Barth in Conversation

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Barth in Conversation Volume 1, 1959 1962 Edited by Eberhard Busch Translated by The Translation Fellows of the Center for Barth Studies Princeton Theological Seminary Karlfried Froehlich, German Editor Darrell L. Guder, English Editor David C. Chao, Project Manager Order Now from Your Preferred Retailer

2017 The Center for Barth Studies Original German-language edition, Gespräche, 1959 1962, copyright 1995 Theologischer Verlag Zürich. First En glish-language edition Published by Westminster John Knox Press Louisville, Kentucky 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 All rights reserved. No part of this book may be reproduced or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical, including photocopying, recording, or by any information storage or retrieval system, without permission in writing from the publisher. For information, address Westminster John Knox Press, 100 Witherspoon Street, Louisville, Kentucky 40202-1396. Or contact us online at www.wjkbooks.com. Book design by Drew Stevens Cover design by Marc Whitaker / MTWdesign.net Cover illustration courtesy of the Center for Barth Studies, Princeton Theological Seminary, on behalf of the Karl Barth Stiftung of Basel, Switzerland. Scripture quotations are from the New Revised Standard Version of the Bible, copyright 1989 by the Division of Christian Education of the National Council of the Churches of Christ in the U.S.A., and are used by permission. Library of Congress Cataloging- in- Publication Data Names: Barth, Karl, 1886 1968, interviewee. Busch, Eberhard, 1937 Title: Barth in conversation / Karl Barth ; edited by Eberhard Busch ; translated by The Translation Fellows of the Center for Barth Studies, Princeton Theological Seminary ; Karlfried Froehlich, German Editor ; Darrell Guder, English Editor ; David Chao, Project Manager. Other titles: Interviews. English Description: First edition. Louisville, KY : Westminster John Knox Press, 2017 Translated from 3 volumes included in Barth s Gesamtausgabe entitled Gespräche. Includes index. Identifiers: LCCN 2017041386 (print) LCCN 2017041876 (ebook) ISBN 9781611648423 (ebk.) ISBN 9780664264000 (hbk. : alk. paper) Subjects: LCSH: Barth, Karl, 1886 1968 Interviews. Theologians Switzerland Interviews. Theology History 20th century. Classification: LCC BX4827.B3 (ebook) LCC BX4827.B3 A5 2017b (print) DDC 230/.044092 dc23 LC record available at https://lccn.loc.gov/2017041386 8 The paper used in this publication meets the minimum requirements of the American National Standard for Information Sciences Permanence of Paper for Printed Library Materials, ANSI Z39.48-1992. Most Westminster John Knox Press books are available at special quantity discounts when purchased in bulk by corporations, organizations, and special- interest groups. For more information, please e- mail SpecialSales@ wjkbooks.com.

Contents Foreword to the German Edition Translators Foreword Translators and Assignments Abbreviated Works vii xi xv xvii 1. Conversation with the Editors of Kolibri (1.30.1959) 1 2. Conversation in the Zofingia I (6.3.1959) 2 3. Dialogue with Representatives of the [Evangelical] Community Movement (10.6.1959) 8 4. Interview by Georg Wolff and Hermann Renner (11.13.1959) 28 5. Conversation in the Zofingia II (11.18.1959) 30 6. Conversations in Strasbourg (11.21/22.1959) 36 7. Conversation with Prison Chaplains (5.11.1960) 37 8. Conversation with Kurt Marti (5.20.1960) 62 9. Interview by Alexander J. Seiler (6.3.1960) 63 10. Questions and Answers at the Conference of the World Student Christian Federation in Strasbourg (7.19.1960) 68 11. Interview with Hans Weidmann (9.26.1960) 80 12. Conversation with Representatives of the Moravian Church (Herrnhuter Brüdergemeine) (10.12.1960) 84 13. Interview with Vernon Sproxton (10.15.1960) 108 14. Interview by Marie- Claire Lescaze (11.26.1960) 112 15. Interview by La Vie Protestante (4.14.1961) 115 16. Conversation with Methodist Preachers (5.16.1961) 116

vi Contents 17. Conversation with Zurich Pastors (8.21.1961) 142 18. Conversation with Catholic Students of Theology from Paderborn (10.2.1961) 145 19. Questions and Answers in the Basel Prison (10.19.1961) 146 20. Interview with Joachim Berger (12.15.1961) 149 21. Conversation in the Basel St. Elizabeth Church (3.6.1962) 150 22. Interview with John Elson (March 1962) 152 23. Interview with Mr. Lemon (4.11.1962) 155 24. Press Conference in Chicago (4.19.1962) 157 25. Podium Discussion in Chicago (4.25/26.1962) 161 26. Press Conference in New York (5.1.1962) 192 27. Conversation in Princeton I (5.2.1962) 198 28. Conversation in Princeton II (5.4.1962) 209 29. Questions and Answers in Washington (5.7.1962) 221 30. Conversation at Union Theological Seminary (5.9.1962) 224 31. Press Conference in San Francisco (5.15.1962) 226 32. Questions and Answers in San Quentin (5.16.1962) 229 33. Interview in the United Nations (5.24.1962) 230 34. Conversation with Protestant Book Dealers (6.24.1962) 231 35. Conversation with the Schaffhausen Company of Pastors (8.30.1962) 261 36. Conversation with the Editors of [the Journal] Evangelical Theology (10.2.1962) 270 37. Conversation with Zurich Doctoral Students (11.19.1962) 273 38. Interview by Tanneguy de Quénétain (11.20.1962) 278 39. Conversation with Agents of the Swiss Blue Cross (11.26.1962) 286 Index of Bible References 289 Index of Names 293 Index of Subjects 297

