THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA AT CHAPEL HILL SOUTHERN ORAL HISTORY PROGRAM. Piedmont Social History Project. Interview.

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1 THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA AT CHAPEL HILL SOUTHERN ORAL HISTORY PROGRAM Piedmont Social History Project Interview with CURTIS ENLOW November 9, 1979 Greenville, South Carolina By Allen Tullos Transcribed by Sharon King Original transcript on deposit at The Southern Historical Collection Louis Round Wilson Library

2 ALLEN TULLOS: Mr. Enlow, why don't we begin with your parents and tell me a little bit about what they did and where they lived. CURTIS My dad, he worked at American Spinning. That's where we moved from there over here. I guess I was about four or five years old, and then been living here ever since. Do you know, did he always work in the mills? That's right, we were always worked in the mill. He worked in the card room, I worked in the card room, and my mother worked in the card room. Did your father ever say how it was he came to work in the mill? No, he never did say because he was very young. He went to work down at a little mill down here at Piedmont, and he toted water and light the lamps that's how young he was. And your mother, what did she do now? She worked in the card room too. She run frames speeders we call them. If you know anything about the card room, you know about the frames when we work in the mill. Your father fixed in the card room? Yeah, he's a fixer. When he first come to Poe Mill, he helped put in some machinery in the new part of Poe Mill, then he went to fixing. You grew up there in the Poe Mill village? That's right. I grew up in Poe Mill village. Did you go to school when you were a little boy? Yeah, I went to the sixth grade. I was about thirteen years old, and I decided I would go to work. Well I went to work, and my dad says if I quit when school start, he'd let me work. When school started, I didn't quit. I went back to school, but I wasn't learning nothing I

3 Enlow 2 didn't think I was. So I went and told him, and he says, "All right, you ain't learning nothing. Well, you can go back to the mill." Then I was fourteen years old when I went back. What did you start doing when you started? I was marking rope. What did you do when you did that? Describe that. That is right before we stopped the frames off. We took a piece of chalk and we marked every one of the bobbins so they'll know what it was. When it got full, the doffer doffed them. How many hours a day would you be working when you were thirteen? When I was fourteen, I was working eight hours all day. They come in there and made me quit working ten and go to work at eight hours. Soon as I got old enough, I commence working then the full time. When were you old enough? What age was that? I forgot now which one that was. It wasn't long though. I guess I must have been about sixteen years old, somewhere along there. Who was it that came and made you stop working the ten hours? I don't know who it was, but they come and examine us. That's when the overseer told me that I couldn't work but eight hours. Who was your overseer? Caps. Mr. Caps. Were you working in the same part of the mill that your father was in? That's right. Could you see him? No, I couldn't see him at all because he worked in the middle part, I worked in the far end. I couldn't see him.

4 Enlow 3 Were you all working one shift or two shifts or how many shifts? We was working one shift at that time. What time would you start to work? We'd start to work at 7:00 and quit at 6:00. Did they blow a whistle back then? That's right, they blowed the whistle. What time did the first whistle blow? I guess it was about half past. About 6:30? Yeah. You had to get up then? Yeah, then we had to go on to the mill. Would they blow another one? They did at dinner time, yes. They blowed one first to come back. They'd give us one hour for dinner, then we'd come back in then. Then you could go home if you liked? Go home for dinner. Your mother was working in the mill too? At that time, yes. Who would fix the dinner? We had a cook. We had a colored lady that cooked for us. Would she cook for other people too or.... No, she just cooked for us. Did she do that everyday? Every day except Saturday and Sunday. Where did she live? I don't know. Last time I knowed her, she lived over here next to Washington Avenue somewhere right in there, but I couldn't say which

5 Enlow 4 one it.... Did lots of people have cooks who lived in the mill village? No, not too many of them as I know of. Did you know how much she would, be paid- the woman that was doing the cooking? Five dollars a week. That's what she was paid. How about washing clothes? Who did that? My mother. All she done was come and cook. Did you all get any break time during your work day when you were a little boy? You didn't. We went in there and we worked right on up till stopping time. Of course, the work wasn't hard then. It was very easy because they had so many working in there till everybody just had little small jobs and it wasn't hard. Did you have time to go out and sit on the steps or go out in the yard or.... No, because if we did, our frames were liable... We had to be there to watch them. What was it like inside? Was it noisy? It wasn't how would I describe that it wasn't hardly as noisy as the weave room, but it was a little noisy. Could you talk to the other.... Oh yes. They could hear me. They talked to them all right. Do you remember people ever singing songs in the mill? No. Were there other boys doing the same job that you did? After I left from marking roping, yes. I went to doffing. Then there was a bunch of women and boys that done that.

