000197 000001 Page 1 INTERVIEW OF MATT OWENS In Re: Internal Investigation Unit Case Nos. 1603 004 and 1603 005 March 17, 2016 Interviewers: Captain Urie Sergeant Pierson Also Present: Officer David Brown ****** Official Transcript of Recording Reed Jackson Watkins Court Certified Transcription 206. 624.3005 www. rjwtranscripts. corn
000198 000002 Page 2 1 o0o 2 March 17, 2016 3 4 URIE: Okay. We re on the record. It s 10:41. This is 5 regarding IIU Case No. 1603 004 and 1603 005. My name is 6 Captain Eric Urie. Last name is spelled U R I-E. With me 7 is- 8 PIERSON: Sergeant Pierson. P I E R-S O N. 9 OWENS: Sergeant Matt Owens. Last name is spelled 10 O-W-E-N-S. 11 BROWN: Officer David Brown. Last name is spelled 12 B-R-O-W-N. 13 URIE: Okay. Today s date is March 17th, 2016. The time 14 is 10:41, as I mentioned. We re in the King County 15 Courthouse in the IIU interview room. 16 Sergeant Owens, do I have permission to record this 17 interview? 18 OWENS: You do. 19 URIE: Discussions of open investigations are disruptive 20 to the efficient operation of the Department, hinders the 21 proper investigation of complaints, are harmful to 22 reputations, fosters rumors and may hamper the 23 investigators ability to obtain the truth. The Department 24 expects you to fully cooperate with IIU. 25 At this time, I m ordering you to not communicate with
000199 000003 Page 3 1 anyone regarding this case, except your union representative 2 or legal adviser. Answer the questions put to you, provide 3 a full, accurate and completely honest account of all 4 information asked of you during the investigation. 5 Pursuant to the Public Records Act and case laws, all 6 evidence, including your identity and statements, may be 7 released. 8 For the record, a sustained case of lying to IIU carries 9 severe disciplinary consequences which will normally be 10 termination of employment. Do you understand what I ve just read to you? 12 OWENS: Yes, I do. 13 URIE: Okay. You re here as a witness today. And what s 14 your current position? 15 OWENS: I am the court detail sergeant, 9 to 5, 12th 16 Floor, Seattle Courthouse. 17 URIE: Okay. And how long have you been employed by King 18 County? 19 OWENS: Twenty-six years now. 20 URIE: Okay. Do you hold a position on the executive 21 board of the King County Corrections Guild? 22 OWENS: I am. I am the vice president. 23 URIE: All right. And you were once an IIU sergeant and a 24 captain of this Department, weren t you? 25 OWENS: Yes, I was.
what if a 000200 000004 Page 4 1 URIS: Okay. So you have an above average understanding 2 of the Department Code of Conduct? 3 OWENS: Yes, I do. 4 URIE: Okay. Tell me about parking reimbursement for King 5 County Corrections Guild members. 6 OWENS: There was an arbitration that occurred 7 approximately 15 months ago where the King County 8 Corrections Guild was awarded free parking, and it was for 9 the duration of the contract. The contract started, I 10 believe was it 01/01/13? 11 BROWN: Correct. 12 OWENS: 01/01/2013. And consequently, there was a 13 situation where there d be - number of people would be 14 getting reimbursements for parking that they had paid for. 15 Specifically, people that parked on 4A were going to get 16 reimbursements directly. Anything that was billed through 17 the County, I believe, was going to be reimbursed directly, 18 also. 19 URIE: Okay. So if you parked in the Goat Hill Garage, 20 did that differ from 4A? 21 OWENS: I believe so. I believe you either had to pay for 22 the parking or you would use your card to access the gates 23 and then you would be billed later on. I believe that was 24 the system. I m not entirely sure. 25 URIS: Okay. So it you -- a Guild member paid for
that 000201 000005 Page 5 1 parking somewhere other than 4A or the Goat Hill Garage -- 2 let s say they paid for parking somewhere else in Seattle - 3 would they be reimbursed for that? 4 OWENS: No. I believe it was just strictly any county - 5 county facility. 6 URIE: Okay. Did this agreement between King County apply 7 only to individual Guild members requesting parking 8 reimbursement fees from the Goat Hill Garage, retroactively, 9 from 2013 to 2015? 10 OWENS: Could you repeat that? That s very complicated. 11 URIE: Yes, it is. I will. 12 Did this agreement between King County and the Guild apply 13 only to individual Guild members requesting parking 14 reimbursement fees from the Goat Hill Garage, retroactively, 15 from 2013 to 2015? 16 OWENS: I believe so. 17 URIE: Okay. 18 OWENS: Without having the document right in front of me 19 what was negotiated, I can t I can t say for sure, but as 20 I recall, that was the 21 URIE: Okay. 22 OWENS: - was the issue. 23 URIE: Okay. So the intent of the agreement was not to 24 reimburse the Guild as an organization, but the individual 25 Guild members?
