व त ल प न.477, प लक ड (त मलन ड त मलन ड ), दन क 01.01.08 Disc.CD No.477, dated 01.10.08 at Palacode (Tamilnadu) समय:07 07.02 02-09 09.30 ज स - ब ब, भ म र म यण ब लत ह न व र म यण म र वण त ल क म थ व स त क हरण करक ल कर गय तब य र म क ज (bridge) बन य थ ब ब - ह र म स त बन य ज स - र म स त बन य उसक और अभ क... अभ र म स त क ब र म लड़ ई... Time: 07.02-09.30 Student: Baba, they recite the Ramayana in bhakti, don t they? In that Ramayana, Ravana was in Sri Lanka. He abducted Sita. Then this bridge of Ram was built. Baba: Yes. The Ram Setu (bridge) was built. Student: The Ram Setu was built. That one and the present one. There is a dispute on the Ram Setu now. ब ब - अभ यह ज एडव स न चल रह ह र म क प ट क र और एडव स प ट क र व ज न र न क प ल ह व प थर ब य क ह य प रस ब य क ह? प थर ब ह उन प थर ब य क र ज न ह व म ऊ ट आब तक पह च रह ह क नह? पह च रह ह न व र म स त ह गय ज ल क म र वण क ल क कह, अभ म ऊ ट आब कह र वण क द श ह गय न उस द श म ज भ एडव स न ल ज पह च रह ह व र म स त ह गय त ल क व ल च हत ह? ल क व ल नह च हत यह भ रत क ज म य व गवम ट ह व भ नह च हत क र म स त रह और र म स द य व ल य च हत ह? र म स त रह जनत प ट य च हत ह? र म स त च हए य नह च हए? नह च हए त यह त वग थ पन ह नह ह ग इस लए र म स त च ह हद म ह और च ह ब हद म ह द न म एक ह ब त ह ल ग ह न व ल Baba: The advance knowledge that is going on now here through Ram s party and through the Advance Party. That bridge of gems of knowledge, is it of souls with stone-like intellect or of souls with paras 1 -like intellect? They have a stone-like intellect. Is the knowledge reaching Mt. Abu through those souls with a stone-like intellect or not? It is reaching there, isn t it? That is the Ram Setu 2 (Ram s bridge). You may call (that place) it Ravan s Lanka or you may call it Mt. Abu now. It is Ravan s country, isn t it? The advance knowledge that is reaching that country is [through] Ram Setu. So, do the Lankans (residents of Lanka) like it? The Lankans don t like it. Here, the illusive government of India also does not want the Ram Setu to exist. And what does the Ram community want? The Ram Setu should exist. What does the Janata Party want? Is the Ram Setu required or not? If they don t want it then the heaven will not be established here. This is why whether it is Ram Setu in a limited sense or an unlimited sense, the same is applicable to both. 1 Philosopher s stone 2 A bridge connecting India and Srilanka is believed to exist underwater and this had risen into a religio-political issue in India. 1
वह भ र म यण म दख त ह क र म स त जब बन य गय त द ब दर थ उनक ह थ स ज प थर ड ल ज त थ व त रन लगत थ ड बत नह थ त यह द ब दर क न ह? र म और क ण य र म और क ण द ब दर ह जनक ब प ह थ स जन प थर ब य क त र य ज त ह न जल म व ऊपर ह ऊपर रहत ह ड बत नह ह Even in the Ramayana it is shown that when the Ram Setu was built, there were two monkeys. Whatever stones used to be dropped (into the ocean) by them used to float; they did not sink. So, who are the two monkeys here? Ram and Krishna. These Ram and Krishna are two monkeys through whose hand of intellect the souls with stone-like intellect are made to float on the water of knowledge. They keep floating and do not sink. समय:10 10.36 36-11 11.43 ज स - र ग वर क म न ग य ह? ब ब - र ग र ग म न न क र ग ज न क र ग लग न व ल ई वर ह य? ऐस ई वर ज न क र ग चढ़ ए द त ह अब र ग एक तरह क ह त ह य अन क क र क र ग ह त ह? र ग चढ़ न व ल र ग वर एक ह ह ल कन र ग अन क क र क चढ़ ज त ह इस लए स त र ग म न ज त ह म य र ग कतन म न ज त ह? स त र ग ह त ह त स त ह न र यण नकलत ह य? स त न र यण नकलत ह ज र ग न ह त ह मज ज क र ग न मज ज ह त ह त व द सर -2 धम म कनवट ह ज त ह एक र ग ऐस ह जसक र ग न नह कह ग उसक कह ग सफ द इस लए ज त न म त य क झ ड य दग र बन ह आ ह उसम ब च क र ग क स ह? सफ द ह Time: 10.36-11.43 Student: What is the meaning of Rangeshwar? Baba: