? Councilmember Raben: Yes? President Koehler Lindsey: Going back to your Corner Perpetuation Fund, how many employees are paid out of that Fund? Jeff Mueller: Half of a full time employee, plus our Special Deputy. That s just a part time job. President Koehler Lindsey: So, one (1) part time and then half (1/2) of a full time? Jeff Mueller: Yes. President Koehler Lindsey: How long have you been doing that? Jeff Mueller: It s been; it was started before I got in office. President Koehler Lindsey: Okay, so this is just kind of a normal occurrence with your office? Jeff Mueller: Yes. President Koehler Lindsey: That part of your employees are funded out of your Perpetuation Fund?

8 Page 8 of 41 Jeff Mueller: Yes. President Koehler Lindsey: Alright, thank you. Jeff Mueller: I don t know, like I said, I don t know when it was started, but it was started before me. President Koehler Lindsey: Alright. Jeff Mueller: But, yeah, $20,000 towards, it s half the salary of one employee, and then $6,800 towards the Special Deputy, which is a licensed Surveyor. President Koehler Lindsey: Great, thank you. Councilmember Raben: Okay, on page 76 it looks like there s two items. One is Travel/Mileage and the other is Elected Officials Training. Will you be needing additional training this year? Or in 17 is there required training? Councilmember Raben: Are you talking about out of the Elected Official, or out of the Corner Perpetuation? Councilmember Raben: Well, out of the Perpetuation Fund it looks like there is two requests for Surveyor, Travel/Mileage, and Elected Officials Training. Am I seeing that correct? Jeff Mueller: Let me see. Councilmember Raben: On page 76. Jeff Mueller: My page numbers may not be the same as yours. Hold on just a second here. Teri Lukeman: There s just the one (1) line item. Councilmember Raben: Just the one? Teri Lukeman: Uh-huh. Councilmember Raben: Okay. Teri Lukeman: I think what you re seeing at the bottom of the page is the total of all departments within that Fund. Councilmember Raben: I didn t see an account number change for the training piece of it. Is there not a $2,000 request for Elected Officials Training/County Surveyor? Jeff Mueller: Yes, and that s for me. Councilmember Raben: Okay. Jeff Mueller: For any travel that I would do, which that is usually, it covers the Road School, the IDEM Storm Water School, Farm Bureau s Drainage School, and any other things that I might go to. Normally I don t spend that $2,000, but it s usually over a thousand. Councilmember Raben: Okay, so, I guess, my question was that s not in the Perpetuation Fund, that s going to be, that s a different budget, correct? Okay. Councilmember Montrastelle: Jeff, did you attend all three of those this past year? Jeff Mueller: Yes, I always attend those. They re, those things, you pick up, sometimes the class itself is, you know, you never know which classes are good and which ones aren t until you sit in them. What happens in the hallway is where you get a lot of the stuff. I mean, it s not unusual for me to meet with people from

9 Page 9 of 41 IDEM, from DNR. I think, for example, we have a deal with DNR right now with some of our regulated drains, and we re also having discussions with DNR on some issues with Pigeon Creek. A lot of those contacts help out quite a bit. The Farm Bureau Drainage School, which will be coming up in a couple of weeks, is probably one of the best drainage schools that s put on, and it s put on at a very nominal cost. I think it s $75, plus whatever, you know, just getting up there and back. Purdue Road School, that is two, three days, because there s a Surveyor s meeting there, is actually free other than transportation and hotel. IDEM s Storm Water Conference, again, I think is $50, plus, you know, just getting up there and back. You know, so, we re not talking about, you know, going out of state and spending a bunch of money or anything like that. Councilmember Raben: Right. Jeff Mueller: They re very cost effective. Councilmember Raben: Okay. Councilmember Goebel: I just want to say thanks for requesting a lowering for your Fuel to reflect current prices. That s good. Jeff Mueller: Okay, thank you, Mr. Goebel. Councilmember Raben: Okay, any other questions of Jeff? None? We ll move on. Thank you. Jeff Mueller: Thank you. COUNTY CLERK ELECTION OFFICE COUNTY CLERK IV-D CLERK/ELECTED OFFICIALS TRAINING Councilmember Raben: Let s move on to page one, County Clerk. Looks like we have a Debbie Stucki: Good morning. Councilmember Raben: I think it s going to represent, possibly, a step increase or two, but only a slight increase of about $2,500 or so on this budget. Are there any questions of the County Clerk for page one? If not, we ll move to 18, the Election Office. Debbie Stucki: There s no election next year. Councilmember Raben: There s nothing in this for next year. Councilmember Goebel: That s good to see. Debbie Stucki: Yes. Councilmember Raben: Yeah. So, we will move to IV-D, page 40. Debbie Stucki: Decreased that one just a little bit. I think the only increases in the budget was the Clerk s salary steps. Councilmember Raben: This is actually a decrease? Debbie Stucki: Yes, for Title IV. Councilmember Raben: About $2,500.