what s for along 000202 000006 Page 6 OWENS: Yes. 2 URIE: Okay. Were you involved in the negotiations or the 3 discussions with regard to the content of that agreement? 4 OWENS: Yes, I was. 5 URIE: Okay. I m going to say please refer to the King 6 County Corrections Guild Parking Form Agreement. That s 7 going to be the question. But let me find the piece of 8 paper. 9 OWENS: Okay. 10 URIE: Does this document, as a whole, look familiar? 11 OWENS: The document itself, this specific document, no. 12 URIE: Okay. So this particular document is I ve got 13 the heading of King County Corrections Guild Parking 14 Reimbursement Form. So what would this document be for, do 15 you think? 16 OWENS: I believe that would be for individual 17 reimbursement uses, somebody using receipts or bank 18 statements or something like - that lines, indicating 19 they had parked in Goat Hill Garage submitted with that 20 form. 21 URIE: Okay. So if -- the bottom of this - can 22 you read this bottom paragraph for me, please? 23 OWENS: I understand that I m only allowed to be 24 reimbursed for parking that I paid for during that period 25 while I was at work on - the County on the days I paid
that 000203 000007 Page 7 1 for parking. I also understand that I may be disciplined if 2 I m found to not have been working on any of the days where 3 I have requested reimbursement for parking. 4 URIE: Okay. So if a Guild member fills this out and it s 5 determined that they did not work on that day that they 6 applied for reimbursement, that officer would receive 7 discipline according to this form. Is that your 8 understanding? 9 OWENS: That s what I was led to believe. 10 URIE: Okay. Was that in the agreement also between the 11 Guild and the -- 12 OWENS: There were a lot of discussions about we didn t 13 want to be paying for somebody that came in for a Seahawk 14 game, that type of thing, and then parked in Goat Hill 15 Garage. That was was what I recall being the the 16 intent of all the negotiations. 17 URIE: Okay. Dig through my papers again. 18 PIERSON: So if you had an automatic payroll deduction if 19 you parked on 4A -- 20 OWENS: Uh-huh. 21 PIERSON: - or in Goat Hill, you didn t need to fill out 22 that form? It was just an automatic reimbursement through 23 your paycheck? 24 OWENS: As I recall, that s exactly what it was. 25 PIERSON: Okay. And so if you didn t have an automatic
okay. well, pay 000204 000008 Page 8 1 payroll deduction for parking and you had to use - or 2 pay for parking that day, that s when that form would be 3 used? 4 OWENS: And you submitted a receipt, yes. 5 PIERSON: Yes. 6 URIE: If, let s say So if the you re 7 familiar with Officer Randy Weaver? 8 OWENS: Yes. 9 URIE: He s an officer in the Corrections Guild? 10 OWENS: Yes, he s the president. 11 URIE: Okay. And his wife is also a Guild member; is that 12 correct? 13 OWENS: That is correct. She s an officer. 14 URIE: If the Weavers use their Guild credit card to pay 15 for parking at the Goat Hill Garage and then use their 16 receipt from that credit card to apply to the County for 17 reimbursement, would that be double dipping? 18 OWENS: Yes. 19 URIE: And is that a violation of some kind of policy or 20 ethics rule? 21 OWENS: Intrinsically, I don t know that, but, yes, I 22 believe it is. 23 URIE: Okay. So we talked earlier about this agreement 24 with the Guild only applied to the Goat Hill parking garage. 25 Are you familiar with the parking - we talked about
was 000205 000009 Page 9 1 that, too. Do you think Officer Weaver, based on his 2 position in the Guild, is familiar with this parking 3 agreement? 4 OWENS: I would hope so. 5 URIE: Did he -- 6 the County? he involved in negotiating it with 7 OWENS: Yes, he was. 8 URIE: Okay. I noticed in the scanned copies of receipts 9 that were provided to me that the Weavers, Randy and Sonya, 10 jointly requested reimbursement for One Convention Place 11 Parking Garage; State of Washington, Capitol Campus; 12 Overlake Hospital; 100 Republican, operated by United 13 Parking; IBM building, operated by United Parking; Seattle 14 Center, Mercer Garage; Union Square Garage. 15 Why would King County be responsible for these facilities 16 based on the agreement? 17 OWENS: I have no clue. 18 URIE: So they wouldn t be? King County wouldn t be 19 responsible for that? 20 OWENS: I don t believe so. 21 URIE: Okay. Did Officer Randy Weaver or Sonya Weaver ask 22 for their parking receipts to be returned to them by 23 Finance? 24 OWENS: I don t know. 25 URIE: Has anyone told you that they did?
it the 000206 000010 Page 10 1 OWENS: No. 2 URIE: Okay. What did Randy Weaver and Sonya Weaver say 3 to you about their parking reimbursement? Did they talk to 4 you about it? 5 OWENS: Yes, once. 6 URIE: What did they say? 7 OWENS: Randy provided me with a check, saying, This is 8 the money for the Guild. 9 URIE: When did he provide you with a check? 10 OWENS: On or about the last meeting in January. URIE: Was it 12 OWENS: I don t have that date 13 firmly set in my mind. 14 URIE: Is it January 27th? I don t have that date 15 OWENS: It probably is. It would be the last Wednesday in 16 January. 17 URIE: Okay. And what was that check for? 18 OWENS: I was told that it was the -- Guild s money. 19 URIE: Okay. And it was for parking? 20 OWENS: Yeah. He said it was - was -- he submitted 21 the the receipts for the Guild s parking to get the money 22 back for the Guild. 23 URIE: Was there anything suspicious about him paying you 24 that money at that time? 25 OWENS: I was definitely concerned and curious, but I went
with do I ll 000207 000011 Page 11 1 ahead and cashed the check, anyway. 2 URIE: Why were you concerned and curious? 3 OWENS: It seemed odd to me. It seemed odd that he was -- 4 that there were these receipts that he had gotten money back 5 for, and all of a sudden, the Guild was getting a portion of 6 that. And I wasn t really, you know -- be honest with 7 you, this was thrust upon me. I m holding a dual hat right 8 now, and I was just trying to get it caught up. I was 9 concerned, but we had receipts with it, with the check, and 10 I was like, Okay. I mean, I kept a copy of the receipts 11 for the Guild records. 12 URIE: Okay. So he turned in receipts in to you - 13 OWENS: Uh-huh. 14 URIE: - the payment at the same time? 15 OWENS: Yeah. It was all 16 URIE: Okay. Do you know - you know if that -that 17 was the same packet of receipts that he submitted at DAJD 18 Finance? 19 OWENS: I have no clue. 20 URIE: Okay. 21 PIERSON: You said you were wearing a dual hat. What does 22 that refer to? 23 OWENS: There have been some internal difficulties within 24 the Guild, and I m presently performing both the functions 25 as the vice president and as the treasurer. And before that
was if well, 000208 000012 Page 12 1 meeting, I had not had any contact with the Guild finances. 2 So I am - struggling to understand what was going on. 3 PIERSON: So at that meeting, you basically were informed 4 you were going to be the treasurer and, Hey, by the way, 5 here s a check for some parking. 6 OWENS: Yeah. 7 URIE: Okay. Do you remember the memo I sent to you on 8 March 8th? 9 OWENS: Yes. 10 URIE: In it, I asked you to verify which bank credit card 11 numbers belonged to the Guild? 12 OWENS: Yes. 13 URIE: You confirmed that credit card number ending in 14 2467 belonged to the Guild; is that correct? 15 OWENS: I recognized those last four numbers. 16 URIE: Okay. And you verified the other seven numbers 17 were not Guild accounts; is that correct? 18 OWENS: I went through them. I didn t recognize any of 19 the numbers based on the information that I ve had. 20 URIE: Okay. 21 PIERSON: And when you say you recognized the number, is 22 that as a Guild credit card? 23 OWENS: Yes, it is. 24 PIERSON: Okay. 25 URIE: Is it - do you think it s strange that
