SID: So you had already prepared for this not even knowing this was ever going to happen.

1 SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it's naturally supernatural. My guest had a vision of the End Time outpouring of God's Glory and it is so real that he feels it's coming soon. I know better. It's coming sooner than soon. I know that every show I do from now on I'm expecting the presence, the manifest, tangible Glory of God to show up, and when that Glory shows up every promise in the Word of God is instant. Is there a supernatural dimension, a world beyond the one we know? Is there life after death? Are there hidden forces of darkness trying to block God's blessings for your life? Do angels exist providing us with supernatural protection, disarming our enemies? Can our dreams contain messages from Heaven? Can we tap into ancient secrets of the supernatural? Is God ready to bring a tsunami wave of healing onto Planet Earth today? Sid Roth has spent over 40 years researching the strange world of the supernatural. Join Sid for this edition of It s Supernatural. SID: Now Francis, you're such a nice guy. I find it hard to understand how you had thousands of witches and warlocks fasting and praying, and cursing you. But even a more important question than that is you survived. How did you survive? FRANCIS: Well the short answer is, you know, life and God, and the Holy Spirit forces us to find our shelter in the Most High. And the situation you're referring to was back when I had written a book called The Three Battlegrounds. And that book and the Bible was given to this fellow who was into witchcraft and [he] had a large mailing list, and that mailing list, when he got saved, this guy came to Christ and when he gave his life to Jesus he began giving out Bibles and The Three Battlegrounds. And I remember telling him, I don't need this kind of promotion. SID: Thousands of witches and warlocks. FRANCIS: Yeah, really. But I went on with my life. And you know, cities were opening up and there were moves of God, and there were personal blessings, and it was all these wonderful things happening. And now a few years later, we had led this lady to the Lord and she had been involved in a coven that was putting curses, trying to put curses on us, and the amazing thing to me was I didn't even know it. I couldn't tell that there was a curse that was trying to get through the protection of God. And every believer has that. We're sealed with the Holy Spirit and to be able to live in that and to function in there, and to walk through life, "Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil because the Lord is with us." Amen. SID: So you had already prepared for this not even knowing this was ever going to happen. FRANCIS: No. My focus really is on the Lord, on this. If he tells me to deal with the enemy, I do. SID: All right, speaking of that, you had a woman that was actually part of the group praying and fasting, and cursing you, came into a congregation you were speaking in. Tell me about that. FRANCIS: Well the woman was, through a witness relocation program, was moved to the city where we lived, where I lived and she was, she took advantage of an outreach that we had to [find] a home, a group home where she could be secured from her husband who was trying to

2 kill her. So one of our ladies, our dear ladies in the church brought her to church on a Saturday night, we had a Saturday night service at the time, and it happened I was speaking that night about how God will not allow a curse to light upon the righteous. All of a sudden, this lady realizes she's in the church of the man they were trying to put curses on. Man: Praise you Lord. We worship you. Praise you! Praise you! Woman: Often times... FRANCIS: And she begins to manifest demonically. She was picking people up and throwing up. She's a bigger, stronger, demonized human, throwing men, picking up ladies and throwing ladies. [woman screaming] FRANCIS: And right after the service, the woman that was in charge of the prayer team that took her into the back room to have prayer, she comes down. Now when she first came to church, she looked great, had a little bun on the top of her head. She was very personable, you know. Now after the service, her bun is hanging down. She kept looking at me cockeyed. So I go walking over to the room. At the time I had tennis elbow. I couldn't like pick up my cup. I had no strength at all in my right arm and I was carrying my briefcase in my left arm, when I went into the room. When she said "Francis is here," she bent over and took out of her purse a fishing knife and in her demonic frenzy she lunged at my face with this knife. And the Lord, this was the arm I couldn't pick up a coffee cup, the Lord, how many of you know the Lord loves photo finishes? He healed my arm on the way up and that knife went right...you ought to shout. That was a shout. SID: That was such a shout, you wouldn't be here if the Lord didn't. FRANCIS: I know. I know. So you know, it actually broke her wrist when my hand and her arm came down. And then she passed out and eventually everybody took her home. I called the next day. I got her number at this group home, and I called the next day, and I said, "You know, I can have you arrested for attempted murder, but I want you to know that Jesus loves you and he brought you here. You think you came on your own, but he brought you here because he wants to show you his salvation." And she said, "I hate men. My dad, my father abused me, my pastor abused me, the street evangelist abused me and your God is a man and I hate them, and I hate you, and I hate God." And I said, "Look, I'm calling. I could send you to jail for a long time because I have all these witnesses that saw you try and kill me." And I said, "But I'm not going to do that. I want you to know that Christ forgives you that our Lord Jesus forgives you and he wants " And all of a sudden this girl began to cry. She hadn't cried since she was a little girl and she accepted the Lord. Amen. SID: I'm not going to keep telling you when to clap. FRANCIS: So anyway, so it was in the context of that that the Lord began to show me how he had structured my spiritual walk so that I would be under the shelter of the Most High, that I would be in his presence. It's not that I always walked perfect and never failed or stumbled. It's