10 Page 10 of 41 Debbie Stucki: Yes. Councilmember Raben: Okay. We ll gladly accept that decrease. We ll move to page 76, which is the Training budget. Your amount, the County Clerk is $2,400. Any questions on the Elected Officials Training? None? Okay. Debbie Stucki: Thank you. Councilmember Raben: We will continue on. Thank you very much. SHERIFF (STOP DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ) JAIL SHERIFF/CCD MISDEMEANOR OFFENDER/HOUSING SHERIFF/COIT JAIL/COIT Councilmember Raben: Next, page seven, the Sheriff. Dave Wedding: Good morning. Councilmember Raben: Okay, as you can see there s some changes. Some regards to salaries, some of these lines we look at every year and we might reduce here or there, but if any of them stand out that you ve got any questions on, please speak now. The line, like Equipment as an example, $50,000, very often we move that into another account, the Riverboat. President Koehler Lindsey: Right. Question on the contract, I know this reflects a negotiated rate, where are we on that contract? Is this year two or three? Dave Wedding: Is this on the Quality Correctional Care? President Koehler Lindsey: For the salaries. Do what now? Dave Wedding: Oh, this will be our second year. President Koehler Lindsey: This is the second year, 2017 is the second year of that contract? Alright, thank you. Second year out of three, is that what it was? Dave Wedding: Correct. Councilmember Raben: Okay. Councilmember Shetler: Now, let me ask, on that contract, Jeff, and I don t know, you may want to go back and review that. If I recall, that, there was a stipulation in there about Council review on that, from time to time? I know we approved a threeyear contract. Jeff Ahlers: Yeah, as I recall, it s subject to annual appropriation. Councilmember Shetler: Right, okay. Yeah, I m talking about the FOP contract that we have in there, which is, I think out of the bulk of this half a million dollars, I may be incorrect, but it looked like that s where a lot of that is coming from. Dave Wedding: Right. Councilmember Shetler: So, okay. Councilmember Raben: Just, real quick, as we look through there, Garage and Motors, you ll see Maintenance or Contractual Services, and I d mentioned

11 Page 11 of 41 Equipment. The Garage & Motor, I think gets moved into the COIT account, does it not? Let me look at President Koehler Lindsey: Yeah, we moved it somewhere. Councilmember Raben: Yeah. President Koehler Lindsey: Is it in COIT, Brian, or do you remember? Councilmember Raben: What do we got, Fuel Teri Lukeman: Last year, or for 2016 it was in CCD. Councilmember Raben: Oh, in CCD, okay. So, that s another, those are other lines that we ll probably move into other budgets during finalization. Councilmember Goebel: The same with Fuel? Councilmember Raben: Fuel is in, Fuel was in COIT, if I remember, and it still is. It s in COIT at a quarter of a million dollars, $225,000. President Koehler Lindsey: James, what was the other one you said beside Garage & Motor? Councilmember Raben: Contractual Services. President Koehler Lindsey: And that gets moved where? Councilmember Raben: Well, we ll have to revisit that. President Koehler Lindsey: We ll have to see? Councilmember Raben: And you might want to explain the Contractual piece of that. Dave Wedding: The medical? President Koehler Lindsey: Oh, yeah. Dave Wedding: Okay, you ll see that s a fairly significant sum of money. We entered into an agreement in December of 2015 with Quality Correctional Care. So, we basically have eliminated many salary line items, but that money has been shifted over to the Contractual Services. So, it represents probably over three quarter of a million dollars for the year. That s all of their personnel and services that they will offer the inmates in the Vanderburgh County Jail. Councilmember Raben: Yeah, we might want to move this out of the Sheriff budget and into the Jail budget. It might appear cleaner, I don t know. Dave