6 Enlow 5 In the spinning room? No, in the card room. What were you doffing? We'd lay the flys up on... then we'd take the full rope and all, put it in the box, put new bobbins on it, set our flys back down, wrap the ends, start it back up. At the Poe Mill at that time, did they have a weave room too? Yes, they had weave room. What were they making? What kind of finished product? I know they was making eighty square and for a while this is way back in yonder it was they's making striped stuff with colors in it. What would that be used for? I don't know what they used it for. Did they make any sheeting? No, they didn't make no sheeting. Eighty squares because the looms wasn't wide enough to make a sheeting I don't think. What kind of looms would those have been? Drapers. The "E" model or.... I don't know. What about the equipment that was in the card room? What kind of machines were those? We had Saco Lowell frames in one end and Woonsockets in the other end and the cards I forgot the names of the cards. Was it dusty in there? To start with, yes. It was pretty dusty when they went to strip them out, but later on, they put a suction on there. It all you had to do was just pull it back and it sucked it out and went down

7 Enlow 6 into a waste room. Then they put on stripless cards and that cut it down. So it wasn't too dusty after they put all them on there. Do you remember people talking about breathing in the dust or talking about coughing or feeling smothered or anything like that. No, I never did. People, they just worked in there and when the time come to go home, they went home that's all. Did your two sisters, did they go to work in the mill when they were children? That's right. How old do you reckon they were? About your age or a little older or younger? I guess my sister, I believe she went to work when she was about twelve years old. That's Esther? Esther, she was about fourteen or fifteen years old when she went to work. That's your youngest sister? That's the youngest one. Where did they start to work? At Poe Mill. What part of the.... One of them was the frame hand and the other was a draw-in hand. The youngest sister was a draw-in hand. When you first started out, you said you were paid. Was it by the day or by the week? Paid by the week. What about other kinds of jobs? Was everybody paid by the week or the day or were some people being paid by the production at that time.

8 Enlow 7 The frame hands, when you running frames, you get paid by the many hanks you run. They had a certain amount that they paid for a hank. They figured them up everyday, and at the end of the week, then you got your pay for it. That was before they put those on clocks. They had the clocks. They had a big clock and it went around. That was a hank. They had them when you started? They had those clocks on there? That's right, they had them when I started. I hearddstories about people sometimes tying little ropes around there so the hank clock would run and.... To tell you the truth, I done the same thing one time. The hank clocks was about that big and it stuck up. It had another little ball on top of it. I had me a mill band from the spinning room, what they use. I just wrapped it around there, jerk it, and that hand /laughter/ I've done the same thing. That's when F. W. Poe was the owner of the mill. Would they ever catch up with folks? Yeah, they caught up with us. They drilled holes in it and bored a hole through the two studs that they put down in there. A wire went across it, and they bent it down. We couldn't do no more. What about when you weren't at work? You got off at the middle of the day on Saturday? No, when I first went to work and commenced to running frames, we stayed in there on Saturday. They stopped at 10:00. We had to clean them frames up till 12:00. Our clock wasn't running at that time, so we didn't get no pay for it. AT; What would you clean them up with? We used cotton.

9 Enlow 8 What do you do? You just clean out all the dust? First we clean out the gears, then we'd clean out the spindles, wipe off the guides, and then in between the carriage part wipe off the carriage part, the heads. That'd be Saturday afternoon. What would you do on Saturday afternoons? Play ball mostly in the summer. Baseball? Yes. Did the mill have a team? Yeah, we had a team. Did the Poes give money to support the team? They did buy some balls every once in a while, but they didn't do too much. You didn't have uniforms? Yeah, they had uniforms. Who bought the uniforms? Poe bought the uniforms. You would play some of these other mills? That's right, we'd play... they had some good teams at Poe Mill, and they had some that wasn't so good. How old were you when you started playing ball? I's about eighteen. Did you ever go back to school when the Parker School District started those different kind of vocational training? No, I never did. Did you know any people that went to those adult education classes that you can remember?

