have yet to go over tam. I believe they are ell on nent (end still, eith wnet I earlier had, not ell on him).

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1 1/4/6 Deer P end G,' Atteched is the 12/30/6 letter from Angel and my today's response. Bud spent the afternoon here, we got to cover little, 1 again feel overwnelmed with what is yet to be done, so i've asked for some of ehat I v.eulc:, hive preferred going for in person. ehile there need be nothing sinister about the deletion in O'Sullivan's testimony, i em perplexed that it was done without iudicetien to tue printers. this can be from an editing of gelley proofs. nowever, tnere hes been no indication tuts was done in other cases. hence my request for an explenation. As o matter of fact, what was deleted was properly deleted. In the p st I hive indiceted at least some of my interest in O'B to both of you. 1 have just discussed thin briefly with iisl and i told Uery pretty much of the story when lest he was here. I think. You will recall Vinson assured ee these documents were under review toe 1,et year of the 1.. administration. That means this withheld document should have been declassified if the reason is persenel &Alf" ebout 7errie, for it then was all a matter of public record and he wan deed, without survivors. Paul, 1 do net now recall weather any of the list of does 1 eked for 11/ Or, aside from jee:701, was classified. Apparently I got them ell. I have yet to go over tam. I believe they are ell on nent (end still, eith wnet I earlier had, not ell on him). ell over basin we hove agreed to proceed separately and "immediately" on tee ane/ray stun', which is where we were two months sem and is but the last tuing ee discussed two eoeks ago, when 7 reked Ilud to estieete when he con hove those papers reedy. net says now, in an emergency, in two days. 'Without an emergency, he wents to research the al cases filed (Nader filed the 2th yesterday or the day before, vs Ag., in Belt.) to speak nice to the lawyers who handled, if any are local. If he does this, and if there is any pressure of work in his ce:ace, a more realistic time might be two months. Me can neve tee microfilm of to e "axes file. So for as i an concerned, this can mean Teul, end when I get it I'll send it to him. Bud is to call this man tomorrow end see when he can expect the printout,; I suggested he assure tee perfectionist we know much will be illegible and is beyond his control or influencine. he will also broach the euestien of some copies of COUP. In toe a.m. I en sending Paul the only copy 1 helm, a printout of this microfilm, in the evait Gerry wants it. Because it is my sole copy, I'd prefer that Garry pay for a xerox end we have this under our control. I also reco mend against meking any copies for us from this one because I exrect a level-size one back and when I get it send it out. That will be much more reedible when reduced by half than this. If my records are not wrong, Gary may hove n copy. ii if is the copy, that will not substitute. If it is a xerox, it weuldte good if he vent that to caul, insured for :50.00, imeedintely, for 1 do need copies end one can then be made for him and Mery, etc. Re above this guy has a microfilm of COUP (I). Angel doesn't mention it, but they else replaced the bad copy of CE740. There is no doubt that the ter'ein immeeiete southwest of the manhole hes been specially treated, as with a race, washing or both. I'd like a photoenelysis. Bud abd i didn't have time to get iuto tea.1zḳ stuff suit. Sincerely,

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3 3 pt on EWA 2 1 (i1/- FR6ERICK S. O'CaILLIVAN,r(., 2 having been first duly sworn, was examined and testified as a follows: Tr MR LIEBELER:) - 30 PO,T; ; gto My name is Wesley J. Liebeler. I am a 6 member of the legal staff of the President's Commission investigating the assassination of President Kennedy. Staff members have been authorized to take the testimony of witnesses by the Commission pursuant to authority granted to the Commission by Executive Order No. 110, dated November 2, 3, and joint Resolution of Congress No. 7. I understand that Mr. Rankin wrote to you last week telling you that I would be in touch with you concerning the taking of your testimony, and that he enclosed with his letter a copy of the Executive)drder and the IlOint,Resolution just referred to, as well as a copy of the Rules of procedure of the Commission relating to the taking of 18 testimony zl=w)t2ess!!.7---) 1 Did you receive the letter? F r Yes, sir. the documents I referred to were enclosed with it were they not? O'Laf:A, Yes, sir.