Wedding: I m fine with that. Councilmember Raben: Okay. We can look at, let s move to page 29, to the Jail piece of it. Okay, are there any questions of the page 29, spilling into page 32 of the Jail? Councilman Goebel? Councilmember Goebel: Sheriff, the removal of the would you review again with us removal of Nurse and EMT? You re saving money there, but it s being transferred into what account? Dave Wedding: Right, that would be into the Contractual Services. That s paying for the medical healthcare provider that we contracted with in December of Councilmember Goebel: Now, how is that working out so far?

12 Page 12 of 41 Dave Wedding: It s doing real well. They, we re forecasting significant savings in the future. The first year it was tough, we was trying to balance everything, but one thing they ve done for us, is providing mental health services, which is in high demand right now across the nation. We ve taken an average of 20 people that might be on suicide watch, which is very costly to us and reduce that number to about four or five. They will be working to streamline our healthcare bills and the number of people that go out for like emergency room visits. They are also looking at prescription medicines that we give to the inmates, and with 650 it s an outstanding number. So, we hope to reduce that over the next couple of years. Councilmember Goebel: A lot of the medical attention is now on-site instead of moving them to a facility? Dave Wedding: Yes, with nurses on-site it does help us reduce the number of people that we have to send off campus for care. Councilmember Goebel: That s great. Councilmember Raben: Okay, and then I ll call attention to one other line that the Sheriff says is just kind of a moving target, and that s the Out of County Housing of Inmates. This year we approved $130,000, I don t know how you re running on that, but that s an unknown. President Koehler Lindsey: Right. Councilmember Raben: I mean, if the capacity stays at levels like it is, or even grows, we may or may not need that, but, you know, that s, he s putting in a number that it could possibly be that, you know, we may need to adjust, but you can speak to that if you want. Dave Wedding: Well, we never thought that we would see the numbers at , like we ve experienced. We ve worked with the Prosecutors; we ve worked with all of the Judges. We try to do electronic house detention, but at some point we were forced to move inmates to other jails. You do have a limited number, once you go over your full capacity, that you have to make steps to clean that out. That s where we are right now. We ve had to move people off campus. Councilmember Goebel: In regard to that, because we re a larger community, have your population, since the State passed a rule that certain individuals have to remain in county jail for a year or less, how has that affected the State jail, or the prison population compared to ours? Dave Wedding: Well, what we re seeing is the inmate populations in prisons are down, but large facilities like Marion County, Allen County, St. Joe County, Vigo, Vanderburgh, all of our jail populations are on the rise. With House Bill 1006, we should see a steady increase in inmates that will be lodged in our jail, because those are people who will be serving sentences of 366 days, actual time in custody, will remain in our jail. Councilmember Goebel: The smaller communities, it s not really affected them in nearly the same negative sense? Dave Wedding: Yeah, their inmate populations are so low, you know, Vanderburgh County we have more inmates in our jail than probably the five jails that surround us. As a matter of fact, I think right now we re probably the fourth or fifth largest populated jail in the State of Indiana. Councilmember Goebel: I know you ve been very proactive, and a lot of changes and efficiencies. Are we going to try to do something State-level to get more funding to help us, the larger communities?