3 that there are principles, spiritual principles that I put in the book, The Shelter of the Most High. It wasn't theory, it wasn't just theology, it wasn't just doctrine. It was something that God had done in me and to me, and through me that made that barrier of his presence immunize me from the attack of the enemy. SID: Now I am told that Psalm 91 protects you from every conceivable thing that could be thrown at you in this life. That's what the secret place is. Do you realize every protection you see in Psalm 91 is in the secret place? But most don't know how to get to the secret place. When we come back we're going to get to the secret. We'll be right back to It's Supernatural. [commercial] We now return to It's Supernatural. SID: Okay, we've been talking about the secret place. FRANCIS: Yes. SID: Describe to me what is the secret place? FRANCIS: All right. I believe the secret place is the point of contact where the Holy Spirit and my human spirit are engaged. Unless you're born of the Spirit those that are born in the Spirit, that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit, and so that union of my spirit being regenerated to the Holy Spirit. But let me just say the way to the Holy Place, and we can say the way to the Holy Place is Jesus and that would be true. But I also noticed that there's a lethargy, there's a passivity. Christians, too many of us give our life to the Lord in a momentary experience at an altar, but we don't really hunger for what else there can be, how much more of God there is. That's the biggest enemy to getting into the Holy Place, is that we think where we are is good enough. You know what I'm talking about, where I am. SID: And there is so much more if you only knew, eye has not seen. This is what God says to you: Eye has not seen, ear has not even heard all that God has in store for you. FRANCIS: Amen. And it goes on where Paul says, But to us, the Lord revealed unto the Spirit because the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. Come on. The depths of God, that's the limitless reality of the Almighty, the Spirit that we have in us that we are born of. Jesus is jealous for that Spirit because he wants to bring us into that fullness. So but we need the disciple of it all. SID: What you call the secret place, the place of immunity, what do you mean by that? FRANCIS: I mean if we live in there, all the promises from Psalm 91 are yea and amen. They are true.