Translators Foreword The three volumes of Barth s Conversations in the German Gesamtausgabe [Collected Works] provide an unusual and enriching encounter with the person and thinking of Karl Barth. These edited collections of diverse encounters with Barth were the work of Professor Dr. Eberhard Busch, already well known as Barth s biographer. They were one of the outcomes of years of work at the University of Göttingen, where Busch was Professor of Reformed Theology (the chair that Barth inaugurated in 1921). With the assistance of his students, he painstakingly assembled, edited, and annotated these accounts. The result is a highly readable experience of Barth in retirement. He was sought by a great diversity of groups and individuals and often joined them at the Restaurant Bruderholz not far from his home in the Basel neighborhood of that name. In these discussions, we see how Barth s vast theological project actually works, how it translates into concrete contexts, and how it remains a living, dynamic process, with profoundly important trajectories for the thought and practice of the Christian church. The translation of the Conversations is a project of the Center for Barth Studies at Princeton Theological Seminary. From its inception in the mid- 1990s, under the leadership of then Director of the Princeton Seminary Library, Dr. Stephen Crocco, the faculty affiliated with the Center had discussed the challenges of expanding the En glish translations of Barth s works. Linked to the daunting challenge of such expansion of the En glish Barth library was the issue of reliable translations. Without in any way diluting our gratitude for the En glish edition of the Church Dogmatics, there were growing concerns about some aspects of that massive project. It was becoming clear that challenging issues were to be confronted with regard to terminology, consistency, accuracy, and stylistic appropriateness. More and more scholars found themselves revising citations from the En glish edition in order to make points that were congruent with the German text. To foster a higher standard of translation and to encourage expanded translation efforts, the Center for Barth Studies decided to invite a small group of Barth scholars interested in translation issues to meet and work on texts together. The first group gathered in June of 2007, immediately after the annual Barth Studies Conference on campus. The experience of working together on translation issues proved to be stimulating and rewarding. This small group of avid Barth readers had a solid interest in meeting annually to explore ways to improve the general quality of Barth translation as well as to do actual translation projects as a group. To carry out the first objective, the group began to develop a glossary for Barth xi

xii Translators Foreword translations, in which we noted, among other things, our agreement on how certain distinctive terms in Barth s vocabulary might be translated. The group was mentored by Karlfried Froehlich, emeritus professor of church history at Princeton, who is not only a native German speaker but also studied under Barth in Basel. His role has been to interpret the nuances and often complex allusions of the German text so that a resulting En glish rendition reliably captures the syntax, content, and mood of the German original. At its first gathering, the group experimented with the translation of Barth s conversations in the first of three volumes in the Collected Works with that title: Gespräche. The advantage of this volume was that the various documents or chapters could be assigned to different translators. The annual meeting in June was then used as an opportunity for each translator to present challenges and questions that emerged from the actual task of translating texts. For discussion in the meeting, each participant prepared a segment of a current assignment. The sessions proved to be extraordinarily productive, not only in terms of the quality of each translated conversation, but also as a training process focused on the improvement of translation skills. In 2013 a doctoral student at Princeton, David Chao, joined the project as its program manager. He brought with him not only expertise as an academic theologian and great skill with the computer technology needed to carry out the project. He also had several years of experience in academic publishing as an acquisitions editor. Chao has organized the project, set up systems for tracking the process of translating and editing each segment, and brought the project to a place where publication has become a real possibility. He has facilitated the formulation of policies and practices for fellows of the Center for Barth Studies, working out procedures for submission of assigned texts and their editing process. Also beginning in 2013, Kait Dugan, Curator of the Center for Barth Studies, has been instrumental in developing the fellows program through providing institutional support and funding. The production of this volume has thus gone through several steps: Initial translation by a fellow, review of representative excerpts from the translated text at the annual meeting, critical review of all translations by Professor Froehlich as a multilingual native German speaker, with attention to the faithfulness and accuracy in rendering the German into En glish, and final editing by Professor Darrell Guder as a bilingual native En glish speaker, with attention to the quality of the En glish-language version. The texts reproduce conversations, not carefully drafted and formulated lectures. The speech is idiomatic and not literary. There are sentence fragments and interjections as a normal part of conversations. In some instances, the German editors have reconstructed the text from cursory notes prepared for a conversation or taken down in the course of a conversation. Square brackets are used by the German editors to indicate such editorial emendations. In most cases we have integrated these clarifications into the translation but have continued the use of square brackets to indicate material that the translator has added to enhance understandability. The annotations of the German original have all been translated, making this volume a valuable resource for study of a great range of themes in Barth s theological project. There are several conversations or presentations that took place originally in En glish or French. In

Translators Foreword xiii the German edition, these were translated into German and then annotated. In this volume, the original En glish text is provided, the French is translated into En glish, and the annotations have been incorporated. The En glish originals were also conversational and not carefully written- out lecture texts. Thus at times the En glish is quite idiomatic and evidences the typical problems of spoken En glish. Citations from the Church Dogmatics (CD) are given first in the En glish edition, followed by the reference (KD) to the German original, Kirchliche Dogmatik. Where possible, En glish editions of cited German resources are provided in the footnotes. Our appreciation for the work done by the original German editors, Professor Busch and his students, has grown as we have engaged these documents. They have created a wealth of scholarship that is a great enrichment of the Barth legacy. It is the hope of the fellows of the Center for Barth Studies that the availability of this resource in En glish will enhance the serious engagement of Karl Barth s theological legacy, building on the excellent work of our German and Swiss colleagues. Karlfried Froehlich Darrell Guder Princeton Theological Seminary August 2016 Order Now from Your Preferred Retailer