13 Page 13 of 41 Dave Wedding: Yes, I am meeting with people from the Department of Corrections to figure out funding sources. I think we re in need of Confinement Officers, and I m going to see if they can t free up some money to help us pay for Confinement Officers in the years to come. Councilmember Goebel: Well, thanks for the job you do under duress almost. Thank you. Councilmember Raben: Councilman Terry? Councilmember Terry: I just have a quick question, Sheriff. On the, you mentioned the medical services that are offered. Are you offering now any mental health care at all? Dave Wedding: Yes, we are starting to do mental health evaluations with Southwest Mental Health. Then the mental health provided by our healthcare provider. Councilmember Terry: Okay, thank you. Councilmember Montrastelle: Sheriff, where do you farm the prisoners out to? What other prisons? Dave Wedding: We re using Pike County and Daviess County presently. We may have to expand that. Councilmember Montrastelle: Is there an average number as far as what that costs us per day? Dave Wedding: Yeah, it s $35 per day. Now, we re not actually incurring the cost, because the Department of Corrections pays us $35 for these DOC ineligible prisoners. Councilmember Montrastelle: Right. Dave Wedding: So, but it s kind of taking the money out of Vanderburgh County that we could use, but it s not creating new costs to us. Councilmember Montrastelle: Is that what this In Custody Out of County Inmate Fund is for though? Dave Wedding: Well, that was for out of county housing, and possibly electronic house detention. We re going to see if we can t get some in custody people that are pre-trial out of jail to go to house arrest. That costs $12 per day. Councilmember Montrastelle: Okay, thank you. President Koehler Lindsey: Question, when we re transporting these inmates to the out of county facilities, where do we see that cost? Is that part of the $35 a day? Or is that an additional cost to transport? Dave Wedding: Well, it s not much cost to transport people to either Daviess or Pike Counties. It s just an hour or so trip up there. President Koehler Lindsey: Right. Dave Wedding: We can get them up there and back. President Koehler Lindsey: Okay. Dave Wedding: That s not much cost to us. The $35 is the housing fee. President Koehler Lindsey: Okay.

14 Page 14 of 41 Councilmember Raben: It s mainly just losing the manpower. Dave Wedding: Yeah, right. President Koehler Lindsey: Right. Councilmember Raben: You know, they re not on the streets, they re not protecting the citizens if they re making that drive. Okay, and then we ll turn to page 57, the CCD account. This is an account where we ll move some items out of the regular budget, like the Garage & Motor and Equipment for new vehicles and what have you. As you ll see, there s already the $250,000 that we ve moved for the last, gosh, I can t tell you how many, ten years anyway into this budget. Dave Wedding: Several, yes. Councilmember Raben: So, if there s any questions on that, I ll hear them now. If not, we ll keep moving. Okay, we will go to page 68, Misdemeanor Housing. Okay, it looks like the only real change here is with Extra Help. Are there any questions of the Sheriff on this budget? None? Okay, we will move to Sheriff/COIT, page 87. Okay, and this is the Fuel line of $225,000. Are there any questions of the Sheriff on the Fuel request? Councilmember Montrastelle: Just at how do you buy your fuel? Do you buy it in Councilmember Raben: By the gallon. Dave Wedding: Well, the Purchasing Department, they do a contract with Heritage Petroleum. So, the city and county buys it in bulk quantity, and they set a price. I don t know how long it s good for, but they usually set it, you know, at least six months in advance. So, we buy it well in advance. I think they negotiated a fairly significant reduction from the previous year, so we should see a cost saving with fuel for Councilmember Goebel: You don t know when that negotiation is going to take place? Dave Wedding: It already has. They ve got it in place. Now, I don t know what the price per gallon was, but I know it was reduced significantly. That s a city-county contract. Councilmember Goebel: I guess, what I m asking, should this then be reduced, the request? Dave Wedding: Well, I don t know if it would be reduced. What we try to do, we manage it, and I think every year we try to give back a sum of money, but I don t know if we can afford, right now, to ask for less. Councilmember Raben: I think you re on target to Regan Buchanan: Sometimes we have to come back and ask for more (Inaudible. Not at microphone.) Councilmember Raben: through June, I think the books states, I m not going to peel back, but I think you were about $109,000 or $110,000 through June. Dave Wedding: Right. Councilmember Raben: So, it s going to be pretty darn close. Dave Wedding: It stays pretty constant, yeah. Councilmember Raben: Yeah.

