1 SID: I m going to tell you something. I have been so looking forward to this show because my guest, many consider the foremost, best trumpet player in the world, Phil Driscoll. I mean, he has literally performed for five presidents. But something happened. Last thing he would have expected, after being a believer he ended up in prison. He is a broken vessel and I m telling you the Glory will not be able to be contained about what you re about ready to experience. Is there a supernatural dimension, a world beyond the one we know? Is there life after death? Do angels exist? Can our dreams contain messages from Heaven? Can we tap into ancient secrets of the supernatural? Are healing miracles real? Sid Roth has spent over 35 years researching the strange world of the supernatural. Join Sid for this edition of It s Supernatural. SID: Phil, I have to tell you. Obviously I ve been a believer in the Messiah almost as long as you, no, longer than you, I think. But, and I ve heard your music and I respect the gift that God has given you. But you re in another realm at this point. I want to find out a little bit about you. Your mom was a musician. What instrument did she play? PHIL: She played piano and organ, and accordion, because my dad was a minister. He built 15 churches, IME churches. They would do street meetings and that s how I started, plastic, a plastic trombone. SID: Did you really? How old were you? PHIL: Five. SID: I got a question from Facebook about you. PHIL: Oh boy. SID: And the question was, ask Phil about his mother s word before you were even born. PHIL: When she was carrying me she said that there was a time that she was on the platform and there was a stained glass window in their church in Rock Falls, Illinois, I believe it was, and there was light coming through. And she said all of a sudden light came through the music, came through and went into her womb. And so what that means, you know, we all have gifts, but you can practice and you can study, but the gift is paramount, you know. SID: That s in every field. PHIL: That s in every field. SID: Your first music contract, Word Records. PHIL: Yes, sir. SID: Problem. You are wild. You re too wild for Christianity at that point.
2 PHIL: You know what s really funny is in the 1800s, you could read where they said the violin was too wild for church. SID: So you got offended, I would have to think, when they thought of your music, they didn t appreciate your music, and you said, I m going into, you didn t mean it intentionally, but that s what you did, you went into the world. Who did you work with? PHIL: Well I used to play with Joe Cocker for quite a while. Joe Cocker, [singing] You are so beautiful to me. [talking] That one. Right. Then I wrote for Blood, Sweat and Tears. Then I, you know, I grew up in Tulsa, so Leon Russell was a friend of mine, you know, that whole genre. SID: So you re really in effect running from that wonderful call of God in your life. You have a $5000 a day cocaine addiction. PHIL: It wasn t really 5000. I mean, maybe, maybe there were weeks that it was. But it was, you know, probably in my life I spent well over a half a million dollars on drugs and only to discover that it was really a counterfeit. All drug addiction is a counterfeit for God s high. And you know, if you re religious you won t buy into that. But he is the most high and that s not a misnomer. He is the most high God and the high that we get as believers when we come into his presence is a high that no drug can ever attain for us. SID: I have to tell you, Phil, I have never, fortunately, I ve never done drugs. But when I came into an encounter with God I defy any drug in the world to compare to that. SID: There is nothing to compare to that. SID: Okay. So you re running from God. Christmas morning, 1977, what happened? PHIL: I was living with a young lady by the name of Lynn and I at that time owned a couple of night clubs, and I was rocking. I think the greatest thing about that time was my dad was a pioneer minister, but he was a plumber and a carpenter, and he did everything. Right. And so my dad would come into the night clubs that I owned and he would bring his hammer and whatever, and he would fix something. He never preached to me. He just loved me. And when he showed up on my front door with Dunkin Donuts and coffee I could not say no. It was Christmas Day. He said, Would you come to church with us. And so I really had the mindset, because I was still, I got so turned off to the things of God because I could not understand how God didn t like rhythm. I couldn t understand how God didn t like it funky. I couldn t understand how he didn t like it loud. Because thunder, my God, thunder is louder than any rock and roll show in the world. And so I went with that mindset. And I went into a place called Beaches Chapel in Jacksonville, Florida, and the people, it was in a gymnasium, and they were dancing. I mean, I looked at my wife and I go, They re having more fun than they have at midnight at the bar. And that day was an encounter for us. And all I can tell you, it wasn t like a great sermon. I couldn t tell you even what they talked about. But all of a sudden I