Rang (colour). Rang means the colour of knowledge. Ishwar (God) who applies the colour of knowledge. What? Ishwar, the one who applies the colour of knowledge. Well is there only one colour or are there different kinds of colours? Rangeshwar, the one who applies the colour is only one. But different kinds of colours are applied. This is why there are believed to be seven colours. How many are the main colours? There are seven colours. So, seven Narayans emerge. What? Seven Narayans, who have a colourful attitude, emerge. They have a colourful attitude; so they convert to other religions. There is one colour which is not called colourful; it is called white. This is why in the memorial of the three personalities, i.e. the flag, which colour is shown in the center? It is white. समय: 12.34 34-18 18.18 ज स - ब ब, कण ह न व त स य क ब च ह इधर एडव स म कण क न ह? ब ब - ज कण ह कण क अथ य ह त ह? कण म न क न य? कण म न क न क न क क म य ह त ह? स नन क न स स न ज त ह और क न क स न य ज त ह त यह क न ह कण? न क भ ष म जसन स नन बह त कय और स न न बह त कय व क न ह कण? ल कन उसन क रव क स थ य द दय प डव क स थ नह दय और बह त प वरफ ल थ क रव क उसक प वर क ऊपर न ज़ थ अर! कण हम र स थ ह य? उनक 2
य न ज़ थ, क रव क? कण हम र स थ ह हम र वजय ज़ र ह ग स य क प ह कसक प ह? स य क प ह Time: 12.34-18.18 Student: Baba, Karna 3 is son of the Sun. Here, in advance (party), who is Karna? Baba: The one who is Karna; what is meant by Karna? Karna means ears. What? Karna means ears. What is the task of the ears? To listen. We listen through the ears and we say something into the ears. So, who is Karna here? In the language of knowledge, the one who listened a lot and the one who narrated a lot; who is that Karna? But he sided more with the Kauravas. He did not side with the Pandavas. And he was very powerful. Kauravas were very proud of his power. Arey! Karna is with us. What? What were the Kauravas proud of? Karna is with us. We will certainly win. He is the son of the Sun. Whose son is he? He is son of the Sun. और कण एक ब त और वश षत ह बह त द न थ मह द न उसन जतन द न कय उतन और कस न द न नह कय त य ब त ब क ल लयर ह क ण क द नय म तन क द न, धन क द न और मन ज लग य व द नय म नह लग य कह लग य? न म लग य भल ब म नई ब त नह नकल ल कन फर भ ज भगव न न स न य स ह स न व ह द सर क स न य त तन स, मन स, धन स, व च स सबस य द द न कय क नह कय? कय त व कण ह गय अ छ और प डव पहल य त प ज म ल त ह य कण पहल ज म ल त ह? ज स - कण And there is one more specialty of Karna. He was a very great donor (mahaadaani). Nobody donated as much as he. So, it is very clear that nobody in the world donated as much as he donated his body, wealth and mind in the world of Brahmins. Where did he invest? He invested it in knowledge. Although nothing new emerged in the intellect he heard whatever God narrated. He narrated the same to others. So, did he donate the most through body, mind, wealth, words or not? He did. So, he is Karna. OK. And do the Pandavas take the revelation like birth first or does Karna take birth first? Student: Karna. ब ब - स य क प त ह ल कन स य क प क स ह पहल ज म ल न व ल य ब द म ज म ल न व ल? पहल ज म ल न व ल पहल उसक य त ह त ह त य ह गय और उस कण क प लन करन व ल क न ह? ज स - क रव ब ब - नह, नह क रव नह ह (ज ) प लन करन व ल ह - व द स-द स बनन व ल य द वभ व क ह य र ज बनन व ल वभ व क ह? ज ह न भ प लन क ह व वधम ह य वधम ह? वधम ह जतन भ वधम द सर धम म कनवट ह न व ल ह व भ रत क ध ख द न व ल ह ज ध ख द न व ल ह व द स-द स बन ग, द स-द स वभ व क ह ग य र ज 3 The son of Kunti in Mahabharata epic who was born to her before marriage, he sided with the Kauravas, brought up by a charioteer. 3