15 Page 15 of 41 President Koehler Lindsey: I guess, we were looking for that 20 percent decrease, like the Surveyor had. You have a few more cars than the Surveyor s Office. Dave Wedding: We ve got a lot of vehicles running 24 hours a day, you know. Councilmember Raben: Well, but if you look back, I m going to bet in 2015 you probably spent $100,000 more than what we budgeted for this year. Regan Buchanan: Usually by the end of the year we come back and ask for an appropriation. (Inaudible. Not at microphone.) Dave Wedding: We re also working something with the Judges, we re going to see if we can t do more inmate hearings in-house, versus having to load the vans up multiple times a day and bring them to the courthouse. That s a significant cost, running the vans back and forth several times a day. If we can get more in-house court hearings, that will save us as well, but, that s still a ways off. Councilmember Shetler: I think they re also buying their fuel on the futures market. Dave Wedding: Right. Councilmember Shetler: So, they lock it in. Dave Wedding: Yes. Councilmember Shetler: Then, it could be, I don t know what the market is for next year s predictions are, but it may have gone up a little bit, because we re pretty well down at a low point, or have been through most of the spring and early summer. Dave Wedding: Yes, it was. Councilmember Shetler: So, there s a good chance it s either going to, at the best it may level out, or go up slightly. Dave Wedding: Yeah. President Koehler Lindsey: But, just to confirm, I think I heard from the back that you may not have to come back for that extra fuel this year? Dave Wedding: We hope not. President Koehler Lindsey: Hopefully? Alright, we ll keep both fingers crossed and all of that. Thank you. Councilmember Raben: Okay, Sheriff, thank you. Dave Wedding: Thank you. 911 EMERGENCY SERVICE FUND Councilmember Raben: We will move on to page 63, Emergency 911 Fund. We have, it s flat from prior year. Good morning, Rodney. Rodney Buchanan: Good morning. Rodney Buchanan, Director of Evansville- Vanderburgh County Central Dispatch. One of the main reasons I came today, I know I usually don t come to the County Council sessions, but we have our Phase II of our radio upgrade project that s going to be budgeted and take place by the end of So, I put together a brief synopsis on some documents that you have in front of you. Kind of a brief explanation of where we re going in 2017 with Phase II of the radio project. Right now we re currently involved in Phase I. Support will

16 Page 16 of 41 end at the end of So, it s a must that the project is completed by then. So, I just wanted to forward an explanation to County Council, since you do have a stake in the game, as far as our projected budget for Councilmember Raben: So, it looks like the county s portion is roughly $750,000? Rodney Buchanan: Yeah, roughly. Councilmember Raben: $742,000. Councilmember Raben: Phase I, did we, I m looking back, did we pay that out of CCD? How did we fund that? Brian Gerth: We actually haven t paid it yet. It s probably going to be coming out of that 911 Capital Improvement Fund. Rodney Buchanan: Yeah, there was $1.2 million that was appropriated for Phase I, and Phase I was kind of Phase I A, and Phase I B. A being the infrastructure, as far as console replacement at Central Dispatch. Phase I B is a construction of the new tower out