Renny: Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

1 Sid: My guest has learned how to worship God from Heaven. And when he worships God, Heaven invades Earth. And he's going to teach you step by step how can you supernaturally worship God. Is there a supernatural dimension, a world beyond the one we know? Is there life after death? Do angels exist? Can our dreams contain messages from Heaven? Can we tap into ancient secrets of the supernatural? Are healing miracles real? Sid Roth has spent over 35 years researching the strange world of the supernatural. Join Sid for this edition of It s Supernatural. Sid: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it s naturally supernatural. My guest, Renny McLean, is another man that provokes me to jealousy. But you see, the gentile believer in Jesus is supposed to provoke the Jew to jealousy. But Renny is both. Renny, you have a Jamaican father and a Jewish mother. Renny: Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Sid: And Renny, you have learned about a dimension I never hear spoken about, the rarified air of Heaven bringing it onto Earth. In fact, you teach a lot on a subject called "Matter Doesn't Matter". You teach about eternity, evading time. How did you learn about eternity, which is the rarified air of Heaven invading time? Because when that happens, we have access to everything in Heaven. How did you learn that? Renny: Well for me, I learned that from an experience years ago. And it's very interesting. We start with this question. I remember years ago we were seeing signs, wonders and miracles when we were laying hands on people. And so, you know, I knew how to release my faith through my hands. And then one day I was really getting bored of ministry. I know this is bad to say for someone who has seen all kinds of signs and wonders. But I was getting bored of what I was seeing and I was looking for another dimension. And so I was seeking the Lord. And it was a long visitation. At the end of it, the Lord said to me, "From this point onwards, you will not need to lay hands on the sick." He said, "You will begin to see what we would call today the mass miracles." Sid: I have another word for it: atmospheric miracles. Renny: Oh that will preach right there. And so I was one-dimensional in that I understood how to release my faith by way of my hands. I didn't understand how to use that same faith to bring people into that place. And so for me, the switch was using my faith to bring people into the realm and then teaching them how to participate in it. See, in the Glory of God I teach this principle. There's the law of response. If you don't respond, you don't receive. Sid: You know, I have noticed so many times, I'll even have a word from God and I will speak it, and some people will be healed. But I know if anyone does what you just said, responds, they can walk. What is it? They walk into it? What is going on? Renny: Well for one, a lot of people have different agendas. They have different mindset. They still are in the mindset or they're still in the mode that it has to come from the matter of God's

2 hands. They have no idea that when they sit there and they participate they can receive the miracles of God. We've seen thousands of miracles, and I'm not exaggerating. We've seen thousands of miracles: deaf, blind, crippled, dead, all kinds of signs, wonders and miracles. And I can tell you most of the miracles we've seen, I've never laid a hand on people. Never. Sid: It actually makes it easier. Renny: Well you see, I teach this. Sid: And they're not looking at you. Renny: There you go. Sid: They're looking at Him. Renny: There you go because I teach this. See, you work your faith. See, you work your faith, but you don't work the Glory because the Glory is the realm of rest. And so, you know, it's work to get to the Glory. But when you're there, you step into the Glory and the presence of God. And we teach people how to receive from that. You remember in Luke 5, where the Bible says, "And as he was teaching the power of the Lord was present to heal." Now this is scary because here now we have Jesus and the Bible says John's testimony of him was, "He had the spirit without measure." Imagine, he had the spirit without measure and yet as he's teaching, the Bible says, "The power was present to heal." But not one person got healed because they sat there. They sat there. Sid: What should they have done? Renny: Well put it this way. They sat there in their religious mode. They didn't know how to respond. Sid: He's saying he's talking about me. [laugh] Go ahead. Renny: They would not respond. Their religious minds would not let them respond. And it took somebody who was not part of that environment, that mindset to come in and to respond. It's like if we say to people right now, let s lift up our hands and worship, isn't it funny, today we have to tell people to do it. We don't naturally respond. And so there were times when God will, you know, because we don't know better, God will be kind enough and will just do it. And then there are times, and this is what we're seeing in the Body of Christ right now, is that the people of God still want to be entertained. They don't step into worship. I teach this law of response. God inhales our worship, but He exhales the Glory. I teach this principle, too. Number two, if you are worshiping, no, if you are in church and you are looking around and you're not really worshiping, now remember in Hebrew, the Hebraic concept of worship is that it's intimacy. Well if it's intimacy... Sid: It's also, have you ever seen an orthodox Jewish person rock like this? It's getting every fiber of their being. And how many of us, I talk about me, I'm going to talk about me, go on a