र न वभ व क ह ग? द स-द स वभ व क ह ग त कण क प लन कसन क? द स प कह ज त ह - स तप रथ ह कन व ल ज रथ चल त ह, क र चल न व ल ह त ह, व सव ट ह त ह य क म लक ह त ह? ज स - सव ट ह त ह Baba: He is no doubt son of the Sun. But what type of a son of the Sun is he? Does he take birth first or does he take birth later? He is the one who takes birth first. First he is revealed. So, he was revealed. And who takes care of that Karna? Student: Kauravas. Baba: No, no. It is not the Kauravas. Do those who take care (of Karna) have more sanskars of becoming servants or do they have the nature of becoming kings? All those who have given sustenance (to Karna), are they vidharmis or swadharmis 4? They are vidharmis. All the vidharmis convert to other religions. They deceive Bharat. Will those who deceive become servants, will they have the nature of servants or will they have the nature of kings and queens? They will have the nature of servants. So, who took care of Karna? He is called the son of a servant (daasiputra), the son of a charioteer (sootputra), the one who drives a chariot. The one who drives a chariot, the one who drives a car, is he a servant or a master? Student: He is a servant. ब ब - सव ट ह त ह त स तप थ कसक प थ? स तप थ म न द स क प थ र ज नह थ उसक र ज ई द क रव न द य धन न कण क अ ग द श क र ज बन य क नस द श क र ज बन य? अ ग द श य अ ग ह त ह न इनक र ज बन दय द ख! श म क स -क स श द य ज़ कए ह ज स - अ गर ज ब ब - अ गर ज अ ग द श क र ज य अ ग ज ह व आ म स कन ट ड ब त ह, आ म स कन ट ड ब त ह अ ग य द ह स कन ट ड ह? द ह स कन ट ड ह म न द हभ न अ ग द श क र ज म य द ह ग य द सर म ह ग? अ ग द श क ज र ज ह ग उसम सबस य द द हभ न ह ग Baba: He is a servant. So, he was the son of a charioteer. Whose son was he? He was the son of a charioteer. It means that he was the son of a servant. He was not a king. Kauravas gave him kingship. Duryodhan made him the king of a state named Anga. Of which place was he made the king? Anga. These are ang (i.e. organs), aren t they? He was made the king of these organs. Look! What kind of words have been used in the scriptures? Student: Angraj (King of Anga, another name of Karna). Baba: Angraj. King of the country named Anga. Are these organs connected to the soul or to the body? These are connected to the body. It means, will the king of the place Anga have more body consciousness or will others have more body consciousness? The one who is the king of the place Anga will have the most body consciousness. 4 Vidharmi: those belonging to a religion opposite to the Father s religion Svadharmi: those belonging to a religion supporting the principles of the Father s religion 4
समय:01 01.00 00.22 22-01 01.02 02.22 22 ज स - ब ब, द द ल खर ज न स क र क ड ऊट लयर करन क लए कलक त आय ब ब क स न न तभ द म त य थ एक ग त म त द सर र ध ब च व र ध ब च कन य ह य म त ह? Time: 01.00.22-01.02.22 Student: Baba, Dada Lekhraj came to Calcutta to narrate (about his visions) to Baba (i.e. Dada Lekhraj s partner) to clarify his doubts regarding visions. At that time there were two mothers, one was Gita mata and the other was Radha bachchi. Is that Radha bachchi a virgin or a mother? ब ब - द न ह म त य थ य? भ रत म त भ थ और जगत ब भ थ जगत ब म न? सभ द श क अ ब, सभ मह प क अ ब य सफ भ रत क अ ब? स र प व क अ ब व स र प व ज ह त ह त उसम द व म य भ ह त ह और र स आ म य भ ह त ह व सब क अ ब और ज द सर म त थ व अ ब त थ ; ल कन भ रत क म त ह म न ज आ द स अ त तक भ रतव स बनक रह ह द सर धम म कनवट नह ह ए ह उनक म त ह भ रत म त ज अ य त व ण म पहल अव य त व ण म ब ल ह न ÔÔभ रतम त शव श अवत र अ त क यह न र ह ÕÕ म त त ह ; ल कन व भ रतम त ह न ट ह न व ल म त ह य अ वन श म त ह? भ रत अ वन श द श ह, अ वन श ख ड ह य वन श ख ड ह? ज स - अ वन श Baba: Both were mothers. What? There was Mother India (Bharat Mata) as well as the World Mother (Jagatamba). What is meant by Jagatamba? Mother of all the countries, mother of all the continents or just the mother of India? The mother of entire Earth. In that