did well, 000209 000013 1 the Weavers would use a different card to pay for parking? Page 13 2 OWENS: I try not to -- strange/not strange. They did. 3 URIE: Okay. During 2013 and 2015, did executive board 4 members, like the president of the King County Corrections 5 Guild, have authorization or permission from the Guild to 6 use the Guild s credit card to pay for parking? 7 OWENS: I do not know. 8 URIE: Are there any rules associated with the use of that 9 card? 10 OWENS: Yes, there are. And it s anything over $300 needs a motion to support the purchase or whatever it s used for. 12 URIE: Okay. Have you ever used a Guild credit card to 13 pay for parking? 14 OWENS: I do not have a Guild credit card. 15 URIE: So that would be a no? 16 OWENS: I have never had a Guild credit card. 17 URIE: Have any other Guild members used Guild credit 18 cards to pay for parking and then asked for reimbursement? 19 OWENS: Asked for reimbursement? Not that I m aware of. 20 URIE: Are you aware of any Guild members using Guild 21 credit cards to pay for parking in the King County Garage? 22 OWENS: Yes. 23 URIE: Okay. Who would they be? 24 OWENS: David Brown, sitting next to me and Mike Music. 25 URIE: Okay. Are -- they get -- disregard that
seem 000210 000014 Page 14 1 question. 2 Are Guild executive board members allowed to give Guild 3 credit cards to others that are not E board members for use? 4 OWENS: I would hope not, but I don t know that there s 5 any specific policy. 6 URIE: Okay. Okay. So here we go. Let me see if I can 7 find another piece of paper. 8 PIERSON: And then while he s doing that, you said there 9 is no specific policy, but as a Guild vice president and 10 I mean, the secretary is sitting next to you, also was 11 that a like a good business practice to let somebody 12 else use a credit card that s not, I guess, for lack of a 13 better term, an authorized user? 14 OWENS: Not only no, but heck no, because they they re 15 not an officer. There s kind of a fiduciary trust as being 16 an elected officer. 17 PIERSON: And does do these credit cards have -- does 18 it say King County Corrections Guild on it or does it have 19 the individual name of the person - 20 OWENS: The ones that I recall seeing have the individual 21 name with King County Corrections Guild written below it. 22 PIERSON: Okay. 23 OWENS: But I can t say that to all the cards because I 24 have not seen all 25 PIERSON: All of the --
the just it 000211 000015 Page 15 1 OWENS: - physical cards. 2 PIERSON: Just 3 OWENS: Yeah. the ones that you re familiar with? 4 URIE: So let s refer to this check from January 27th. We 5 talked about that already, actually, so I don t know that we 6 need to again. 7 When Randy Weaver gave you the check, did he do or say 8 anything when he submitted it that would make you 9 suspicious? 10 OWENS: I just found the whole, the whole situation odd. 11 I just - I really did. And suspicious, maybe. I don t 12 know. Just odd. Just, it seemed - seemed out of place. 13 URIE: Sure. Is there anything specific that you felt it 14 was out of place? 15 OWENS: Well, I didn t have all the information. You ve 16 got to remember I m trying to recall from that long ago 17 URIE: Sure. 18 OWENS: - that s approximately six weeks ago, and there s 19 been an incredible amount of information that I ve had to 20 absorb since then. It just seemed out of place. It didn t 21 seem like this was anything that I would have done because I 22 had actually submitted for parking reimbursement, but I had 23 submitted a receipt one at a time. 24 URIE: Okay. Do you know when Randy Weaver was paid for 25 his parking reimbursement by the County?
well, there I 000212 000016 Page 16 1 OWENS: I have no clue. 2 URIE: Okay. Our records indicate that it was December 3 7th and that King County paid him. And then according to 4 our records, again, we - or your statements, as well, 5 Officer Weaver paid the Guild back for expenses for parking 6 on January 27th. Is taking two months to repay the Guild 7 back, is that really that big a deal? 8 OWENS: I did find that kind of odd. I would have 9 thought, you know, you d want to do it in the same billing 10 period type of thing. But that s - I have have a 11 different viewpoint. I mean, that s one of the things I m 12 learning, that there s a different viewpoint on how - how 13 reimbursements and such work with the Guild. 14 URIE: Is there anything that you think may have 15 encouraged Officer Weaver, Randy Weaver, to make payment on 16 the date that he did? 17 OWENS: I believe there was some was some public 18 discourse about double dipping at that meeting specifically. 19 URIE: So this issue we re talking about now was discussed 20 there? 21 OWENS: I believe so, yes. 22 URIE: And I m guessing - I m not going to guess. 23 Let s see here. Oh, okay. Now, let s talk about this. 24 So I m going to have you refer to another document and try 25 to identify this for me. So this was provided to us through
this from the the the just I and 000213 000017 Page 17 1 the Ombudsman s Office. And you can take a peek at that, if 2 you would. 3 OWENS: Can I take the paper clip off? 4 URIE: Yeah, feel free. 5 OWENS: Okay. 6 URIE: And you can look at the - -- want you to 7 identify the documents for me, if you can. 8 OWENS: This looks like 9 part of a statement from first document looks like the business checking 10 account for the King County Corrections Guild, and it s 11 dated beginning balance May 1, 2014. And the -- the 12 account number is identified up in the top left corner as 13 6409. 14 URIE: Okay. 15 OWENS: Yes, I do recognize this. 16 URIE: Okay. What about the last two pages in 17 particular? Oh. Not the 18 in particular. last two sheets of paper, 19 OWENS: Oh, the last two sheets. 20 URIE: These here. Yeah, they re not dated or identified 21 in any way. 22 OWENS: This looks like an Excel spreadsheet that I 23 prepared going through a bunch of similar statements to 24 which you have here. How you got it, I have no idea. But 25 this looks like a spreadsheet that I prepared - I
you get so oh, 000214 000018 Page 18 1 prepared about the Guild expenses in order to document them 2 and get a - a handle on them. 3 URIE: Okay. When was it prepared? 4 OWENS: Oh. The first draft of this, I think it would 5 have been done just prior to the meeting on the 27th. 6 URIE: Okay. 7 OWENS: I m having a difficult time remembering because 8 there was a lot of stuff that I did in that period of time. 9 I - know, was on Guild leave at that time performing 10 Guild functions. 11 URIE: Okay. And have you produced this document? 12 OWENS: It looks very familiar. It looks like my style of 13 document. 14 URIE: Okay. And what does this document show? 15 OWENS: It shows date, the name of the place where a 16 purchase was made, the account number the last four of 17 the account number who was assigned that account number 18 and the amount charged and kind of the city location. 19 URIE: Is it who is assigned this account number? 20 OWENS: 2467 shows as Weaver. 21 URIE: And this is the credit card that you earlier 22 identified as belonging to the Guild; is that correct? 23 OWENS: It is. 24 URIE: And in the Summary of Expenses from the Guild 25 credit card for the last I already asked that
what 000215 000019 Page 19 1 question. Sorry. 2 DAJD Finance received receipts for parking reimbursement 3 using credit card ending in 2467 for the following dates: 4 September 29, 2014. And we didn t see that on that expense 5 report that you re holding there. November 18, 2014; 6 January 9, 2015 and July 10, 2015. I have the dates listed 7 here - 8 OWENS: Okay. 9 URIE: -- if you want to take a peek at it. But I just 10 want to make sure that I m not missing something because if 11 they re in there somewhere, I missed them. 12 OWENS: Okay. See, the first one is September 29. 13 URIE: And feel free to take a peek at that. Try to see 14 if you can find them in there. 15 OWENS: That s October. January 9th. And July the 10th. 16 Yeah, I don t see them in there. 17 URIE: Do you have any idea why they wouldn t be in there 18 if I have receipts for them? For example, here s a I 19 think that s November 18th, isn t it, for the record? 2014 20 is one of the dates we re looking for? 21 OWENS: What s the card number? 22 URIE: 2467. 23 OWENS: It could be and this is -- which -- date is 24 this? November the 18th? 25 URIE: November -- yeah.