on Baseline Road. We just received the bids for that last week. So, we re going to be starting construction on the tower itself, hopefully, within the next month. Like I said, the console replacement, those are being built and staged in Lynchburg, Virginia as we speak. So, I don t think any billing has started, as of yet, from our vendor. So, that money is still available. Brian Gerth: They re going to bill the city, and then we re going to reimburse them our third. Rodney Buchanan: Right. Brian Gerth: I believe, excuse me, this year s cost for the county is going to be around $400,000, which we ll pay out of that 911 Fund. I think the issue for next year is, our share is going to be about $742,000. That s not in the budget. I think the thought was, maybe, you know, Jail Set Aside, or Rainy Day, or some type of funding that way. Or, if we can find it in the budget, then we ll pay it that way. Councilmember Raben: The actual 911 Fund, my thought was, it s spoken, I mean, we ve spent what s available. Although we ve not written checks, it s spoken for. Brian Gerth: It s spoken for, for this year. For next year, we re going to have to look elsewhere to find the funding for this tower. President Koehler Lindsey: So, what is that that comes out of the 911 Fund? Is that just our portion of running the Central Dispatch? Brian Gerth: Say that again, I m sorry. President Koehler Lindsey: What we re looking at here on page 63, what does that pay for? Brian Gerth: That s basically reimbursing the city for Central Dispatch. President Koehler Lindsey: For Central Dispatch, alright. Rodney Buchanan: That s the funds that we, that the State disperses to each of the 92 counties for all of the devices that the citizens of Indiana use in Vanderburgh County. President Koehler Lindsey: Right. Rodney Buchanan: Then that money is distributed by the County Auditor, and a portion of it goes to the city.

17 Page 17 of 41 President Koehler Lindsey: Alright, so I m going to do what drives my husband crazy and just be clear that we have this on the record, this $742,000 is not budgeted at this point. We are going to have to figure out where this is going to come from? Brian Gerth: That is correct. Rodney Buchanan: We have had several meetings, and I know you ve been involved in the meetings President Koehler Lindsey: Right. Rodney Buchanan: I ve tried to meet with most Councilmembers, both city and county and joint, and I know the Controller and Brian and Joe Gries also had met, just so everybody was on the same page, to know what to expect for the 2017 budget. Councilmember Raben: Okay. Any other questions? None? Rodney, thank you. Rodney Buchanan: Okay, thank you. President Koehler Lindsey: Thanks, Rodney, appreciate you coming in. VOTERS REGISTRATION Councilmember Raben: Voters Registration, page 19. Connie Carrier: Good morning. Councilmember Raben: Are there any questions of Connie Carrier: Oh, Connie Carrier. Tony Bushrod: Tony Bushrod. Councilmember Raben: Any questions for Voters Registration, page 19? Councilmember Goebel: Have you made your move yet? Connie Carrier: Yes. Tony Bushrod: Yeah. Councilmember Goebel: And, as it s working out okay? Connie Carrier: Yes. Tony Bushrod: Yeah. Councilmember Goebel: Good. Connie Carrier: Thank you. Councilmember Raben: Any, no questions? Okay, very good. We ll move on. Thank you. Connie Carrier: Thank you. Tony Bushrod: Thank you.