4 One of the things the Commission io 25 interested in is the background of Lee Harvey Oswald, the 3 73:32 JO - I oi o lo alleged assassin, to the extent that knowledge of his bciek-, ground can assist the Commission in evaluating Mr. 0:3wald$5 a possible motive, if it is true, as it was alleged., that he 4 was the assassin. Before we get into the knowledge that you may have of Oswald, would you state your full name for the 6 record. 2,11,i,6!Mer.;..--Q )%- Mr' Jr. LI= ELEIL 3rr..E,E:za. Frederick Stephen PatrickO'Sullivan. What is your address, Mr. O'Sullivan? 'A-, 43.3 Heritage Avenue, Gretna, Louisiana. You are a member of the New Orleans Police 11 Department, as I understand. Is that correct? 12 Mr.OTA-1:=A; am. 31r. I.rE Ea. ' -Q-,,,,...LAnd you are 'a detective on the 2fice Squad? Right. -1Z-0-. How long have you been with the New Orleans Police Department? M. A-. Six years. 18 You were born here in New Orleans? Is that 1 correct? ; 24 Ur. UZI:1:4x. was. 0, -1.Z1'.;, And how old are you now? 1:"c: IL, Twenty-six. :az 1, z7=eir understand that you knew Lee Oswald when 24 he attended a p i.mior High /School here in New Orleans. Is. 25 that correct?

5 Cp% on f,c.1 261/2 PI.;.i Yeh; Beauregard Junior High. u!.:2, Beau re. r.r,a rci Junior 1(.r1? Rr.4 1.;;,..1.11%,,N.---A, On Canal fit Met 7(4., Your own education included attendance at Beauregard. Junior High School? It did. How long did you go to Beauregard? atr. o. -A... One year..4.q. And where did.you go prior to that time? L. 3.% l'4"zr-s1. -A-. St. Dominic's. Q-. St. Dominic '3? 12 31r. M. you go? Mr. A.-7-- Elementary /School. Here in New Orleans? A, In Lakeview in New Orleans. Q.,And. after you left Beauregard, where did I went to Warren Easton Senior High School..And\thati is here in New Orleans also? 77.1."..:::.1..1N. -A-- Yes. Lir. And did you graduate from Warren Easton High School? 2 1 3:r...`77. 7.!!: I did. -; Did you attend college at any place?..1'401i..,,rtk w c4,7, t.7., 4."1-7,..m.^pqnrer.77,1+71prFrr...rt,

6 2s yr,27./. 1lAwq--0, Yes,' I am in college in Loyola right now - DIETRICH & WITT, Inc. STENOTYPE REPORTERS NATIONAL BANK OP COMMERCE BIOG. HEW ORLEANS through a Wlice );4partment scholarship ,4.,4.L.A,,,i,-. `q., Tell us everything that you can remember 3 4 about Oswald when you knew him at Beauregard Junior High School, how you met him, what contacts you had with him, 7 just the whole story. c..,1 1. / All right. I was a cadet in Civil Air Patrol, and while I was in Beauregard we were having a A recruiting drive to get more cadet members in the New Orleans quadron, and there were three fellows at the school that I le' talked to in particular about joining that. One was Joseph Thompson, one was Edward Voebel -- I am not sure how that name is spelled -- and Lee Harvey Oswald. My reason for asking Oswald to join was I noticed -- we had a drill team, we were real proud of our drill team. ''"'-z",.1i. This was a marching team? :si.-.6-:-:.:_mt4. A A marching unit; yes, sir, and Oswald carried himself always erect, always gave the impression that he could be marching, that he may be marching, eyes straight ahead, head straight, shoulders back, so he impressed me as the sort of a fellow that would really fit well on the drill team. He seemed like he could -- well, he even gave the impression that he would make a pretty good leader if he ever got into the squadron, so with this recruiting drive I asked the three of them to come out to the airport. I explained what we did out there, marching and DIETRICH a WITT, Inc. STENOTYPE REPORTERS NATIONAL BANE OF COMMERCE Two. NEW ORLEANS

7 flying on the weekends and so forth to them at school. Joseph Thompson and Oswald and Voebel all three came out to the airport. Joe Thompson stayed in the squadron, and Oswald came to one or two meetings, possibly three, along with Voebel. However, Voebel then joined the Civil Air Patrol at Moisant Airport, and because he was a closer friend of Oswald, he evidently talked Oswald into coming out to the squadron he had joined.