of 000216 000020 Page 20 1 One of the things I did observe when putting this 2 together, sometimes where posting dates were different. You 3 have one for November the 19th from actual dates of service. 4 OWENS: November what - what year? 5 URIE: 2014. You said you - you didn t have one for 6 November the 18th. Did you have a receipt for November the 7 19th? 8 OWENS: I don t. I have one for the 18th, but not the 9 19th. 10 URIE: One of the things I did notice with Goat Hill and a 11 couple other venues, that they don t post on the same day as 12 the date of service. So which do you think is more 13 accurate? The date on the receipt or when the parking was 14 used or the date on the credit card? 15 OWENS: I m going to say the date on the receipt because 16 the person took that out of the machine and printed it. 17 URIE: Right. 18 OWENS: Whether it was transmitted to the bank on that day 19 or not is another thing altogether. 20 URIE: Sure. Okay. 21 OWENS: Does that make sense? 22 URIE: I think so. Finance can be confusing sometimes. 23 So if RMS indicates that Officer Randy Weaver and Sonya 24 Weaver were not at work on the same date that our records 25 indicate they submitted parking for, based on their
had with for 000217 000021 Page 21 1 receipts, then they would have violated the agreement 2 between the Guild and the County and subject to discipline; 3 is that correct? 4 OWENS: If you have a date like that, yes, I believe so. 5 URIE: Okay. What conditions would need to exist where it 6 would be okay for Officer Sonya Weaver to be assigned on RMS 7 to work and Officer Randy Weaver is off, according to RIVIS, 8 and the Guild credit card was used to pay for parking in the 9 Goat Hill Garage? 10 OWENS: The only thing I can think of is was Randy 11 assigned Guild leave for doing an arbitration or 12 something like that, and they may have commuted together. 13 That would be the only reason why I could think that, 14 something along that lines. 15 URIE: Okay. 16 OWENS: It s possible for that to have occurred. 17 URIE: Sure. 18 IIU has received a report that Officer Randy Weaver 19 contacted you March 14th at approximately 1500 hours. Tell 20 me what happened during that conversation. 21 OWENS: Randy came up from, I believe, from a Loudermill 22 hearing that was been going on, and I was curious as 23 to see, you know, what was the tone, what was the result. 24 And to be honest, with -- the turmoil that s going on 25 with the Guild, I wanted to have a moment to talk to him.
because and 000218 000022 Page 22 1 So instead of taking him into the office, we stepped out on 2 the sky bridge. 3 And there were a number of things we talked about. And 4 some of it, I m not going to get into because it s directly 5 related to internal Guild finances. But there was a 6 discussion of apropos of nothing, aside from the 7 Loudermill and aside from talking about the internal Guild 8 finances, he asked me a question. Specifically, it was, 9 Have you given any financial records to IIU? 10 And my response was, No. 11 And then he asked me a follow-up question, Have you 12 talked to IIU? 13 And I said, Yes. And I indicated that I had been 14 contacted by you and John Steers from the Ombudsman office. 15 URIE: Then what happened? 16 OWENS: He kind of changed his body posture, and he said, 17 Well, you need to be really very, very careful about that. 18 And that was what he said to me. 19 And my response to be perfectly honest with 20 you, I had not received the NOI. I have been kind of 21 Chinese fire walled from all this stuff. I hadn t - I 22 didn t know that Randy was under investigation at the time 23 when I received your copy of the NOl for me being a witness 24 here. Then I realized what was going on. 25 And I, you know -- I tried to press him for
and I d I 000219 000023 Page 23 1 information as like, What the hell s going on? My 2 response was, You 3 What s going on? you can t conceal this from me. 4 And he told me specifically, I can t tell you what s 5 going on. 6 And I said, Fine, I get that, because I understand kind 7 of what goes on down here. And I m talking about the 8 Internal Investigations Unit. So I was, like, Okay. I 9 don t know what s going on. You re kind of leaving me in 10 the dark. 11 And there s been a little bit of a communication gap in 12 between the two of us. Part of it is geographic. He works 13 down on the 2nd floor. I m the 12th floor of the 14 courthouse. And I m just trying to -- know you guys think 15 this is funny, but I -- say I m a bridge builder. I m 16 trying to build bridges and, you khow, and better 17 communication, tear down the walls. But I really got the 18 feeling that he was instantly very upset. 19 URIE: Did you take anything he said to be a threat? 20 OWENS: Yes and no. I mean, we re in the midst of an 21 election and it s a very hotly contended -- contentious 22 election. There there are a number of issues swirling 23 around, him, me, everybody on the Guild E board. I took it 24 as kind of a threat and kind of a warning at the same time. 25 So I would just that s why I kind of backed off. I
to I you 000220 000024 Page 24 1 just really didn t want do not want to cause a scene. 2 URIE: When you say threat, do you mean like a threat as 3 in you won t get reelected or a threat 4 OWENS: That type of thing or that, you know, there may be 5 some consequences to you doing that. 6 URIE: You didn t take 7 violence? 8 OWENS: No, I did not. 9 URIE: Okay. it to be a physical threat of 10 PIERSON: The position that you hold with the Guild, 11 though, is there any financial compensation for that 12 position? 13 OWENS: Yes, I am compensated for it. 14 PIERSON: Okay. So for him to -- say you kind of took 15 it as his threat or about the Guild, so there could be some 16 financial impact should you not be reelected? 17 OWENS: Yeah, there would be definitely financial impact. 18 URIE: Has officer Sonya Weaver communicated with you 19 about this case? 20 OWENS: I was unaware of any communication with Sonya 21 Weaver. I ve be frank, she s a subordinate. I know 22 she doesn t care for me. I really try to minimize my 23 contact. 24 URIE: So you haven t discussed this with her? 25 OWENS: Not only no, but heck no.
