1 SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it's naturally supernatural. How would you like every supernatural gift that you have to increase? My guest says that when you have this one specific gift it will trigger increase in all of your supernatural gifts and he says you've already got it, it just has to be developed. I want it, how about you? Is there a supernatural dimension, a world beyond the one we know? Can we tap into ancient secrets of the supernatural? Can our dreams contain messages from heaven? Is God ready to bring a tsunami wave of healing onto Planet Earth today? Sid Roth has spent over 40 years researching the strange world of the supernatural. Join Sid for this edition of It s Supernatural. SID: James Goll, over the years obviously we know each other, but I've followed what's been going on, and you've going through more testing than most people I know. You almost died a few times. SID: You get cancers multiple times. But you recently had a heavenly visitation. SID: What happened? JAMES: I got caught up into a heavenly experience and in this I was invited to a hill. And I went in this visitation, and I was invited to sit down at a table, and across from me is sitting an important person from Heaven, and they're looking right at me. Again, I went through cancer three times over nine years. I've had my kidneys virtually almost shut down and I've had four near-death encounters. I sit down in this heavenly encounter at the table of the Lord, and across from me is a messenger from Heaven. And this messenger from Heaven, very important person, looks right at me and with fierceness and philosophy, it's like called Faith that Fights, looks right into my soul, and says to me, "For the next 20 years of your life, I want you to terrorize the devil, terrorize the devil." SID: Now, I don't know if you caught this, he now no longer is living day to day, each week, month to month, he's got a minimum, minimum of 20 years, from Heaven. Okay, you say every believer needs discernment. So for starters, I know what the word "discernment" means, most people do, but what does discernment mean biblically, spiritually. JAMES: One of the devil's greatest tricks is deception and one of the church's greatest needs is discernment. Now in the different gifts of the Holy Spirit, there is the gift of discernings of spirits. They're both in the plural. And there are five different classifications of spirits. So the person who moves in, and it can move in many different levels, in many different ways, but that will perceive, distinguish, differentiate the different motivating spirits behind an activity, they then can see the angelic. They can know the Holy Spirit. They can discern the demonic. And when you are moving in this realm it will sharpen and clarify, and help enhance and bring all the other gifts that are in operation in your life to another level.
2 SID: When this gift really increases will a believer know the difference between their thoughts, demonic thoughts and God's thoughts? That's really critical these days. JAMES: It's really critical because Jesus said, "My sheep will hear my voice. I know them and they will follow me." SID: All right JAMES: So we, as a believer, we know them by faith, we hear God's voice. Right, Sid? SID: Absolutely. JAMES: But we hear more than one voice. I hear my voice, I hear the voice of the world. At times, I get bombarded and I hear the voice of the enemy, but we also hear the Holy Spirit. So we don't only need to hear, we need to learn to discern the voice of the Holy Spirit from the voice of the stranger. SID: That is so critical. Can you imagine all the mistakes you've made that you don't have to make because this gift of discernment, which you're entitled to if you're a believer in the Messiah, will sharpen all the other gifts. JAMES: I remember one of the times, I was ministering in Anaheim, California at a vineyard conference. I'm standing on the platform with the seer prophet John Paul Jackson, and if you bring somebody prophetically to me and I can lay hands upon them, I can prophesy. And that night, the Holy Spirit gave me a dream, and in this dream I saw tongues of fire that would sit on people. And I'm like, are you kidding me? Is that the way these guys do that? So the next day, I'm ministering there with John Wimber and all these people, and I had to touch people. And John Paul turns to me in front of thousands of people, and says, "It's your turn to go first." And I go, ahhh! And I'm praying my word of faith, "Help, help, help!" And so then all of a sudden, my spiritual eyes were open and I saw tongues of fire sitting on different people's heads, like in Acts, Chapter 2. And so all I had to do was, "You, right there." And the Holy Spirit fell on that person. They actually fell out in the Spirit. They got sovereignly delivered. They got miraculously healed of scoliosis just by identifying the Holy Spirit through discernment that was resting upon their life. SID: I believe what James just described is going to be normal for him and normal for others. SID: Because this discernment will grow and grow like loaves and fishes. JAMES: Yes, multiply. SID: Just keep growing, multiply. Now, we have natural senses, everyone knows, see, hear, taste, smell, etc. But we also have supernatural senses and most people don't know about this common fact.