3 felt this presence and it was, the only way I can explain is, it was like somebody pouring warm oil over me from the top of my head. It was like all of the bitterness and the stuff you carry when you live in the world, in the real world, all of the stuff, it was just melted away. And I looked at my girlfriend, and she had her hands in the air, and she didn t know anything about that. And that day marked a change in my life. Three months later, my girlfriend and I were married. That s whatever it is, almost 40 years ago now. My dad performed, that was his last official act before he went on to be with Jesus. So that s where it all began with me. SID: Okay. There is a song about what happened to you. You call it Christ Remains. I call it Messiah Remains. What does that song mean to you? PHIL: The only way I can describe it is I began to sing in a studio, which is not a spiritual environment, and I began to sing, and all of a sudden it was like I went somewhere else and I was behind the camera. Right. And I saw my life, and I saw the places where it had been tough times. I saw the places where, I mean, except for God s grace I would have spent in those rock and roll days, I would have spent about 70 years behind bars. SID: [Would you play that for us now?] PHIL: Okay. SID: And I m going to tell you something else. You are going to have an encounter with God when you hear this music, because it s not just entertainment. He s in a different realm now. Here is Phil Driscoll, Messiah Remains. PHIL: [music, singing] When dreams are rudely shattered, and plans are torn apart and I'm left to try to gather up the fragments of my heart in the darkness hope is there, shining like a flame Messiah remains, Christ remains. He s my provider my protector, always watching over me. He s my comforter, my counselor, He is all I need, my constant in the chaos, my source of strength unchanged. Every day the same, Christ remains, Christ remains. When silence steals my prayers and I'm feeling' all alone, as the valley of the shadow claims the dearest ones I've known then I crawl toward my refuge, you re my shelter in each pain. Christ remains, Christ remains. He s my provider my protector, always watching over me. He is my comforter, my counselor, he is all I need. My constant in the chaos, my source of strength unchanged. Every day the same, Christ remains, Christ remains. [trumpet instrumental] We'll be right back to It's Supernatural. [commercial] We now return to It's Supernatural
4 SID: You know, what I love about Phil s music is it s impregnated with the presence of God. It literally is an atmosphere in which all things are possible. Miracles take place. Tell me, I was reading about a few that took place, tell me about the blind person that got healed. PHIL: There was a friend of mine in Detroit had a church and said, Why don t you just come and see what God does if you stay five or six days. And I said, I don t know what I would do. He said, You do what you do. I said okay because I believe there s a frequency that you can plug into in Heaven where the songs come down to Earth just like that. And it was in one of those songs, and a lady began to scream in the back, and I thought there was something wrong with her. And they went back there, the elders and the bouncers, whatever, and then she was screaming. She had been blind for many, many years and she was healed. Woman: I can see! I can see! I ve been healed! I ve been healed! [applause, cheers] PHIL: When that happened to me, it really, in terms of being conformed to that genre, I changed. SID: Speaking of change, I heard a story about you that was music to my ears. Phil had a nice famous Jewish attorney. Tell me about him. PHIL: I did. He was a former chief counsel of Capital Records. He made the deal with Brian Epstein and the Beatles. He was a heavyweight guy. And he had represented me in several things with CBS, etc. And then comes the day that we accept Jesus. And I called him, and I said, Skip, I ve become a Christian. He said, Oh no. He said, Well, you know, he said, I ve seen a lot of guys go through this, Phil. He said, It s just something sometimes you go through. He said, But you ll get better soon. And so, and the funny thing was, he came to our, when we got married, he came to Jacksonville when Lynn and I, sat in the back. Don t worry, you ll be okay soon. Right. Well the years passed and he comes, when I was in Tennessee, he came to visit, you know, just, and he sat, and there was a man that had been healed of prostate cancer in a service. And then he called me and he said, I got the proof. I am healed. I have no prostate cancer. I am healed. God healed me. And he was gone. It s a true story. And he was sitting there and I didn t know what was going on, but I knew that God was moving in his life. Praise God. So I hung up with the guy and he said, May I borrow your phone? And I said, Sure. He dialed a number and he said, I can t remember his wife s name, and he said, Honey, I believe that I have found the Messiah. And the wild thing about it was he died several months later in a routine root canal dental deal. But he had the encounter. You know, I just think it s, that s the way it is. SID: You know, in Scripture it says, The Jew requires a sign. So he was just having his Jewish blood rear up. SID: When he saw the sign he received Messiah Yeshua, Messiah Jesus. Phil, I m going to release you to the music set right now. Okay. The biblical way is for the worshipers to go first and break open the heavens.