10 Enlow 9 I don't know. What about Sunday? What would you do on Sunday? Most of the time, I sat around and read. You read. Western books, such as that. Zane Grey? I read every one of the Zane Greys every one of them. Did your family take any kind of newspapers or magazines? Yeah, we took Greenville News. What about anything like the Saturday Evening Post or the.... No. The Grit, do you remember the Grit? come around. I used to buy the Grit every once in a while from a boy that That's about all. Did you ever go downtown to a movie? Yes, sir. I went to a many of them. What were the names of the theatres? Can you remember them? The Bijou, the Carolina, and one on the right was Rialto. They had three or four of them. Yeah, there's three or four of them. When would you go? They had different times. Sometimes we went at night, sometimes we'd go on Saturday evening. How would you get down there? Walk generally. We could walk it, I guess, it wouldn't take but about fifteen minutes if that much. Walk down there. I was young then, and I could really walk. Several of you would go together?

11 Enlow 10 That's right, several of us went. They used to have an old trolley line that came around. That's right. They had the old trolley that went from here to Dukeland. I used to ride it a lot going up there to dances. It went around and around a belt. Called it the belt line. What kind of dances would it be? Square dances. Was it string bands? Yeah, they had string bands. Fiddle player? That's right. Banjo? I don't know whether they had a banjo, but I know they had a fiddle and guitar though. They had them. Do you remember any names of any of those musicians that you.... No, I don't. Where would they have the dances? What kind of a place would you be? It was a park like. It just a big park. Outdoors. Yeah. They had a top on it. Go in there, then they had a place on the side where the spectators could sit if they wanted to. But it's growed up now. There ain't nothing up there. Do you remember ever hearing about Gid T a nner and the Skillet Lickers, or Fiddlin' John Carson, or Fisher Hendley and the Aristocratic Pigs? Have you ever heard of any of those people fiddle players you can remember? I may of beared of them, but if I did, I forgot them.

12 Enlow 11 Did you ever play an instrument? I tried to play a guitar once. In fact of the business fellow wanted to try to buy it from me, keep me from trying to string it /laughter/. What about your mother or father? Did they ever play an instrument? No. Did you all belong to a church? We went to Poe Baptist Church, yeah. Back then, Poe owned the houses. They come through the mill and say, "It's card room night at church tonight, I want to see you there." We'd always be there during revival. I went a lot of times during the other time. In fact, I go to church now a lot. Do you go back to the Poe.... ENLOW' 1 tack to Poe. Who would come through and say it was card room night at the church? Generally the overseer or the second hand. Dave Couch was the second hand in my end where I worked. We had two second hands at that time. Dave Couch was in one side and Mr. Greenway was in the other side. He would come along when you were working? Would that be on a Sunday night, or a Wednesday night? It would just be any time if they going to have the card room.... Revival? Yeah, revival. If they going to have it on Wednesday night, Wednesday morning, he'd come through. Mostly a church night. Did most everybody go or.... Most everybody go. They had to put out seats to set them all. The church wasn't big enough. They just put chairs out at the end of where we could sit down.

13 Enlow 12 Were there some people in the village that didn't go to church? I imagine they was. You don't remember anybody ever talking about so-and-so because he never came to church? Un-uh. Would they hold that against him on the job? No, I don't reckon they would, but I never did hear nothing about such as that, Did Mr. Poe give money to help build the church or to help pay the minister? That's right. He give money to help build the church. F. W. Poe was a nice fella because on Christmas Eve, he'd come around and give everybody in the house say there was five of us in one place he'd give us five bags of fruit, such as that. And when I went to school, I always had a Christmas tree up there, and he'd give us a ten-cent toy. Were there holidays? What holidays, you had Christmas holidays? Yeah, we had Christmas. Would you get off from work any days for Christmas? I don't know how long we did get for Christmas then. What about the Fourth of July? We got the Fourth of July. What would happen on the Fourth of July? all invited. First, they had a barbecue over on the old ballpark, and we's We'd come over and eat barbecue. Who would pay for the barbecue? Poe. And each different village would have a barbecue? I don't know where all of them did or not, but I know Poe did.