3 JAMES: That's right. Hebrews, Chapter 5, Verse 14 talks about solid food. So how many of you want to actually have a solid food, not just a baby diet? Okay. Solid food is for the mature who practice their senses to discern good and evil. So as you said, five senses: sight, hear, smell, taste, touch. As we surrender our five natural senses unto the Holy Spirit and as we declare freedom and it's a speech-activated kingdom, we surrender our members, our eyes, our ears, our heart, unto the Lord. We declare freedom over them, and then we pray and we receive the anointing of the Holy Spirit upon our natural senses. Then we become naturally supernatural. SID: Okay. I need a little bit more. I want to have all of my spiritual senses activated and come alive. SID: And I want to ask him how I can do it. But guess what, you come along. We'll find out how you can, too. We'll be right back. We'll be right back to It's Supernatural. [commercial] We now return to It's Supernatural. SID: Last time we talked about unlocking your spiritual senses and you talked about surrender. SID: Explain a little more how we can unlock these spiritual senses. JAMES: Surrender could also be stated presentation. And so we present. In Romans, we present our members under God. Romans, Chapter 12 says that, "Our spiritual service of worship is when we surrender our entire whole body in worship unto God." So presentation, surrender, so I surrender my eyes. Do you know what that means? SID: So this is used as a prayer of surrender. So I'm going to surrender or present. Let's just go with the eyes. And so I just present my members. I present my eyes right now to the Lord. Now listen to this. You, every believer has two sets of eyes. You have your natural eyes, but according to Ephesians, Chapter 1, you have another set of eyes, they're called "the eyes of the heart". Paul the Apostle, praying for the Church of Ephesus, prayed this: "I pray that you be filled with the spirit of wisdom and revelation, and the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ," now I'm going to get to it, "and I pray that the eyes of your heart will be enlightened so that you might know three great things." How many of you want to know the hope of God's call on your own life? Well this is going to be one of the results of having your eyes, spiritual eyes enhanced or open. And so we just pray the Bible. And so I pray. So you might just put your hands over your heart right now because here's where your second set of eyes are. And I pray right now that the Holy Spirit will open the eyes of
4 your heart and will release shafts of revelatory light and revelation into your heart so that you might know that you know, that you know, that greater is he who is in you than he who was in the world. You're going to be flooded with revelation on the hope of his calling, the glories, inheritance of the saints and the surpassing greatness of his power towards us who believes. That's point one. Then you're going to also declare and I'm going to declare because it's a speechactivated thinking. SID: I'm going to repeat after you. JAMES: You're going to repeat, good, great. And so do this after me. I declare SID: I declare. JAMES: That the eyes of my heart. SID: That the eyes of my heart. JAMES: Are open. SID: Are open. JAMES: I am receiving. SID: I am receiving. JAMES: Greater revelation. SID: Greater revelation. JAMES: Than ever before. SID: Than ever before. JAMES: I will see angels. SID: I will see angels. JAMES: I will perceive in the Holy Spirit. SID: I will perceive in the Holy Spirit. JAMES: I will have knowings. SID: I will have knowings. JAMES: And I will move in all of the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
5 SID: And I will move in all of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. JAMES: So I declare. SID: So I declare. JAMES: Greater is he. SID: Greater is he. JAMES: Who is in me. SID: Who is in me. JAMES: Than he who is in the world. SID: Than he who is in the world. JAMES: And now, there is a third step. First, surrender in presentation. Second, we, it's speechactivation. We speak, we declare freedom. In declaring freedom you might need to break some old bondages. Okay. And so we break in the name of Jesus. SID: We break in the name of Jesus. JAMES: Old traumas. SID: Old traumas. JAMES: And word curses. SID: And word curses. JAMES: That we have said or others have said. SID: That we have said or others have said. JAMES: Over us, in Jesus's name. SID: Over us, in Jesus's name. JAMES: That I will be one of those. SID: That I will be one of those. JAMES: Who will see the fullness.