8 /-71i4), e.."-t-eal.,--%., At Moisant Field? At Moisant Airport. Right Yes. Incidentally, Oswald -- I didn't know this until I read it in the paper -- lived only a half a block from me for a short time. I lived in Lakeview at 800 French Street, I believe, and he lived either in the 800 or 'a the 700 block of French Street. That would have been in 3 when he came here to New Orleans? Is that correct? 1 Oh, I didn't live there at that time. No, a I moved from French Street around 7. Mr. I- Can you remember anything else about Oswald at the time he was in Beauregard Junior High School with you, about his friendships? Did he have many friends at that time, 24 or do you recall? 25 No. I believe he and W \

9 4-0 spelling of our last names, were possibly in the same home room in the morning, but I really don't recall anything. I don't recall much about any of the students at Beauregard or at Warren Easton. I sort of -- I was an athlete, and we stayed away from the rest of the students. They had a thing that they kept us away from the rest of the students pretty much. Q. You say you were an athlete at Beauregard? Yes, sir Easton. A. - q t What particular sport were you involved in? Football and track, and the same at Warren Did Oswald, as far as you know, ever have anything to do with sports activities? Mr. LIE: No. you remember whether Oswald and Voebel were close acquaintances at that time, or do you know? A-, Only in that Voebel left the New Orleans Squadron and went out to Moisant and evidently -- or I believe he talked Oswald into coming out there with him. Mt 1,-1:tta. 'Q.1 Now you don't know of your own knowledge whether or not Oswald ever did join the Civil Air Patrol, do you? r-xbm,smirgwyr.54,71.,047wrgmcmr,tagewmvp.m.vompimmewlmt\--mitwm y,...rawswgrammo,mr,msmummygmmengmyworriv' e.,

10 :4 :a, No, I don't know that he signed any paper's or ;1a, ut:if.orml; or anything. I know that he came out to DIETRICH A WITT, Inc. STENOTYPE PCrORTINS NALONAL BANK Oi COMACRCE I JCW 0 (3 New Orleans Airport and attended some of the meetings, but whether he just -- you see, a lot of time people would come out and sit in the classes to decide whether they wanted to join or not. We will allow this, hoping to get more cadets. I don't know that he ever signed any papers or joined. You can check with the Louisiana Wing Headquarters and they can 0 give it to you. /A-L4.0_A.A.,0"-, You don't know whether Oswald ever did actually go out to Moisant Field to Civil Air Patrol /Meetings at that place? No. ' 1Ir. Did you have rifles as a part of your Civil Air Patrol program? Did you have rifle practice and drill with rifles? We didn't drill with rifles, but we did belong to the NJR:A. and we did fire rifles on the range, and ; also when we went to summer camp we would fire on the range. 1.. N I R:A. is the National Rifle Association? Is that correct? 3".:;..1.Ax. Correct. mr.lazz What kind of rifles did you fire when you went to summer camp? Now I am getting summer camp mixed up with the National Guard. I believe we fired.'s in the C.A.P. '"'"'"'' -^^----, -,.".,.1,. ' '.' ' 70',1 'W.,Pr,,,r4Q PWZM's,..:7:77,iP5CR1.71Ṿ.TRICArArli".....1,,,