we which no. when 000221 000025 Page 25 1 URIS: Okay. When Officer Randy Weaver confronted you on 2 the sky bridge on March 14th, were you speaking to Officer 3 Weaver as a Guild representative? 4 OWENS: I -- I was talking to him as a peer. 5 URIE: I don t understand what you mean. 6 OWENS: As a Guild member. 7 URIS: Okay. A Guild member. 8 OWENS: Yeah. 9 URIS: All right. 10 OWENS: It s funny, when your - your shirt has 11 stripes on it, it can be interpreted all sorts of ways. It 12 was - were talking. 13 URIE: Sometimes you need to lay the ground rules on 14 the hat we re wearing before the conversation 15 starts. 16 OWENS: I concur with that, and I may not have done that. 17 URIE: Okay. Do you think it was appropriate for Officer 18 Weaver to be talking to you about the case since he was the 19 accused? 20 OWENS: Based on my experience with the Internal 21 Investigation Unit and based on the length of my tenure, no. 22 URIS: Okay. Let s see. I think that may be getting 23 close to the end. Let s go off the record for just a 24 minute. And it is 11:11. We ll be off the record. 25 (OFF THE RECORD)
back and if 000222 000026 Page 26 1 URIS: Okay. We ll be back - on the record. It s 2 1114 hours. And while we were off the record, Sergeant 3 Owens, did I coach you in any way on how to answer any of 4 these questions? 5 OWENS: No. 6 URIE: Okay. I am going to ask a question again. I m not 7 sure if I asked it correctly. 8 So if the Weavers double dipped or a third party paid for 9 their parking and they submitted receipts to King County for 10 reimbursement, would that violate a finance policy section of the Code of Conduct or the King County Ethics Rules? 12 OWENS: I m not intimately familiar with it, but I believe 13 so, yes. 14 URIS: Okay. So basically, if I use a the Weavers 15 used a Guild credit card, paid for parking, so the Guild 16 paid for the parking initially, and -- then submitted 17 receipts that they received from that parking to the County 18 and then the County paid them for the parking that they 19 didn t pay for in the first place, that would be a 20 violation? 21 OWENS: Yes. 22 URIE: Okay. 23 PIERSON: And the first you became aware of them paying 24 the money back was when they gave you the check? You hadn t 25 heard anything prior to that?
and and and not I m 000223 000027 Page 27 1 OWENS: I d heard rumors. I hadn t given them any 2 credence. 3 PIERSON: I mean - 4 heard? what were the rumors that you 5 OWENS: Somebody - somebody Randy basically told me, 6 and I believe when he gave me the check was that, I m sick 7 and tired of people accusing me of being a double dipper, 8 or words to that effect. That may not be a direct quote. 9 URIE: Okay. 10 OWENS: I ll be honest with you, this has been a difficult 11 time. 12 PIERSON: So it actually sounds like he was giving the 13 Guild money based on outside pressure of potential 14 inappropriate actions? 15 OWENS: That seemed like an opinion about his motivations 16 and -- 17 PIERSON: Motivation. 18 OWENS: -- I -- I really can t do that. 19 PIERSON: Okay. 20 URIE: All right. Is there anything else regarding this 21 case that you think that we should know or might be useful 22 when we come to a conclusion? 23 OWENS: I really tried to keep myself above all this, so 24 frankly, I mean, not trying to do my job, but 25 when you sent me that notice of investigation to witness, I
I you at 000224 000028 Page 28 1 had no idea of the scope here at all. There had been very, 2 very few conversations about this. 3 URIE: That s -- mean, that s a good point and 4 especially as a sergeant and an officer with the Guild, I 5 would probably just close on would know this, as well 6 as I would, but according to the Code of Conduct, we all 7 have a responsibility to report any criminal activity, even 8 suspected criminal activity. We also 9 3.00.090. any rate, that s 10 So at any rate, anything else before we close? 11 OWENS: Oh, God, I hope not. 12 URIE: Okay. That s the record. And I think the time 13 changed. It s 11:17. Thank you. 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25
000225 000029 Page 29 CERTIFICATE STATE OF WASHINGTON ss COUNTY OF KING I, the undersigned, do hereby certify under penalty of perjury that the foregoing recorded statements, hearings and/or interviews were transcribed under my direction as a court reporter; and that the transcript is true and accurate to the best of my knowledge and ability, including any changes made by the trial judge reviewing the transcript; that I received the electronic recording directly from the trial court conducting the proceedings; that I am not a relative or employee of any attorney or counsel employed by the parties hereto, nor financially interested in its outcome. IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this 28th day of March, 2016. Elizabeth R. Blackburn, CCR