4 SID: And you also use another term that I read in the Bible, I don't hear anyone talk about it, Lord, excavate my heart. Explain. Isn't that a good term, excavate my heart. FRANCIS: When I pray, often I start with a simple statement that says, Holy Spirit, lead me into the presence of Jesus. Take me to where I hear his voice. Scan me so he can tell me if there's any hurtful thing in me or any presumptuous thing. It's the beginning of the real steps into the presence of the Lord. The sacrifices of God are broken in a contrite heart. That breaking of the outer men, the old man, and when I say the old man I'm not talking about your husbands, ladies. I'm talking about the thing that we used to be, the thing that we don't like in ourselves, that thing that tries to offer protection, but it's hostile to the ways of God. But now we're on that journey inward. We're in that journey where the Holy Spirit can be begin to speak, begin to show us what means to change, begin to, was I harsh to my wife this morning? Was I unconscious of the need of my daughter? You know what I mean. I have a point, I have a place, a mirror, if you will where the living presence of the Lord begins, he can speak to me about what needs to change in me. It could speak to me with what needs to be healed in me. And the 91st Psalm is telling us that it's anything we come to the Lord with he'll be there and he'll meet us there, and he'll heal us there. SID: Francis, when we come back I want you to share how many years ago you had one drop of God's Glory and what is about ready to hit Planet Earth. We'll be right back. We'll be right back to It's Supernatural. [commercial] We now return to It's Supernatural. SID: Francis, you provoke me to jealousy. Fifty years ago, you had one drop of God's Glory. Explain. FRANCIS: We were just in a circle praying, just seeking God and praying, and all of a sudden, I felt this, I could actually see it with spiritual eyes, but I felt this drop like a mercury touch my head and it just went down my back, down my neck, down my back and it just leached out all the years of when I was unsaved, and all the consequences of those crimes and sins against myself and others before I was a Christian. It just leached it all out. And I said to the Lord, "Lord, what was that?" And the Lord said, That was one drop of my living water. And I said, "Lord, evermore, give me that water. And he said, You only need one drop. And from that moment until today, every time I think of that moment in time, that same cleansing thing goes down my neck and quenches my thirst. SID: Tell me what happened to the vision you had in 1970. FRANCIS: As a new Christian, my wife and I were reading our Bibles for the first time through. We had never read the Word of God. SID: You made interesting point to me, last night at dinner. You told me most Christians read the promises, but they don't read the Bible.

5 FRANCIS: Yes. SID: There is a distinction. FRANCIS: Yes, there is. A couple of years ago I started taking every word, every verse that Jesus spoke and taught, and asking the Lord, am I walking in this, am I living in this. The hard verses and the easy verses, we tend to pick cheesecake verses and leave the liver verses. But we need the whole thing. We need the whole package. So I say, Lord, am I walking, am I really a disciple or do I have a religion about you? Am I standing and searching for the museum of what you did or the power plant of who you are, and having both? Lord, am I walking in this? If not, how much am I lacking? Or maybe the next verse was, Lord, when did you put this verse in the Bible? SID: So what you're doing is you're letting the Word of God excavate you. FRANCIS: Digging out all to bring in the new. SID: Take you back to the vision of 1970. FRANCIS: Yes, thank you. So we're reading, I'm reading in my Bible. I read Isaiah 59. I shut the Bible. I went to sleep. I woke in the middle of the night and there is a city covered in darkness. In the darkness, there's faces coming out, massive amount of people. The place is obviously desolate. The time is already passed for anything good. It's just awful. But the Holy Spirit began to flow through us. Our faces were radiant with the Light of God. I felt the surge of the electricity of God like a geyser of life coming out from me and they were, multitudes were receiving the Lord. And when I woke, I turned, for the first time in my life I picked up my Bible, and for the first time I turned the page and I read Isaiah 60. Isaiah 60 is a promise for the End Times. Isaiah 60 says, Arise, shine, for your light is come and the Glory of the Lord has risen upon you. SID: That's where, this is what we're about ready to have on Planet Earth and I feel a bubble of it now. But I'm going to tell you something. When this Glory comes in, you won't have to just feel it, you will see it. It will be tangible. Will you pray, a Word of God, pray for us to be as hungry as you are right now. FRANCIS: Lord, we do pray, Father, for everyone here and everyone watching. Father, I pray for the hunger of God, that thing that compelled Paul where he said, "I press on for the upward call of God in Christ Jesus." Lord, I pray for every heart who's been disappointed that they would be set free and they'd be able to walk out of the past and the snare of the trapper into the arms of their beloved, in Jesus's name. Amen and amen. SID: Now Moses, I want you to pray this, this is important. Moses prayed a prayer and this would be on your mouth 20, 30, 40 times a day. This is what Moses prayed: Show me your Glory.

6 FRANCIS: Yes. SID: Show me your Glory! [commercial] Next week on It's Supernatural. Sandra Kennedy: Hello. I'm Sandra Kennedy. Did you know that the same blood that cleanses us from sin provides healing for our physical bodies? You cannot separate the two. People have been trying, but you cannot. Join me on the next It's Supernatural with Sid Roth and get ready for victory like you've never known.