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A DISCUSSION OF STEVEN PINKER S ENLIGHTENMENT NOW: THE CASE FOR REASON, SCIENCE, HUMANISM, AND PROGRESS Participants: Elliot Temple Justin Mallone Max Kaye FEBRUARY 14, 2018

Max Kaye: DD apparently reviewed the entirety of Pinkers new book. 6 references to him by name in the main body of the text and 8 citations. Mentioning for curiosity's sake. DD is trying to suck up more to famous ppl i think there s a major cost involved in his method, involving being less critical and lowering standards Max Kaye: Yeah, have only read the first few pages and is already not close to the quality of BoI (unsurprisingly). That said, I am glad BoI is getting more reach. what do u mean BoI getting more reach? u think ppl will read it b/c of the cites? how many? this doesn t sound that big to me. amazon review > to be authoritarianism, or, as Pinker puts it, a strong leader who wrenches the country backward to make it great again. he s taking shots at trump? jfc > Seeing how journalistic habits and cognitive biases bring out the worst in each other, how can we soundly appraise the state of the world? The answer is to count. review quotes this. ANTI EXPLANATION. ANTI BOI!!!

nasty opener Max Kaye: Yeah, takes a shot at trump in the preface or first few pages. oh the next para names trump so what we see here is DD swinging left, not DD bringing Pinker to the right that or not much engagement but DD s views have been deteriorating like this for years, with a noticeable agenda/bias (of becoming more similar to prestigious intellectuals) influencing the direction Max Kaye: Reach as in: there are Ppl searching for an island of rationality in the sea of irrationally and, even though the book isn't shaping up well, without it being at least _talked_ about its only going to stay hard to find. At the very least more Ppl will be aware of it, and hopefully a few will see there's something more substantial behind things like the principal of optimism and look into it. Granted not many, but still >0 I imagine. there are more effective means of outreach. e.g. DD could *create more good work* and *stand up to people more controversially* i got more attention from Aubrey de Grey than DD did. why? b/c i was more willing to challenge him. i think DD s blog had decent traffic b4 he abandoned it. and that was when he was correct about politics! Max Kaye: DDs blog: setting the world to rights? I agree that there are more effective ways. yes Pinker is very dishonest

Trump did not get elected by appealing to religion he s not very religious, and he beat more religious candidates this is both fact and voter perception Trump Trump s biggest issue was immigration, which Pinker apparently doesn t want to talk about. avoid discussing the actual disagreement, and call trump nasty names (pessimist, anti-modern cynic, religious) >TRUMP: We are the nation that dug out the Panama Canal, won two world wars, put a man on the moon, and brought communism to its knees. (APPLAUSE) TRUMP: As long as we have the courage of our convictions, and the strength to see them through, then there is no goal beyond our reach. ignoring his optimistic message that he could improve America, and his promodern attitudes towards e.g. industry backed up by tons and tons of energy. Pinker is just straight up a lying scumbag. and that s what he choose to open the book with virtue signalling to bad ppl, and alienating everyone good DD should not have allowed his name to be in the acknowledgements >Americans fill the world with art and music. They push the bounds of science and discovery. And they forever remind us of what we should never forget: The people dreamed this country. The people built this country. And it is the people who are making America great again. As long as we are proud of who we are, and what we are fighting for, there is nothing we cannot achieve. Trump isn t a luddite but his opponents have elements of that! optimistic Trump quotes is an easy genre Pinker immediately proceeds to glorify COLLECTIVISM under a slightly modified name

disgusting no wonder he hates Trump! this quote will be read as anti-capitalist by many, whether it is or not it s quite ambiguous out of context i also don t think it s very good why on earth would you purposely put that confusion about violence in your opening paragraph about the enlightenment? the other questions, on the other hand, aren t strange. they are perfectly reasonable things for someone to ask

Pinker gives AD HOC answers to the most basic moral philosophy questions, b/c he is no expert on the matter, but a public faker. he admits this to open his book. his answer is: 1) you can do stuff 2) you are responsible to others jfc but a creditable answer he means he dressed it up in language that sounded appropriately clever compare

1) you can do stuff 2) you are responsible to others his is much more fancy sounding :( which hides how bad it is hides it from most ppl, not from me :) ch1 opens with KANT as a representative of the enlightenment! jfc one of Kant s big things was to defend religious authority Pinker says DD s book offers the same idea as Kant. Kant is part of DD s intellectual lineage?

DD is letting his name be put on this big if true! what a fool he also has the wrong job description in front of his name physicist it s a philosophy book whoa bro what s DD s degree in tho sucking up to ppl like Pinker? :( @max Pinker is mad ppl are distrusting experts WHICH WAS IN FACT A THEME OF THE ENLIGHTENMENT experts like Pinker.

look who Pinker sucks up to. is this something Trump doesn t believe? maybe pre-election Trump would have said 2007 or something. not much earlier. Pinker: why are these ppl so authoritarian that they disrespect expert authoritah? Pinker quotes DD on optimism, then proceeds to use standard non-dd version after wtf i don t think DD was involved much. DD was just expressing same ideas as Kant and Barack Obama bro np

can t expect BoI to stand out much philosophically since its a physics book after all i may seem like a pessimist, but i make up for it with my belief ppl can be altruistic! a pessimist who is contradicting BoI on all those points. is that a all problems are soluble with knowledge gap? no by optimism it just means how positive ur opinion is ppl like this ARE WAHT S WRONG WITH THE WORLD to the extent Pinker may actually be smart, that d only make him more guilty, like Dr. Stadler bro he just wants people to like reason and obey experts what s the issue books like this are full of subtle and not so subtle biases and propaganda, using very effective appeals to reason/enlightenment/etc, to be very very pressuring to ppl who haven t given up on the mind. this is the sort of indoctrination which destroys our best men. would advise NOT reading it. it is DANGEROUS.