000226 000030 Interview of Matt Owens March 17, 2016 Page 1 A ability 2:23 29:11 above-average 4:1 absorb 15:20 access 4:22 account 3:3 17:10,12 18:16 18: 17,17,19 accounts 12:17 accurate 3:3 20:13 29:10 accused 25:19 accusing 27:7 Act 3:5 actions 27:14 activity 28:7,8 actual 20:3 adviser 3:2 ago 4:7 15:16,18 agreement 5:6 5:12,23 6:3,6 7:10 8:23 9:3 9:16 21:1 ahead 11:1 allowed 6:23 14:2 altogether 20:19 amount 15:19 18:18 and/or 29:8 answer 3:2 26:3 anyway 11:1 applied 7:6 8:24 apply 5:6,12 8:16 appropriate 25:17 approximately 4:7 15:18 21:19 apropos 22:6 arbitration 4:6 21:11 aside 22:6,7 asked 3:4 12:10 13:18,19 18:25 22:8,11 26:7 assigned 18:17 18:19 21:6,11 associated 13:8 attorney 29:15 authorization 13:5 authorized 14:13 automatic 7:18 7:22,25 awarded 4:8 aware 13:19,20 26:23 B back 10:22 11:4 16:5,7 26:1,1 26:24 backed 23:25 balance 17:11 bank 6:17 12:10 20:18 based 9: 1,16 12:19 20:25 25:20,21 27:13 basically 12:3 26:14 27:5 beginning 17:11 believe 4: 10,17 4:21,21,23 5:4 5:16 6:16 7:9 8:22 9:20 16:17,21 21:4 21:21 26:12 27:6 belonged 12:11 12:14 belonging 18:22 best 29: 11 better 14:13 23:16 big 16:7 billed 4:16,23 billing 16:9 bit 23:11 Blackburn 29:23 board3:21 13:3 14:2,3 23:23 body 22:16 bottom 6:21,22 bridge 22:2 23:15 25:2 bridges 23:16 Brown 1:15 2:11 2:11 4:11 13:24 build 23:16 builder 23:15 building 9:13 bunch 17:23 business 14:11 17:9 B-R-O-W-N 2:12 C C 29:1,1 Campus 9:11 Capitol 9:11 captain 1:11 2:6 3:24 card4:22 8:14 8:16 12:10,13 12:22 13:1,6,9 13:12,14,16 14:12 18:21,25 19:3,21 20:14 21:8 26:15 cards 13:18,21 14:3,17,23 15:1 care 24:22 careful 22:17 carries 3:8 case 1:42:5 3:1 3:5,8 24:19 25:18 27:21 cashed 11:1 caught 11:8 cause 24:1 CCR 29:23 Center 9:14 certify 29:7 changed 22:16 28:13 changes 29:11 charged 18:18 check 10:7,9,17 11:1,9 12:5 15:4,7 26:24 27:6 checking 17:9 Chinese 22:2 1 city 18:18 clip 17:3 close 25:23 28:5 28:10 clue 9:17 11:19 16:1 coach 26:3 Code 4:2 26:11 28:6 come 27:22 communicate 2:25 communicated 24:18 communication 23:11,17 24:20 commuted 21:12 compensated 24:13 compensation 24:11 complaints 2:21 completely 3:3 complicated 5:10 conceal 23:2 concerned 10:25 11:2,9 conclusion 27:22 concur 25:16 conditions 21:5 Conduct 4:2 26:11 28:6 conducting 29:13 confirmed 12:13 confronted 25:1 confusing 20:22 consequences 3:9 24:5 consequently 4:12 contact 12:1 24:23 contacted 21:19 22:14 contended 23:21 content 6:3 contentious 23:21 contract 4:9,9 Convention 9:10 conversation 21:20 25:14 conversations 28:2 cooperate 2:24 copies 9:8 copy 11:10 22:23 corner 17:12 correct 4:11 8:12,13 12:14 12:17 18:22 21:3 Corrections 3:21 4:5,8 6:6 6:13 8:9 13:4 14:18,21 17:10 correctly 26:7 counsel 29:15 county 2:14 3:18 3:21 4:5,7,17 5:4,5,6,12 6:6 6:13,25 8:16 Reed Jackson Watkins Court Certified Transcription 206. 624.3005
Interview of Matt Owens March 17, 2016 Page 2 000227 000031 9:6,15,18 13:4 13:21 14:18,21 15:25 16:3 17:10 21:2 26:9,11,17,18 29:5 couple 20:11 court 3:15 29:9 29:13 courthouse 2:15 3:16 23:14 Court-Certified 1:23 credence 27:2 credit 8:14,16 12:10,13,22 13 :6,12, 14, 16 13:17,21 14:3 14:12,17 18:21 18:25 19:3 20:14 21:8 26:15 criminal 28:7,8 curious 10:25 11:2 21:22 current 3: 14 D DAJD 11:17 19:2 dark 23: 10 date 2:13 10:12 10:12 16:16 18:15 19:23 20: 12,13, 14,15 20:24 21:4 dated 17:11,20 dates 19:3,6,20 20:2,3 David 1:15 2:11 13:24 day7:5 8:2 20:11,18 29:19 days 6:25 7:2 deal 16:7 December 16:2 deduction 7:18 8:1 definitely 10:25 24:17 Department 2:20,23 3:24 4:2 detail3:15 determined 7:5 differ 4:20 different 13:1 16:11,12 20:2 difficult 18:7 27:10 difficulties 11:23 Dig 7:17 dipped 26:8 dipper 27:7 dipping 8:17 16:18 direct 27:8 direction 29:9 directly 4:16,17 22:4 29:13 disciplinary 3:9 discipline 7:7 21:2 disciplined 7:1 discourse 16:18 discussed 16:19 24:24 discussion 22:6 discussions 2:19 6:3 7:12 disregard 13:25 disruptive 2:19 document 5:18 6:10,11,11,12 6:14 16:24 17:8 18:1,11 18: 13, 14 documents 17:7 doing 14:8 21:11 24:5 double 8:17 16:18 26:8 27:7 draft 18:4 dual 11:7,21 duration 4:9 E E 14:3 23:23 29:1,1 earlier 8:23 18:21 effect 27:8 efficient 2:20 either 4:21 elected 14:16 election 23:21 23:22 electronic 29:13 Elizabeth 29:23 employed 3:17 29:15 employee 29:14 employment 3:10 encouraged 16:15 entirely 4:24 Eric 2:6 especially 28:4 ethics 8:20 26:11 everybody 23:23 evidence 3:6 exactly 7:24 example 19:18 Excel 17:22 executive 3:20 13:3 14:2 exist2l:5 expects 2:24 expense 19:4 expenses 16:5 18:1,24 experience 25:20 F F 29:1 facilities 9:15 facility 5:5 familiar 6:10 8:7,25 9:2 15:2 18:12 26:12 feel 17:4 19:13 feeling23:18 fees 5:8,14 felt 15:13 fiduciary 14:15 fill 7:21 fills 7:4 finance 9:23 11:18 19:2 20:22 26:10 finances 12:1 22:5,8 financial 22:9 24:11,16,17 financially 29:16 find 6:7 14:7 16:8 19:14 Fine 23:6 fire 