14 Enlow 13 Did F. W. Poe have sons who took over the mill after he died or what happened? No, Mr. H. T. Poe took it over after F. W. died. That was his brother.' I don't know whether it was his brother, but it was some kin to him. What happened after that? Ely Walker bought the Poe Mill after that, and then Burlington bought it after that. You started out marking rope? That's right. How long did you work at that? I didn't work at it but just two or three weeks. I went to doffing, then I went to fixing when I was twenty years old nineteen or twenty. I've been fixing or overhauling ever since. I did go on a second hand job for one year. This fella said he needed this second hand, and he said if I'd go on it, he'd go get somebody and let me go back on my job. I told him, "All right." It run into a year, and I got disgusted with it and went to the overseer I mean the superintendent me and him got into it. He put me back on my job because I didn't want no second hand, no siree. Why not? I just didn't like it. It was back^during the Depression, and it was hard to get people to do. BEGIN SIDE II TAPE I Let me ask you some more about why you didn't want to be a second hand and what you meant by it was hard to get people during the Depression or what do you mean?

15 Enlow 14 Well, during that time, I didn't like the job to start with and just like one time a fella says, "If you give ma a job, I'll run intermediates for you." them's the tall frames. I says, "All right." He go on to intermediates. He says, "I can't run intermediates, they too tall for me. I want a set of speeders." Well, just such as that. There's so many hands out of work, you could get a plenty of them anytime. How did you learn how to be a fixer? The first time, a fella come to me says, "I want you to go on that fixing job down there." I told him I couldn't do it. I says, "I don't know where the gears is on a frame." He says I can't never could do nothing. He says, "Get on down there." That started me to fixing, I learned from then. Who was he? Fisher. Was he a fixer? No, he's a second hand at that time at the far end. How did you learn? I just learned by doing it. If anything happened to it, I just go to it and I just finally get it. When do you think that was when you started fixing? That was back when I was nineteen or twenty years old. So that'd be about 1924 or 1925? That's right. Somewhere along there. Was it hard to get hands at that time? No, they come around there to ask you, "Do you want out today?" Hands were plentiful then, and they had four or five on the spare floor. What about when you first started to work, were there lots of were hands plentiful then too? That's right, hands were plentiful then.

16 Enlow 15 Did you ever hear your mother or father talk about a time when there wasn't enough hands? The mill owners couldn't get enough people to come to work? That's about right before I quit was like that. It was? Yes, it was because you couldn't hardly get hands then. They'd bring people in there and try to learn them. They'd learn and maybe one or two would stay out of a dozen the rest of them would take off. When did you quit? In I's sixty-three years old so, it's ten years ago. That's when it was. I wanted to go till I's seventy-five, but talking to my boss, all at once I just fell over. He carried me down there and they wouldn't even let me drive my automobile home, so I went back to work after that. I was fixing at that time; it wasn't long till I decided I'd give it up because it was too bad on me. But I got a hundred per cent better now. What was the matter when you fell out? My heart. Tell me how the work load changed from the time you started. Oh, it changed plenty. Where we's running, say four speeders, they'd run just about six hours to the doff, they cut all of them out and put on sluggers. They didn't run but say an hour and a half to the doff. They run six of them. How old were you when that happened? Can you remember? It was still that way when I quit. When do you reckon they started doing that? When they commenced changing the mill.... Was it before World War II? No, it was right after World War II. On up to World War II,

17 Enlow 16 we run our old frames. Did things change much before World War II in terms of.... No, it wasn't changed much. What about in any other departments of the mill? I don't know about that. Did you ever hear anybody say that World War I made any difference in things? You would have been about fifteen years old. I didn't work then, but I went to work just about that time somewhere right along there, but I noticed my mother and dad both, they worked even extra time in World War I. It meant a lot of work for the mills, the war did. Yeah, it must a did because I know they worked extra. Did you mother and father have a garden? Yes, my father was raised on a farm, he growed up partly on a farm, so he'd tend every patch he could get around Poe Mill. It wasn't growed up then, so he had a pretty good patch. He'd grow, corn, potatoes mostly. Did you all have a hog or a cow? Yes, we had a cow might nigh all the time till my mother got sick and she couldn't tend to it, then we sold it. We had hogs. My dad always kept an old Berkshire (hog), and that with the stripe around it. He kept two of them hogs. One for meat and one for lard. How often would you kill the hog? When the weather got good and right to kill them. Would you cure the meat yourself or would you have a smoke house? No, my father, he salted them down at a little out house out there, a little building. He'd put them down, salt them, put them down, salt them, put them down all of his meats. He watched after it.