3 mind trip during worship. And I might look like I'm worshiping, but I'm thinking about what I'm going to be doing tomorrow or what the next TV show is going to be. Renny, how can we worship with our whole heart? That's what God wants. Renny: That's a loaded question. Let me answer it. Let me break it down and answer it. It's a loaded question. Number one, you can't worship with you on your mind. A lot of the songs today in our prayers of worship is self-oriented. It points back to flesh. So in other words, it points back to the old man. Sid: American Christianity points back to the old man. Renny: One hundred percent. And so without realizing it, if it doesn't involve us we don't know how to receive. And so what's happening today is this, is there's an in and out of the presence of God. There's the presence of God and then it turns to you. It never stays on Him. And so I was teaching this principle that your worship goes to the degree of your revelation. When your revelation stops, that's where your worship ends. And so there's a continual revelation of who He is. Sid: Listen Renny, you have the most wonderful teaching on worship. Everyone needs to understand worship because, you know, I've been studying healing for a long time. And if someone says, what is the one thing, the one thing to get your healing, and I was forced to do, say one thing, I would say learn how to worship God to bring the Glory of God right upon you and then access everything you need in Heaven. When we come back I'm going to ask Renny some time in this show to worship the way he does at home, and I want you to come in on this and I want Heaven to invade Earth. I want eternity to invade where you are right now. Be right back. We ll be right back to It s Supernatural. ********************************* We now return to It s Supernatural. Sid: Hello. Sid Roth here with Renny McLean. Renny, I am so intrigued with the Glory. That's the manifest presence of God that literally follows you when you speak, when you're at home. And you have a handle on worship, like few people, and that God wants everyone. He doesn't want you to have a corner in the market. He wants everyone to worship Him. In Heaven, that's what we'll be doing, so why not on Earth? Sid: What is actually going on when we worship in Heaven and in Earth, and in us? Renny: Heaven wants to synchronize with Earth. There's always an alignment between what's happening in Heaven and what God is saying on the Earth through our worship. Now when we begin to worship atmospheres begin to change. We go through realms. We go through time. Now this is so interesting. Now some people, now I hope this is not misunderstood, some people have what I would define as a second-day concept of worship.

4 Sid: What does that mean? Renny: In other words, elementary, you know. Sid: Kindergarten? Renny: Kindergarten. In that we worship to get there, not realizing our worship begins from there. Sid: In other words, they're after the carrot, but the carrot is the worship. Renny: The carrot is the worship, for sure. And so I'll give you a testimony. I was in Billy and Cynthia Thompson's church last year and we were doing a revival, and it was very interesting, Sid. This is so interesting. I can feel the Spirit as we're talking. And I was supposed to be there just for three days. Three days turned to seven weeks. Let me tell you how it happened. The first night we were worshiping and it was a wonderful atmosphere. It was very good. They're a praise and worship church in Boca Raton, Florida. The second night it went on and on, and on. But the first night, I had an open vision given to where I could see it. And in the worship, I saw Jacob's ladder. Now you know as well as I do that Jacob's ladder represents our worship. But I saw the ladder. It was bright and it was glistening. It just radiated the Light of God. And it came at a certain point in the service. And I saw the people of God begin to go up it, go up it, go up it. And I said, well praise the Lord. And the second night again, in the middle of the praise of worship, just as it was about to go into worship, I noticed the ladder would appear again, and it went up. And by the third night, let me tell you what God did. The third night the ladder appeared again. But this time the ladder was empty. Sid: What does that mean? Renny: I'm going to tell you. [laugh] I said, "Lord, why is it empty?" And He said, "Because from this point on the service doesn't begin in the Earth. Your service, your worship begins in Heaven." And I knew that there was longevity to that meeting because we had broken the flesh barrier. Sid: And when you break the flesh barrier what happened in that meeting? Renny: Time doesn't matter. Matter doesn't matter. Time doesn't matter. That's why I say when the Glory of God falls the laws of physics don't work. They're temporarily suspended because you're not conscious of time. You're conscious of eternity. You're aware of His presence. You're aware of His Glory. He becomes more real to you than your situation, and when you really see Him and you have a revelation of Him in your worship you don't look at things the way you see them. You see them from Heaven's perspective and you're so caught up on Him. You don't have time to think of your problem. When we come to that point, that's when miracles happen. That's when eyeballs open. That's when cripples walk. That's when the blind see. The problem is today in church is that we cut off the worship before we get to that point. And so what happens when that happens is this, is that because the people didn't fully get that...