5 SID: I commission you, I charge you, Phil Driscoll, break open the heavens now. PHIL: In Jesus name. Praise God. Praise God. Praise God. Lord, we just magnify your name. We lift our voices to you. [background music] PHIL: Let the music be filled with your presence. Let the music be filled with your Glory. We give you the praise in the mighty name of Jesus. [trumpet music] We'll be right back to It's Supernatural. [commercial] We now return to It's Supernatural SID: You know, Phil Driscoll, it can t get much higher than he got. The gifting that God gave him and then out of nowhere, 2006, he was advised to do something on his income tax and the federal government said you shouldn t have done that. And what I did, I knew about this, because it made news and I had our attorney read everything that occurred to you. I felt like PHIL: It took him a while, didn t it? SID: I had, I felt it had to be vetted. And this is what he told me. He told me that your attorney had an outstanding argument as to why you were correct. But the way it turned out is the judge ruled he wasn t and he went to prison for a year. I have to believe that you, your faith was saying, I am not going to go prison. I m God s kid. This is not going to happen to me. Am I right? PHIL: You re right. SID: So what did it feel like when you walked into the prison and the gates slammed shut? PHIL: Like Hell. That s what it was. All of us at one point or the other will have what we would term a faith failure. Because, Sid, I was believing God to be acquitted. And I felt sorry for myself for quite a while, to be honest. And when I was in God gave me so much favor. I mean, I have to laugh now. There were a bunch of bad guys where I was. I m in there and they go, so we hear you can sing. I said, maybe. So they had a little cash, and I go, [singing] Just an old sweet song that made... [talking] And they go, do that again. [singing] Georgia, Georgia. [talking] And from that day forward, the baddest guys, I could go anywhere, but I never will forget. God began to deal with me.
6 He said, You know, if you base your relationship with me on faith you will probably fail. But if you base it on trust, you will never fail. You slay me yet while I trust you. If you realize that it doesn t really matter whether I went or whether I didn t go, that it s not about me. When you realize that it s really God s Divine plan, no matter what the devil does to set you up for your defeat, if you will not allow yourself to stop, to quit, to get mad at God, to say, well why did this happen to me, because I went through all of that. God, I don t care, even if you kill me, I m going to stand exactly the way I am and I m going to believe you to do exactly what your Word says, that s when I became dangerous to darkness. SID: I want you to be dangerous to darkness right now. Get to that music set. I can t wait to hear Phil Driscoll again. PHIL: Put on the whole armor of God so that you may be able to stand against the very forces of darkness. And be bold, and be strong, and be courageous, and have no fear. For the weapons of your warfare are not carnal. They are mighty unto God. Be strong and say I am a warrior in the greatest army of the universe, the Army of God. You are born to win. [singing] I am, I am. We stand against flesh, oh yeah. We stand against the darkness. Oh yeah. We stand against the darkness. We are the warriors of God, soldiers of the cross. We are warriors. We are mighty warriors, we re strong against the darkness, we re strong in the gates of hell. We'll be right back to It's Supernatural. [commercial] SID: Next week on It s Supernatural. My guest has laser accuracy in her prophetic word. She got a prophecy about a man who later became the Prime Minister of Israel, Netanyahu. This woman has the most outrageous miracles that you have ever, ever heard of. Are you ready to hear from her?