18 Enlow 17 When did he have time to do all that? He done it at night, Saturday evening, such as that. He'd watch after his meat. About how late would people stay up? That was during the early part. I guess we'd go to bed about 9:00 somewhere around there. Do you remember, was there always electricity in the houses? No, we used lamps for a long time. I can remember I couldn't reach the drop when they put the lights in our house. I'd get me a chair, get up there, and I'd turn it on and off. So you could see the light come on. It wasn't much electricity, but it beats lamps. Did you have one cord coming into your house? That's right, they'd just run it from one house to the other, just right on down the line. Did you have plugs at all in the walls or just a drop? Just a drop. Could you plug other things into it or just the light bulb? Just the light. Would you buy wood and coal? We bought wood and coal. My dad said when it first come out, he didn't like that there electric range. we stayed with our stove up until the one Said it didn't cook as good, so I forget now when we shut up our stove. We used coal all the time. What about how people got along on the job? Was there ever any trouble between workers and overseers or second hands about the jobs? Do you remember any fights or arguments? No, they got along pretty good. I don't remember no fights or

19 Enlow 18 nothing while I was working. Did the second hand ever try to make you work faster, speed it up? No, never did. I know when I first went to work, I commenced right after while, I went to oiling frames. I told the second hand that I wanted to go up to the school house and play--they just had some goals on the outside up there play basketball. He said, "All right, come back and shut these windows up though at stopping time." So I get back and shut them up at stopping time, I'd have my oiling done. Who would you play with? Whoever*s up there, we just ganged up. Did other boys get off from work? No, they didn't many of them get off. They had to work. Some of the doffers down in the spinning room could come up there after they got around, but that's about all. So they could actually slip off from work a little while and play and then come back? That's right, we had a good job then. In the 20's, sometimes you hear what they called the "stretch out," stretching people out. They didn't stretch us out in the 20's. What about the 30's? I don't know just when that stretch out commenced. But just soon as they took them frames out, they really stretched them out. Because we had close to a hundred people working in the card room they's about eighty anyhow. Now, I don't guess there's over thirty or forty in all. You say you think that happened after World War II? Yeah, I believe it did, just about right after World War II. Do you remember any strikes, things like that?

20 Enlow 19 I remember when they come around. They camped in front of the mill, the Butler guards did, National Guard, whatever you want to call them. Them riding people come around, they never did bother us. The Flying Squadron? Yeah, they never did bother us because we never did pay them no attention. Course, they had the National Guard on a vacant lot right in front of the mill so they.... AT; Do you know anybody that ever joined the union? No, I don't. There wasn't no union at Poe Mill, and I didn't know nobody. What did you all think about the unions back at that time? I don't reckon we ever give it a thought because all they'd talk about is what they had to do. That's mostly what they talked about, their job. Anybody ever talk about how everybody was working and Mr. Poe was getting rich off everybody's work? Did you ever think about it that way? No, I know Poe may have went on a strike down there at one time, and H. T. come out there and climbed up on a truck and told him, "Now there's the mill. You can go to work, or we'll close it down." So he went back to work. That's the only thing. I thought it was unnecessary for him to walk out that time. M. I. Rogers, the second hand, I think took his girl friend off her job and put her on something else, and he decided we'd strike. Just foolishness. The people who were second hands, they could do things like that sometimes. They could give favors to people? Yeah, I guess they could. I know a second hand let me go to play up at the school house, basketball. I know everybody couldn't do that

21 Enlow 20 because they had to run their job, but I had my job caught up, and they let me go. That time that you remember Mr. Poe climbing up on the truck. When was that? Was that back before World War II? Yeah, it was before World War II. Was it after the time that the Flying Squadron people came along and the National Guard was out there? I can't say now where it was before or after. I don't know. The Poe Mill didn't strike one time, and we had a committee of some kind to go out and talk to Poe, but they went back to work. What it was about? That's right. That's the only time the Poe Mill's ever struck, I reckon, except that time when they walked out and old man H. T. told them to go back in or he'd close it down. Did they ever cut the wages back? Gosh, I reckon! I's making $12.20 fixing. Frame hands one time was making nine dollars a week. They commenced cutting them back a quarter at a time, quarter at a time, sure did. I remember that. Why did they say they were doing that? I reckon it's just because they couldn't sell their goods or something or other. I don't know what it was. I know they really cut it back during the Depression too, I believe it was. I know one time they didn't pay us off, they give us scrip* didn't have no money to pay us off. Did that cause any mill workers to get mad? No, they spent it just like money. We had a company store, and they took every bit of it. But that there was one thing I'm glad they done away with. Some people go out there and go out their way just to sell them for eighty-five cents on the dollar, draw out their checks.