5 Sid: Wait a second now. Most people complain if the worship is too long. Renny: Because they don't understand what the worship is for. See for example, I believe... Sid: Finish my sentence. Renny: Sure. Sid: The worship is for... The worship is for, finish the sentence. Renny: The worship is for Him, not us. The worship is, there's two things what just came to my spirit as you were saying. One, the worship is for Him. You know what I mean? Really and truly. But if the worship hasn't reached that point yet, nothing will happen. And so what's happening today is this, is that God's people have come in, but we've cut it off. And so we don't let it flow. And so we miss the power or God. I know that when that happens in the church, nine times out of ten if they're looking for miracles it's not going to come that way. So what will happen is a person who's really experienced will take the mike and will begin to worship to bring that atmosphere back because the secret of it is, is that the revelation comes out of the atmosphere. It comes out of the realm of worship. Any preacher would know this who's listening right now would relate to this. When the service is really high and the Glory of God is present, you can go up there with your notes and there's nothing wrong with notes, you know. Fine. Okay. Well you know what happens? When the Glory of God comes, it's a different story because you're not preaching out of the atmosphere. You're not preaching out of movement. Now the problem is that we're trying to speak on something that's already expired because the revelation is what God is giving you, is the revelation of that moment. And so what the Lord gives you in that moment, that's what you being to say and that's what God begins to do. Sid: Let me take you back to that meeting in Boca Raton where the Jacob's ladder was and you broke through. Renny: We broke through. Sid: What type of miracles occurred? Renny: All kinds of miracles. I mean, we can take it to half a second, But I tell you, the one that stands out in my mind. We were worshiping for hours. I mean, it was normal. I must say this, and I feel I need to say this for a lot of people who are watching, particularly a lot of pastors who are uncomfortable with this, because some of us are uncomfortable with long worship, and I feel I need to say this here. Ministers, hear me very clearly, there are some times, because of the atmosphere of the church, it takes that level of praise and worship to break down the ground, you know, to break up the atmosphere. So sometimes, that's why when they're preaching, the atmosphere is still harmed because you're looking for your work to do what the people's praise and worship should have done. So when the people are really praising and worshiping it makes it easier to preach because the atmosphere is there for it. And so now, in Boca Raton what was so interesting about it was, was that the worship just flowed and miracles began to happen.

6 Sid: What was that one miracle? Renny: The one miracle? A woman was just worshiping and she had cancer. She had cancer. She had cancer. She had some spots on her lungs. She was worshiping. Just worshiping the Lord. She forgot she had it. That's what I teach. You lose sight of yourself. You know what happened? She went back to the doctor two days later. This is documented. She went back two days later. They couldn't find it. It had vanished. Cancer vanished. Sid: What would happen? Cancer vanished. Let me tell you something. When you're going after God with all of your heart, there is nothing impossible. Renny, I want you to lead us in worship, just as you do in a congregation, and let's see what God's going to do when we come back. Renny: Sure. Sure. Sid: Don't go away. We ll be right back to It s Supernatural. *********************************** We now return to It s Supernatural. Sid: Hello. Sid Roth here with Renny McLean. Renny, I would be interested. When you're at your home, no one is there. Do you worship God or is it just when you're out in public? Tell me the truth. Renny: No. I worship. My spirit just becomes still before Him. I enter into that place of ease. Sid: Can you do that right now as if you're in home without anyone here? And I'm going to watch you, and I'm going to do the same. And I want you to watch Renny and I want you to join in. But then, I want you to transition of watching him. And now I'm just releasing myself totally without any reservations to the most high God who is worthy. Renny: Hallelujah. Hallelujah. [chanting in tongues]. [chanting] We worship you. We honor you. We magnify your name, oh Lord. You're worthy. You're worthy. And you're holy and you're worthy, Lord. Who is like unto thee in Heaven and in Earth. There is none, there is none, there is none. So I offer you my worship and I give you the Glory. [speaking] Just lift your hands where you are right now and just begin to worship Him. You reach a point in English where there is no word to really define God by. And He gives you a melody and He gives a tune, and you just begin to sing that tune. Do you know that when Satan got fired you were his replacement. Sid: [chanting] I love you, Lord. Renny: Because you are now designed to worship. Worship is in your DNA.