entire Earth, there are deity souls as well as demoniac souls. She is the mother of everyone. And the other mother was no doubt a mother, but she is the mother of India. It means [the mother of] those who have remained Indians (Bhaaratwasis) since the beginning to the end; those who have not converted to other relgions. Their mother is Mother India, about whom it has been said in the first Avyakta Vani, Bhaaratmata Shiv Shakti Avtaar anth ka yahi naaraa hai. (Mother India is the incarnation of Shiv shakti ; this is the slogan of the end) She is no doubt a mother, but she is Mother India; is she a perishable mother or an imperishable mother? Is India an imperishable county, an imperishable land or a perishable land? Student: Imperishable. ब ब - अ य भच र पन क जह बह त म यत ह व अ वन श ख ड ह और जन वद श म य भच र क म यत द द य? य भच र क म यत द द क य द स य द श दय कर, ख ब स ख भ ग, ख ब ब च प द कर त व वन श ह ज त ह य भच र स ह त ह वन श अ य भच र स ह त ह थ पन य रट स ह त ह थ पन, इम य रट स ह त ह वन श Baba: The place where people have a lot of faith in purity is an imperishable land. And the foreign countries where adultery has been recognized. What? The place where adultery has been given recognition saying that a person can marry as many times as he wants, enjoy maximum pleasures, give birth to a lot of children; so, that (land) becomes destructible. Adultery leads to 5
destruction. Purity brings about establishment. Purity brings about establishment; impurity brings about destruction. समय:01 01.03 03.36 36-01 01.05 05.23 ज स - भ रतम त ब ल ह त उसक प त भ ह ग त व क न ह? ब ब - अर! आए भ रत म भगव न अर! प त आत ह त कसक आध र ल त ह, कसम आत ह? प त ह त कसक आध र ल त ह? म त क आध र ल त ह न आए भ रत म भगव न त कसक आध र लय? म त क ह आध र ल त ह Time: 01.03.36-01.05.23 Student: When it is said Mother India, she must have a husband, too. So, who is he? Baba: Arey! (There is a song) Aaye Bhaarat me Bhagwaan (God comes in Bharat). Arey! When a husband comes, whose support does he take? In whom does He come? If He is the husband, whose support does He take? He takes the support of the mother, does He not? God came in Bharat; so whose support did He take? He takes the support of a mother only. ज स - र म त एक प व ल ह स वकर म क प ह य व? कसक प ह? ब ब - व ज य क आ द म द म त य थ क लय ग क अ त म सब प तत ह त ह क क ई प वन भ बचत ह? सब प तत ह त ह य? सब प तत ह और य द प ततपन क नस द श म ह? भ रत म और भ रत म भ क नस ऐस शहर ह जह य द स य द व य व चल ह? कलक त मह क ल क प ज कह ह त ह? कलक त म मह क ल म सख र ह य श क ह र ह? ज स - म स ख न व ल Student: Ram is monogamous (i.e. has one wife). Is she Sevakram s wife? Whose wife is she? Baba: Is it about the two mothers who were at the beginning of the yagya? In the end of the Iron Age, is everyone sinful or is there anyone pure? Everyone is sinful. What? Everyone is sinful. And in which country is there more sinfulness? In Bharat. And even in Bharat, which city has witnessed maximum prostitution? Calcutta. Where is Mahakali worshipped? In Calcutta. Is Mahakali non-vegetarian or vegetarian? Student: Non-vegetarian. ब ब - द क र क द वय ह एक म स ह र और एक श क ह र त म स ह र क प ज कह ह त ह? कलक त म ह ह त ह त कलक त ज ह उसम च ह ब ब ह, च ह उनक भ ग द र ह भ ग द र ह त प तत पन म भ भ ग द र ह और प वन बनन म भ भ ग द र ह त य प छन क ब त ह य? Baba: There are two kinds of female deities (devis). One is non-vegetarian (maansahaari) and one is vegetarian (shaakaahari). So, where is the non-vegetarian (devi) worshipped? In Calcutta. So, whether it is Brahma Baba or his partner in Calcutta; if he is a partner, he is a partner in sinfulness as well as in becoming pure. So, is there any need to ask about it? Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation. 6