18 Page 18 of 41 SUPERIOR COURT (SUPERIOR DRUG COURT ) SUPERIOR COURT/CCD SUPERIOR COURT SUPPLEMENTAL ADULT PROBATION SUPERIOR COURT/COIT Councilmember Raben: Page 35, Superior Court. Good morning. Bob Pigman: Good morning, Bob Pigman, Superior Court. I think the, I can help out a little bit, the only major change in our budget from last year is Juvenile s request for two additional Probation Officers, and that might be the point you want to start at, if you ve got some questions. President Koehler Lindsey: Well, are we seeing some reduction in positions? There s a Case Manager. Bob Pigman: Yes, three, for the first position, that s the employee who was, had previously been treated as an independent contractor, and I m sure you are all aware by now we lost an appeal or a fight with the IRS about whether those employees, we had several of those employees that the IRS ruled were actually employees. But, we ve, so Judge Niemeier was wanting to move him, that person to the regular employee status then. We made cuts in three separate line items, and I can delineate those for you real quick; , we re eliminating that position; , we re reducing that by $1,700; and, , we re reducing that by $32,550 to offset exactly the cost of that first position. So, that should be revenue neutral there. The second one is a totally new position, it s a Field Probation Officer. He now has three Probation Officers that work in the field and do home checks, visitations, compliance checks with Probation Officers, or with probationers who are juvenile delinquents. I think that s still a politically correct term, I hope. He wants to add a fourth, for a variety of reasons. One, the workload is heavier; secondly, he s dealing with more gun cases now than he did before. There s an element of danger here that hasn t been present at this level before. So, he really wants to send these folks out in pairs, instead of sending them out one at a time. Councilmember Goebel: These are Judge Niemeier s requests? Bob Pigman: Yes, but they re part of our budget. There are some additional cuts listed in the budget. I can delineate those for you, that would help pay for this, though it would still leave us a little bit short on that. That would be line item , would be a reduction of $15,000 in our Juvenile Home Detention Program. That one s going to be difficult, but, secondly would be line item , that s the Patient/Inmate Care, again, he might, if he has an additional Probation Officer, he might be able to use more probation, less home detention, less commitment. So, you could cut that by about $12,000, and then some additional savings in line item for Transportation, again, if we re not sending as many juvenile delinquents off to other places, treatment facilities, and putting them on probation, we might save some money there. So, we would save about $29,000 of the monies requested for that. Councilmember Montrastelle: Did you say on , $12,000? Bob Pigman: Yes, $12,000. Cutting from $92,000 to $80,000 Councilmember Montrastelle: Juvenile Home Detention and then what was the third one?

19 Page 19 of 41 Bob Pigman: The third one was , Transportation, and that s been, could be cut from $14,000 to $12,000. Again, if we have another Probation Officer, the hope is, the thinking is there will be less need for detention of all kinds. Councilmember Raben: Then, Judge, also you have Youth Services, a huge decrease in that. Bob Pigman: Youth Services, yeah, the , the first one? President Koehler Lindsey: Yeah. Bob Pigman: Yeah, I think he feels he s able to do that with some of the, you know, I m not, I don t have the step by step process of how he s reorganized things and how he s done that, but I think if he feels confident he can get by with the $32,550. President Koehler Lindsey: So, do you have like a bottom line, as far as, and this is exactly, we did meet with Judge Niemeier, and this is exactly what we asked him to do. Bob Pigman: Right. President Koehler Lindsey: We said, there s no new money, what can you find? So, how does that shake out as far as Bob Pigman: Well, the first one, the one going from the independent contractor to the regular employee, that s neutral. The cuts there equal what it would cost the county to do that. President Koehler Lindsey: So, we re looking at the request of two Bob Pigman: So, the new Probation Officer, the person who would be a completely new member of his staff President Koehler Lindsey: Right. Bob Pigman: the cuts we ve identified come to $29,000. So, that would still be a little short. President Koehler Lindsey: Right. Okay, so, the first one, the first $41,380 is covered? Bob Pigman: Right. President Koehler Lindsey: Then, the second $41,380 has about twenty Bob Pigman: Is about $12,000 short. President Koehler Lindsey: $12,000 short? So, our increase is about $12,000 to add the two new Probation Officers? Bob Pigman: Right. President Koehler Lindsey: But, in essence, the one was something else, or this is just the money from another position being used for this? Bob Pigman: No, that person was a contract, an independent contractor. I m not sure exactly how that person was paid, but they were one of the employees, county employees that was audited by the IRS and determined not to be an independent contractor. So, we lost that claim. President Koehler Lindsey: Okay.