7 Sid: [chanting] I worship you, Lord. Renny: Just lift your hands and worship.hallelujah. Hallelujah. Sid: [chanting] I praise your holy name. Renny: Hallelujah. Hallelujah. I see a kidney condition being healed. I see a kidney condition being healed right now. You've had a lot of trouble in your kidney area. You're on a dialysis machine. I see a creative miracle taking place right now in someone's kidney right now. I see it very clearly. Very, very clearly, very clearly, very clearly. I see it very clearly. Amen. Sid: I'm seeing an ear. And so that means whatever you need in the ear, if you need your hearing, deaf spirit leave in Yeshua's name. Sid: Open in Yeshua's name. Sid: And more important than even that, I pray that you hear in the Spirit as you've never heard before, ringing. I command you to leave the ears in Yeshua's name. Eardrums, I command you to be recreated in Yeshua's name. Renny: Hallelujah. Amen. Amen. Perfect. Amen. Amen, amen, amen. I see arthritic conditions. Somebody is watching us right now. You feel like electricity going down your spine. The Lord is healing it. The Lord is also recreating spines right now. Amen. Amen, amen, amen. I see, oh Lord, thank you. I see somebody who had a hip replacement some time ago and the hip replacement, it's not worked out good for you. I'm seeing God do a creative miracle in the hip area. I'm seeing it. I'm seeing it right now. Right now. Right now. Right now. Right now. There's somebody watching me right now, as you've been lifting your hands worshiping the Lord you're actually experiencing weight loss. You're experiencing weight loss. You say, is that possible? Oh yes because in the Glory of God matter doesn't matter. When you worship you defy the laws of gravity and what s of Earth falls to the Earth and that which is of God ascends. There's weight loss taking place now in, oh thank you, Father. Thank you, Father, thank you. I see leukemia right now also being healed. I see leukemia. I see lupus right now being healed. It's as if God right now has just given a jolt to your immune system. You're being healed now in Jesus' name. Thank you, Father. Sid: Renny, what would happen if everyone that's watching us now in their home became a worshiper of God? There would be hope for our country. What would happen if everyone watching us right now said, I'm going to take one hour a day. I'm not worried about an audience. I don't want anyone to see me but God. What would happen to that person?

8 Renny: Cities would change. Atmospheres would change. Environments would change. Wherever there is worship, God will come forth. Worship always brings the power of God forth into a city, into a neighborhood. Sid: What would happen their health? Renny: Oh my goodness gracious me. Oh sickness and disease, it would begin to die. Sid: What would happen to their families? Renny: Oh, their families would come back together. Sid: What would happen to their finances? Renny: Oh that's all you need, the Glory of God. Sid: What would happen to being able to walk 24/7 in that Glory? Renny: Can I say this to you, Sid? This is what I just heard in the Spirit. Worship is verbal. But there's also worship that's nonverbal. It's also a mindset. You walk in the consciousness that He's your Lord and practice the presence of Jesus. And right where you are you can just lift your hands and know you're there. Sid: And not even say anything. Renny: And not say it. It's your body language. You just surrender. At that one moment in time, you just yield. Sid: Let me make a suggestion. You're not supposed to make vows. But I urge you to say to yourself, I am going to worship everyday no matter what. And someone's back was just healed in Jesus' name. Sid: Someone's neck was just healed in Jesus' name. Sid: Taste, breathe in that atmosphere of Heaven right now. Do you know, there's a fog.