6 SID: Who will see the fullness. JAMES: And who will act it out. SID: And who will act it out. JAMES: And so we use speech-activation, and then it is we must receive the anointing. Three simple steps: surrender, declare and receive. And now I want you to receive the Holy Spirit upon the eyes of your heart. Right now, some of you are going to get activated into dreams, and you've never been in dreams before, that you're going to get released in dreams. Some of you are going to get released into Divine knowings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and you're going to know that you know, that you know, that you know, and some of you are going to be able to know and see, and to perceive in the gift of discerning the Spirit because your eyes are being opened, what is the demonic hindrance against your family generational tree. And I speak right now, sharpening the clarity, and I decree in the name of Jesus, right now, you are free from generational curses right now in Jesus's name. SID: Now, I don't know about you, but I do know if you are open to receive, something good just happened to you that will follow you all the days of your life. JAMES: That's right. SID: Now we know about the five natural senses. SID: But you say there is a sixth sense in a spiritual way. Explain it. JAMES: I believe there is. So in my book, "The Discerner", I have a chapter that's on all these five senses, and then in Chapter 6, I talk about the sixth sense. I believe it's Divine knowing. I believe that we are invited into the mind of Christ and we can know in this way, by the Holy Spirit anointing, whatever it is that we need. The Book of James says, "If we lack wisdom, let me ask of God." And so I declare this. I see you have a vast supply and I'm asking for you to release Divine insight. I receive the mind of Christ. I declare I have the mind of Christ and I will now move in Divine knowings. I will know that I know, that I know, that God is for me and not against me, and I know it is a season of favor and a season of suddenlies, and I declare you will move in a new realm of Divine knowings by the mind of Christ, in Jesus's name. SID: You know, we'll be right back and we're going to talk about the real purpose of discernment. Be right back. We'll be right back to It's Supernatural. [commercial]
7 We now return to It's Supernatural. SID: James, what is the ultimate, what is God after, the ultimate purpose of discernment? JAMES: We don't want to just be on a lower level. We want to all upgrade to the highest level that we can. Now I believe the ultimate purpose of revelation, which discernment is an aspect of revelation, the ultimate purpose of revelation is to become a word, not just receive a word, not just release a word, to become a word. Or let me say it in another way. The ultimate purpose is transformation. SID: Transformation from what to what? JAMES: Well in an individual, receiving revelation, who you are in Christ, from old habits to being set free as an authentic new creation in Christ Jesus. Where there is desolation there will be restoration. That it takes being a person of revelation to receive hope solutions and to then speak, receive them, speak them and call forth for Divine applications in Jesus's name. SID: So what I'm hearing you say is wherever we go, we become the revelation. JAMES: That's exactly right. SID: Are you saying we're just going to become normal? JAMES: I think we're going to change the equilibrium of passive Christianity across the face of the earth. SID: I like that. JAMES: Because we're change agents. SID: Very briefly, you were in Indonesia and you had a bodyguard who just happened to be Muslim. JAMES: Oh yeah. SID: Tell me what happened. Talk about a transformation. JAMES: Oh yes, it was amazing, yes. This is where the word became flesh in a sense. Okay, so here's this amazing story, testimony. So I was ministering at a large gathering, 8000 people or so, with several well-known people. My bodyguard literally, because of where we were, was this professionally trained, and he was a radical Muslim. And he was with me everywhere I went. He had never been to a church meeting before, let alone one of these highly charged, supernatural gatherings. So the Holy Spirit speaks to me to speak on a message called, "Why I Pray and Take a Stand for Israel." What? Wrong guy, wrong place. So I argue with God. I'm in Indonesia. SID: Wrong country.
8 JAMES: Exactly. I went ahead. I obeyed the master and said, "Yes, sir, okay, whatever you want." So I'm up there. He believed, the Muslim bodyguard, that he was serving a prophet. He knew a certain dimension of honor and he believed that he was serving a prophet. So while I was speaking, "Why I pray and take a stand for Israel," he goes into an open vision, and he sees Jesus and the 12 disciples. This man, who doesn't know anything about the authentic Christian faith, has an open vision of Jesus and his 12 disciples. And Jesus turns to him and says, "Will you be one of my disciples?" And he gives his heart to Jesus, on the spot. The next day, he gets up and he testifies, and he says, "I'm here and I am serving Prophet James Goll." See, Jesus said, "If you receive a prophet in the name of a prophet you'll receive a prophet's reward." That guy got a prophet's reward. A year later, I returned and I found out this. He got water baptized, committed to a church, his whole family got saved and they're all walking with Yeshua. SID: You know, if you take that first little step, God will literally live inside of you. The Creator of the Universe, and he says, "I'll never leave you." JAMES: That's right. SID: I'll never leave you. And I am looking at you, but more important than me, God is looking at you. The Creator of the Universe is looking at you. Repeat after me: Dear God, I'm a sinner. Against you and you alone have I sinned and I'm so sorry. I believe the blood of Jesus washes away my sins and I'm clean. Oh it's so good to be clean. And now that I'm clean, Jesus come inside of me. I make you my Lord and Savior. Amen. I have 28 seconds and I know you hate cancer. I want you to look in the camera and command cancer leave, right now. JAMES: Oral Roberts laid his hands upon me and he declared over me, before he went to Heaven, and I knew that I was going to be the last person that he would pray for. And he said over me: "I eradicate every cancer cell in your body and I command it to never come back again." I declare over you, any of you who are watching right now, as freely as I receive, you shall receive. And I declare cancer, you leave and you will never return again for Jesus Christ's sake and for the Glory of his name. SID: Any name means so be it. [commercial] Next week on It's Supernatural. Lance Wallnau: There is an ancient demonic power intensifying its effort to bring the world under a mind-controlling spirit. I want you to join me, Lance Wallnau, on It's Supernatural with Sid Roth, and I'm going to show you how to stop the power of this influence in your family, in your business and the nation. You just don't want to miss it.