11 Did you ever oboerve Oswald cnr;age in r.ific niftric}4 WT GTF IrlYYPF orvnatc". 11^.61 1 al.rt fretsee.r. Iran 111./tho Of 7 ' 1 ' J.;,'... practice of any kind in connection with C,A.P'. activities?,,.l.a...,",,,l, No, sir. a Q7 Do you know whether or not Oswald ever did engage in any rifle practice in connection with the C;AiP.? No, sir. to 11"".",Now-dtdAyou know David Ferrie, and David Ferrie? -A-, Yes, nir, I know him. Do you know of any connection between Oswald A- No. I have no personal knowledge of anything. Ferrie was involved with the CIA7P. Squadron L at New Orleans Airport at the time Voebel and Oswald came out to join it? Is that correct? Ferrie was in charge of the squadron, and then there was a Captain Hinton. Now I was in the squadron for skx years, so I am not sure who was in charge at what particular time. I am not sure. He could have been. He may have been, but I am not sure. I know that when he left the New Orleans,Squadroni,Ferrie did have something to do with the Moisant isquadron, no he may have. If he wasn't in charge when Oswald was out at New Orleans Airport, he may have been in charge when he went to Moisant Airport. l'it' LIC~:"2- But you don't know of any time that Oswald associated with or knew Ferrie through the Civil Air Patrol? Uncrsta.l.mm -A, No,' I am not sure of any. 1:11ETRiCei 8 WITT, Inc. STENOTYPE REPORTERS NATIONAL BANK OF COMMERCE BLDG. NEW ORLEANS

12 k 1C? 73J?.0C "7/./A. Now you said that you had no 1-rsonal know- 2 3 ledge or no direct knowledge of any relationship between Oswald and Ferrie? No vi _ "--Q-7 Do you have any information that would lead you to believe that there was a relationship between these two men? -A. Only that when all of this broke with Oswald, I went through all of the old ClAt.Pf files that were available, trying to get some information for the Secret Service, the people who had called me up at home, and 12 Mr. Where were these files located? --A, These files are in the possession of one 11 Robert Boylston. Afrer who was he? M.% ;, -A. He was also a member of the CO,P. at the time we all were, at New Orleans possession? -Q.,And how did the records come to be in his My 0: 'L.,. -A, He is a senior member now. He has maybe recently dropped out, but he was a senior member and these records were just turned over to him in the whole filing cabinet. They are all old records. I am trying to get the thing straight in my mind. Of course, I have been trying to 25 get it straight in my mind, just what I know and what I have DIETRICH & WITT, Inc. STENOTYPE REPORTERS NATIONAL RANK OP COMMERCE BLEX). NEW ORLEANS

13 2 3 heard. It gets kind of confusing when you read so much. Sometimes you remember things that you don't really remember, you know. 777:7.r1,T...74MF,W5:7;',,t7::.3.V.Y,MT7.,5.r,qx,M7g,..,!;0:0WZ`.:TMAUZ&V).74.4%,WAziAR4N..41,cgai*vo;,"rfoRmrsrxmcncz5w4mw77zsR,Torm, 7",onviATT7'3%

14 DIETRICH & Win, inc. STENOTYPE REPORTERS NATJONAL RANK Or COMMERCE BLDG, NEW 0;1. EANS 1 5 "e1..0 D Ld you find anything in these f si eh 1. I % I 1; related to Ferric or Oswald? ;44:,)/fLi:1!..,, Well, we found papers signed by Ferric but 7 nothing in relation to Oswald. His name wasn't mentioned in 4 ug IS 1 anything at all that we could find, so we assumed at that time that Oswald was in the Moisant Squadron. I believe they even had in the paper the dates, and we checked those particular dates and it turned out that Ferrie was in a transition between the New Orleans Squadron and the Moisant Squadron in these dates, so he could have been involved either way with Oswald. I don't know if he was involved, he could have been. A4r. 1.:1 But you found nothing in the files? Mr. Nothing concrete. Wit- that you investigated as to the relation between Oswald and Ferrie? mr.oull , No. 4%.., Am I correct in understanding that there has been publicity here in the New Orleans area concerning a possible relationship between Osviald and Ferrie? Yes, sir. I believe Captain Ferrie was arrested. I am sure he was arrested, and I believe it was in