22:2 1 firmly 10:13 first 17:8 18:4 19:12 26:19,23 floor3:16 23:13 23:13 following 19:3 follow-up 22:11 foregoing 29:8 form 6:6,14,20 7:7,22 8:2 fosters 2:22 found 7:2 15:10 four 12:15 18:16 frank 24:21 frankly 27:24 free 4:8 17:4 19:13 front 5:18 full3:3 fully 2:24 functions 11:24 18:10 funny 23: 15 25:10 G game 7:14 gap 23:11 garage 4:19 5:1 5:8,14 6:19 7:15 8:15,24 9:11,14,14 13:21 21:9 gates 4:22 geographic 23:12 getting 4:14 11:5 25:22 give 14:2 given 22:9 27:1 giving 27:12 go 14:6 25:23 Goat4:19 5:1,8 5:14 6:19 7:14 7:21 8:15,24 20:10 21:9 God 28:11 goes 23:7 going 4: 15,17 6:5,7 12:2,4 16:22,24 17:23 20:15 21:22,24 22:4,24 23:1,3 23:5,9 26:6 good 14:11 28:3 gotten 11:4 ground 25:13 guess 14:12 16:22 guessing 16:22 Guild 3:21 4:5,8 4:25 5:7,12,13 5:24,25 6:6,13 7:4,11 8:9,11 8:14,24 9:2 10:8,22 11:5 Reed Jackson Watkins Court Certified Transcription 206.624.3005
000228 000032 Interview of Matt Owens March 17, 2016 Page 3 11:11,24 12:1 12:11,14,17,22 13:5,5,12,14 13:16,17,17,20 13:20 14:2,2,9 14:18,21 16:5 16:6,13 17:10 18:1,9,10,22 18:24 21:2,8 21:11,25 22:5 22:7 23:23 24:10,15 25:3 25:6,7 26:15 26:15 27:13 28:4 Guild s 10:18,21 13:6 guys 23:14 H hamper 2:22 hand 29:18 handle 18:2 happened 21:20 22:15 harmful 2:21 hat 11:7,21 25:14 heading 6:13 heard 26:25 27:1,4 hearing 21:22 hearings 29:8 heck 14:14 24:25 hell s 23:1 hereto 29:15 hereunto 29:18 Hey 12:4 Hill 4:19 5:1,8 5:14 6:19 7:14 7:21 8:15,24 20:10 21:9 hinders 2:20 hold 3:20 24:10 holding 11:7 19:5 honest3:3 11:6 21:24 22:19 27:10 hope 9:4 14:4 28:11 Hospital 9:12 hotly 23:21 hours 21:19 26:2 I IBM9:13 idea 17:24 19:17 28:1 identified 17:12 17:20 18:22 identify 16:25 17:7 identity 3:6 IIU 2:5,15,24 3:8,23 21:18 22:9,12 impact24:16,17 inappropriate 27:14 including 3:6 29:11 incredible 15:19 indicate 16:2 20:25 indicated 22:13 indicates 20:23 indicating 6:18 individual 5:7 5:13,24 6:16 14: 19,20 information 3:4 12:19 15:15,19 23:1 informed 12:3 initially 26:16 instantly 23:18 intent 5:23 7:16 interested 29:16 internal 1:3 11:23 22:5,7 23:8 25:20 interpreted 25:11 interview 1:2 2: 15,17 Interviewers 1:10 interviews 29:9 intimately 26:12 Intrinsically 8:21 investigation 1:3 2:21 3:4 22:22 25:21 27:25 investigations 2:19 23:8 investigators 2:23 involved 6:2 9:5 issue 5:22 16:19 issues 23:22 J Jackson 1:22 January 10:10 10:14,16 15:4 16:6 19:6,15 job 27:24 John 22:14 jointly 9:10 judge 29: 12 July 19:6,15 K keep 27:23 kept 11:10 kind 8:19 14:15 16:8 18:18 22:16,20 23:6 23:9,24,24,25 24:14 King 2:14 3:17 3:21 4:4,7 5:6 5:12 6:5,13 9:15,18 13:4 13:21 14:18,21 16:3 17:10 26:9,11 29:5 know 8:21 9:24 11:6,16,16 13:7 14:4 15:5 15:12,24 16:9 18:9 21:23 22:22,25 23:9 23:14,16 24:4 24:21 27:21 28:5 knowledge 29:11 L lack 14:12 laws 3:5 lay25:13 learning 16:12 leave 18:9 21:11 leaving 23:9 led 7:9 left 17:12 legal3:2 length 25:2 1 let s 5:2 8:6 15:4 16:23,23 25:22 25:23 lines 6:18 21:14 listed 19:6 little 23:11 location 18:18 long 3:17 15:16 look 6:10 17:6 looking 19:20 looks 17:8,8,22 17:25 18:12,12 lot 7:12 18:8 Loudermill 21:21 22:7 lying 3 :8 M machine 20:16 March 1:7 2:2 2:13 12:8 21:19 25:2 29:19 Mattl:2 2:9 mean 11:10 14:10 16:11 23:20 24:2 25:5 27:3,24 28:3 meeting 10:10 12:1,3 16:18 18:5 member 4:25 7:4 8:11 25:6,7 members 4:5 5:7 5:13,25 13:4 13:17,20 14:2 14:3 memo 12:7 mentioned 2:14 Mercer 9:14 midst 23:20 Mike 13:24 mind 10:13 minimize 24:22 minute 25:24 missed 19:11 missing 19:10 moment2l:25 money 10:8,18 10:21,24 11:4 26:24 27:13 months 4:7 16:6 motion 13:11 Motivation 27:17 motivations 27:15 Music 13:24 N name 2:5,6,9,11 14:19,21 18:15 need7:21 15:6 21:5 22:17 25:13 needs 13:10 negotiated 5:19 Reed Jackson Watkins Court Certified Transcription 206.624.3005
Interview of Matt Owens March 17, 2016 Page 4 000229 000033 negotiating 9:5 negotiations 6:2 7:16 never 13:16 NO! 22:20,23 normally 3:9 Nosl:4 notice 20:10 27:25 noticed 9:8 November 19:5 19:19,24,25 20:3,4,6,6 number4:13 12:13,21 17:12 18:16,17,17,19 19:21 22:3 23:22 numbers 12:11 12:15,16,19 0 observe 20:1 obtain 2:23 occurred 4:6 21:16 October 19:15 odd 11:3,3 15:10 15:12 16:8 office 17:1 22:1 22:14 officer 1:15 2:11 7:6 8:7,9,13 9:1,21 14:15 14:16 16:5,15 20:23 2 1:6,7 21:18 24:18 25:1,2,17 28:4 Official 1:21 oh 16:23 17:17 17:19 18:4,25 28:11 okay 2:4,13 3:13 3:17,20 4:1,4 4:19,25 5:6,17 5:21,23 6:2,5,9 6:12,21 7:4,10 7:17,25 8:6,11 8:23 9:8,21 10:2,17,19 11:10,12,16,20 12 :7, 16,20,24 13:3,12,23,25 14:6,6,22 15:24 16:2,23 17:5,14,16 18:3,6,11,14 19:8,12 20:20 21 :5,6,15 23:8 24:9,14 25:1,7 25:17,22 26:1 26:6,14,22 27:9,19 28:12 Ombudsman 22:14 Ombudsman s 17:1 once 3:23 10:5 ones 14:20 15:2 open 2: 19 operated 9:12 9:13 operation 2:20 opinion 27:15 order 18:1 ordering 2:25 organization 5:24 outcome 29:16 outside 27:13 Overlake 9:12 Owens 1:2 2:9,9 2:16,18 3:12 3: 15,19,22,25 4:3,6,12,21 5:4 5: 10,16,18,22 