20 Page 20 of 41 Bob Pigman: Some of our Home Verification Officers fell in the same position, but we don t need to move them into the regular budget. President Koehler Lindsey: Alright, thank you. Councilmember Raben: Okay, we will move on to Councilmember Shetler: Councilman Raben? Just a point, because I know that we ve, the Juvenile Detention Center, we have that in the Commissioners budget, I believe. Would it make more sense, from a process, you know, accounting-wise to put that, or keep that in here, or put this back in here? Councilmember Raben: I think that Judge Niemeier asked us to take it out two or three years ago. Councilmember Shetler: I know. Bob Pigman: Years ago it was in the Commissioners. Councilmember Shetler: It was. Bob Pigman: Then it was put in ours, then it was taken back out and put in the Commissioners. Councilmember Raben: He asked that it be removed from this budget. I mean, we can come back, and we might ask him Bob Pigman: Okay. Councilmember Raben: I know he wanted it out initially, that s why it s in the Commissioners budget. Councilmember Shetler: It just seems to me, accounting-wise, I mean, that s where it ought to be is back here. President Koehler Lindsey: Right, and just and FYI, we are currently in negotiations with that YCC contract, and we ve met with them once. We have a second meeting scheduled. So, that contract is up for renewal for next year. Councilmember Raben: I think it was because Bob Pigman: I think it renews on an annual basis President Koehler Lindsey: Right. Bob Pigman: I think a three percent increase. So, but now they re wanting a fixed agreement, I guess. Councilmember Raben: I think his argument was, is that he doesn t sign that contract, the Commissioners do, but you re going to check on that? Bob Pigman: I will. Councilmember Shetler: Which is true with everything in the whole county. Yet, you know, we try to place, you know, account for it in the proper department. So, I mean, it s really an accounting procedure, as opposed to Bob Pigman: I mean; he may have a slight preference. I can t imagine this is Councilmember Shetler: just so It has gone back and forth over the years, and I Bob Pigman: Yeah, since I ve been budget director for the court, it s gone, it s changed at least twice, that I know of.

21 Page 21 of 41 Councilmember Raben: Alright, page oh, pardon me. Councilmember Goebel: Judge Pigman, on the two Probation Officers? Bob Pigman: Yes? Councilmember Goebel: That Judge Niemeier is requesting, they are to go to homes for youth who have been guilty or found to have guns? Bob Pigman: Right, well, one of them is, one will focus on that area, except that he has three already that do this. Councilmember Goebel: So, they multi-task? Bob Pigman: He s no longer able to send them one at a time. It s just, now in the 21 st Century, it s just not a good idea. Councilmember Goebel: Right. Bob Pigman: So, he sends them in pairs. This would give him an opportunity to have two groups of folks that would do that. Hopefully, creating an environment where he could use a lot more of that kind of supervision and less of the case management and the home detention and that kind of stuff. Councilmember Goebel: Okay. Bob Pigman: So, that s why they were able to cut in those areas, if that s approved. Councilmember Goebel: Thank you. President Koehler Lindsey: Some of those statistics that he gave us were that we had 44 juveniles with a gun in 2015, whereas in 2014 we had like six, I think. So, the trend is pretty scary. Councilmember Goebel: But, the Probation Officer will do other type of duties? Bob Pigman: Yes. President Koehler Lindsey: Correct. Councilmember Goebel: Thank you. Bob Pigman: They do home visits. Councilmember Shetler: Are they allowed to be armed? Bob Pigman: equipment. They are not armed. They have radios and some protective Councilmember Shetler: Is that by our choice? Bob Pigman: Yes. Councilmember Shetler: But, nothing legally would prohibit? Bob Pigman: I wouldn t think so. I don t know the answer to that question. I mean, I assume they could be. Councilmember Raben: Okay, page 59, there is nothing. Page 82, would be the next one, and that is the Adult Probation account. Are there any questions of page 82? If not, we ll move on, well, page 89 there is nothing. So, Judge, that, unless anyone else has a question of you, that does it for your piece of it today. Bob Pigman: Okay, alright. I think, is my DADS budget up next? Councilmember Montrastelle: Yes.