15 12 I A IJ connection with this Oswald situation. He was booked at the First District Station. I don't know junt what he was chai-ged with, I believe just 107, under investigation of whatever it was, I don't know. Mr. Lit-L::ti, Now you go ahead. A. Lieutenant Dwyer, Paul Dwyer, from the New Orleans Police Department, Intelligence Division, I accompanied him out to New Orleans Airport where we found Dave Ferrie's airplane. We wanted to check it to see if it was flyable, to see possibly whether he had been flying it lately, with the thought that he may have transported Oswald to Dallas. This isn't my thought, this was brought up to me, and we found his plane, but his plane was not in. flyable condition. It had flat tires, instruments missing, needed a paint job. We also checked to see if he had rented an aircraft from any of the companies out there, and one / 1.. company in particular said that they wouldn't rent him an airplane. ak "..QL.._ Did they tell you why? No. mr./,11:=lc You are a detective on the Vice Squad? Is that correct? Mr. O'SuLuv.+N. Yes, sir arr. Q Are you assigned to a particular aspect of vice activities here in New Orleans? DIETRICH & WITT, Inc. STENOTYPE REPORTERS NATIONAL BANK OP COMMERCE BLDG. NEW ORLEAN: - " ^t.,`!"!;"4",t' '6A',PrrNIT Te'r:r7e.,FAmt Xl3MIT,,,N4`7 ore0 7r.

16 11110 LII LUITT tingrirv r 1PCIIITF1. (NATIONAL BANK OF COMMERCE BLDG. NEW ORLEANS.61/) l'g7: S Pt 0..", G '3 0 T / /,. / ;fir J 2 'f 3 4 ;; ;g,. No, sir.,here are only nine or us to cover the whole city. Therefore, we handle any vice, gambling, prostitution, homosexuals, handbooks. Anything that comes under the vice laws, we handle. h /.0./.. -Q.,., You have never had any contact with Ferrl.e in connection with your activities on the Vice Squad? In that correct? "-- No. Ferrie lives or he did live in Jefferson Parish. We have no authority in Jefferson Parish. I know that Ferrie was arrested or was accused of some 1l vice -- well, violating some vice laws, I believe having to do with homosexuals, about two or three years ago, but I don't have any personal knowledge of this. Now see if you can recall or think back to your experiences in the Beauregard Junior High School, and tell us if you can remember anything else or it there is anything else that you want to add what you have already said about your knowledge of Oswald and his activities at the time he was at Beauregard Junior High School Well, I have put quite a bit of thought on this ever since it all happened, especially since I have gotten this correspondence relative to what I know about it, and as much as I would like to help you as much as I can, I Just can't think of anything else. I don't want to say something I am not sure of. Well, actually, even if I thought

17 kw," 411 of something, I would tell, you and tell you I am not sure, but there is nothing else I can think of. :t gw.44:-- -- All right. I have no other questions at this time, and if there is nothing else that you want to add to the record, Imalyt=7-077IWo=yoll very7mili511=r6r 055arigbeala4--, f-f*tlingth-e=toratima45l you teatv-e.len 6n behalf of the [ Commission, I want to thank you very much for your cooperation. :szr. Thank you. Yes, sir....th tak.ing orf2he_wl.tneos, s testimony was concluded CLA:',.;1.riCATION CANCELED By Ey.. Deo. Tv NO C DIETRICH & WITT, Inc. STENOTYPE REPORTERS NATIONAL DANK OF COMMERCE BLDG. NEW ORLEANS ' - t 1:`. -., I.

18 nar i Q wiry &.... et004trut 4,41-4:4AL 11TI 4 1 of something, I would tell, you and tell. yon I am lint; 2 3 there is nothing else I cm-) think of. All right. I have no other question% at this! time, and if there is nothing else that you 1st:1-ot to add to 5 thq rosorci, yo-11 Yartitou':11 foit r,,øn behalf of thc,. 7 8 Commission, I want to thank you very much ro:i7 cooperation. Yes, sir. Thank you. I Th eapon,_she talang of ths_witnec:3's testimony was' concluded... la & WITT, Inc. STENOTYPE REPORTERS NATIONAL SANK OF COMAIC1 REE4Q. i-wir _j