6:1,4,9,11,16 6:23 7:9,12,20 7:24 8:4,8,10 8:13,18,21 9:4 9:7,17,20,24 10:1,5,7,10,12 10: 15,18,20,25 11:3,13,15,19 11:23 12:6,9 12:12,15,18,23 13:2,7,10,14 13:16,19,22,24 14:4,14,20,23 15:1,3,10,15 15:18 16:1,8 16:17,21 17:3 17: 5,8, 15, 19 17:22 18:4,7 18: 12,15,20,23 19: 8, 12, 15,21 19:23 20:4,8 20:15,18,2 1 21:4,10,16,21 22:16 23:20 24:4,8,13,17 24:20,25 25:4 25 :6,8, 10, 16 25:20 26:3,5 26:12,21 27:1 27:5,10,15,18 27:23 28:11 O-W-E-N-S 2:10 ooo2:1 P packet 11:17 pages 17:16 paid 4:14,25 5:2 6:24,25 15:24 16:3,5 26:8,15 26: 16,18 paper 6:8 14:7 17:3, 17 papers 7:17 paragraph 6:22 parked 4:15,19 6:19 7:14,19 parking4:4,8,14 4:22 5:1,2,7,13 6:6,13,24 7:1,3 8: 1,2,15,24,25 9:2,11,13,13 9:22 10:3,19 10:21 12:5 13: 1,6,13,18 13:21 15:22,25 16:5 19:2 20:13,25 21:8 26 :9, 15, 16, 17 26:18 part 17:9 23:12 particular 6:12 17:17,18 parties 29:15 party 26:8 pay 4:21 8:1,2 8:14 13:1,6,13 13:18,21 21:8 26:19 paycheck 7:23 paying 7:13 10:23 26:23 payment 11:14 16:15 payroll 7:18 8:1 peek 17:1 19:9 19:13 peer 25:4 penalty 29:7 people 4: 13,15 27:7 perfectly 22:19 performing 11:24 18:9 period 6:24 16:10 18:8 perjury 29:8 permission 2:16 13:5 person 14:19 20:16 physical 15:1 24:6 piece 6:7 14:7 Pierson 1:12 2:8 2:8 7:18,21,25 8:5 11:21 12:3 12:21,24 14:8 14:17,22,25 15:2 24:10,14 26:23 27:3,12 27: 17,19 place9:10 15:12 15:14,20 18:15 26:19 please 6:5,22 point28:3 policy 8:19 14:5 14:9 26:10 portion 11:5 position 3:14,20 9:2 24:10,12 possible 21:16 post 20:11 posting 20:2 posture 22:16 potential 27:13 practice 14:11 prepared 17:23 17:25 18:1,3 Present 1:14 presently 11:24 president 3:22 8:10 11:25 13:4 14:9 press 22:25 pressure 27:13 printed 20:16 prior 18:5 26:25 probably 10:15 28:5 proceedings 29:14 produced 18:11 proper 2:21 provide 3:2 10:9 provided 9:9 10:7 16:25 public 3:5 16:17 purchase 13:11 18:16 Pursuant 3:5 put 3 :2 Reed Jackson Watkins Court Certified Transcription 206.624.3005
000230 000034 Interview of Matt Owens March 17, 2016 Page 5 putting 20:1 P-I-E-R-S-O-N 2:8 question 6:7 14:1 19:1 22:8 22:11 26:6 questions 3:2 26:4 quote 27:8 R R 29:1,23 Randy 8:7 9:9 9:21 10:2,7 15:7,24 16:15 20:23 21:7,10 21:18,21 22:22 25:1 27:5 rate 28: 8,10 read 3:11 6:22 realized 22:24 really 11:6 15:11 16:7 22:17 23:17 24:1,22 27:18 27:23 reason 21: 13 recall5:20 7:15 7:24 14:20 15:16 receipt 8:4,16 15:23 20:6,13 20:15 receipts 6:17 9:8 9:22 10:21 11:4,9,10, 12 11:17 19:2,18 21:1 26:9,17 receive 7:6 received 19:2 21:18 22:20,23 26:17 29:12 recognize 12:18 17:15 recognized 12:15,2 1 record 2:4,16 3:8 19:19 25:23,24,25 26:1,2 28:12 recorded 29:8 recording 1:21 29:13 records 3:5 11:11 16:2,4 20:24 22:9 Reed 1:22 reelected 24:3 24:16 refer 6:5 11:22 15:4 16:24 regard 6:3 regarding 2:5 3:1 27:20 reimburse 5:24 reimbursed 4:17 5:3 6:24 reimbursement 4:4 5:8,14 6:14 6:17 7:3,6,22 8:17 9:10 10:3 13:18,19 15:22 15:25 19:2 26:10 reimbursements 4:14,16 16:13 related 22:5 relative 29:14 released 3:7 remember 12:7 15:16 remembering 18:7 repay 16:6 repeat 5: 10 report 19:5 21:18 28:7 reporter 29:10 representative 3:1 25:3 Republican 9:12 reputations 2:22 requested 7:3 9:10 requesting 5:7 5:13 response 22:10 22:19 23:2 responsibility 28:7 responsible 9:15 9:19 result2l:23 retroactively 5:8 5:14 returned 9:22 reviewing 29:12 right 3:23 5:18 11:7 20:17 25:9 27:20 RMS 20:23 21:6 21:7 room2:15 rule 8:20 rules 13:8 25:13 26:11 rumors 2:22 27:1,3 S saying 10:7 scanned 9:8 scene 24:1 scope 28:1 Seahawk 7:13 Seattle 3:16 5:2 9:13 secretary 14:10 section 26:10 see 14:6 16:23 19 :4, 12, 13,16 21:23 25:22 seeing 14:20 seen 14:24 sense 20:2 1 sent 12:7 27:25 September 19:4 19:12 sergeant 1:12 2:8,9,16 3:15 3:23 26:2 28:4 service 20:3,12 setl0:13 29:18 seven 12:16 severe 3:9 sheets 17:17,19 shirt25:10 show 18:14 shows 18:15,20 sick 27:6 similar 17:23 sitting 13:24 14:10 situation 4:13 15:10 six 15:18 sky 22:2 25:2 somebody 6:17 7:13 14:11 27:5,5 Sonya 9:9,21 10:2 20:23 21:6 24:18,20 Sorry 19:1 sorts 25:11 sounds 27:12 speaking 25:2 specific 6:11 14:5,9 15:13 specifically 4:15 16:18 22:8 23:4 spelled 2:6,9,11 spreadsheet 17:22,25 Square 9:14 ss29:4 started 4:9 starts 25:15 State 9:11 29:3 statement 17:9 statements 3:6 6:18 16:4 17:23 29:8 Steers 22:14 stepped 22:1 strange 12:25 13:2 strange/not 13:2 strictly 5:4 stripes 25:11 struggling 12:2 stuff 18:8 22:21 style 18:12 subject 21:2 submitted 6:19 8:4 10:20 11:17 15:8,22 15:23 20:25 26:9,16 subordinate 24:2 1 sudden 11:5 Summary 18:24 support 13:11 sure 4:24 5:19 15:13,17 19:10 20:20 21:17 26:7 suspected 28:8 suspicious 10:23 15:9,11 sustained 3:8 swirling 23:22 system 4:24 T T 29:1,1 take 17:1,3 19:9 19:13 23:19 24:6 talk 10:3 16:23 2 1:25 talked 8:23,25 15:5 22:3,12 talking 16:19 22:7 23:7 25:4 25: 12,18 tear 23 :17 Reed Jackson Watkins Court Certified Transcription 206. 624.3005
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