22 Enlow 21 When you were living there with your family, did everybody in the family, their wages, were they paid to your father? Would you get a little pay envelope? No, I don't reckon we paid him nothing. I think we just took our wages and spent it. He let you keep.... That's right. That's the reason I's glad I could be of service to him whenever automobile hit him and he got run over down here at yard and he couldn't work no more. So, then I keep him up. See, I had a big family right about that time because I had my sister and her two kids which was small kids my mother and father and I was working. AT; You all were living in the same house? That's right. How was it that you got your sister and your sister's children? Why did that happen? She just up and left her old man and come over, that's all I know. They out living in a house. She just up and come over. I don't know what the reason or nothing, I never did ask her. So you were the only one working and you were keeping up.... That was during the war. During World War II? That's right. I know they called me to be examined in Columbia (SC) on the second of January. Some of them around there just raised caina because I was the only one working. They sent me a notice, said I was a little too old. I didn't go. That's what kept me out of World War II. You stayed on working in the mill? That's right. I went to work in the mill.

23 Enlow 22 What did your sister do? How long did she stay there with you? She didn't work during then. Did she keep living there with you? That's right. She's got two children, and the boy it growed up, and he went to work at Poe Mill Edward Pittman. The girl, she worked at some store in town, and when they done that, we was all right then. Did you ever hear any people tell their children that they didn't want them to go to work in the mill? My dad told me that. He said, "I don't wflsjt you to go to work now, I want you to go to school." Later on, he let me go to work after he found out I wasn't learning nothing in school. I told him I wasn't. Did you ever want to do any other kind of work? No, not till later on, then I commenced wiring houses electrician I guess that's all. Some people have told us that there was a difference between town people and mill people. Could you talk about that? I don't know but one instance that I could tell you about. We went down to the Grown, a bunch of us boys. We went in there and we got drink some beer. At that time, we drank beer. The fella said he would rather that the cotton mill people to stay out of his place. That's the only one that I know of. Did anybody say anything? No, it didn't nobody say nothing. The Crown, what was it? It was just a place. It was down underneath the corner of Main and Washington, I believe, down underneath there, that you could go in there. It was a beer joint. How was it that you didn't get married? Why'd you decide not to

24 Enlow 23 do that? I had a big enough family without trying to get married. You felt you were responsible for all the.... That's right. I owed it to them, I just thought that, I didn't think that I should marry. The one I went with, I guess I could have married her, but I didn't because she wanted to go into a house. Said when she got married, she going out to a. house to herself. I know'd that wasn't so because I had too many to look after. That was a kind of a custom when you got married, to go off and start your own house. That's right. A You take the one I live with, Lois Barton, her two children, they both got married and both of them bought a house before they got married. Who was Lois? Lois was my niece that I live with here. Lois Barton. In fact, Joe, when we moved from down on D Street, they left here and they said they's going build them a house. I said, "Well, you ain't going to leave me here, I'm going too." So I come with them. What about your politics? Did you vote every time that you could when they had an election? Now I can't. Last year I didn't vote, and if I miss two times, I got to go get another registration card and I ain't never done it. Who was the first person you voted for? I couldn't tell you. I sure couldn't. Did you vote for Hoover or Coolidge or Roosevelt? I know I voted for Roosevelt. The first time? Yes, but I can't remember who I did vote for. AT; Did you ever vote for Cole Blease?

25 Enlow 24 No, I didn't vote for Cole Blease. Why not? I don't know. I didn't have no registration card. I just didn't have it. I just wasn't old enough or what. But anyhow, my dad did. LwkowCJ Were there any politicians, people who worked in the mills particularly liked, voted for running for governor or senator. I couldn't say because that's one thing I don't think I ever hear'd them talk about who they was going to vote for. What about Roosevelt? What kind of effect did he have? What did you all think about Roosevelt? I thought he was okay. That's the reason I believe I voted for him. I don't know about the rest of them. Did you ever go to these textile expositions. Yes, and the first one I went to, I thought it was they had one loom it had a picture of the President, and he was weaving it. How old were you then? I was pretty young then. I don't know how old I was. Teenager? I was up in my twenties, but I thought that was one of the best things I ever seen in a textile exposition. When them harness come up, they just made that picture. /End of Interview/