1 Is there a supernatural dimension, a world beyond the one we know? Is there life after death? Do angels exist? Can our dreams contain messages from Heaven? Can we tap into ancient secrets of the supernatural? Are healing miracles real? Sid Roth has spent over 35 years researching the strange world of the supernatural. Join Sid for this edition of It s Supernatural. SID: Hello. Welcome. Welcome to my world where it's naturally supernatural. My guest got a download from Heaven and publicly proclaimed a year before Pope Benedict resigned that he would resign, what year and what month. The Vatican wanted to find out how he knew such facts. God told him. Well now God has given him another download on what is surely going to happen in the Middle East. Anyone interested? Well I have Tom Horn and Cris Putnam here and they shocked the world with their revelations on the Pope. Cris is the scholar on the team. You're [Tom] a guy that has downloads from Heaven. You were a former, currently an Assembly of God pastor. But tell me about this most recent project, and you said to me over the telephone, it's mouthful. CRIS: It's your fault. SID: I'm a nice Jewish guy. What are you doing this to me for? CRIS: It is absolutely your fault because we were on your program, and on the program the question came up, you know, about why would the Apache tribe have joined, you know, the environmentalists in Arizona to sue the Vatican to try to stop them in federal court for being on that mountain. Well I had assumed it's because they were there ahead of everybody else. Right? So their forefathers and foremothers lived on the mountain, died on the mountain, so it's kind of like a graveyard, and they didn't want a bunch of heavy equipment in there. So I said that on your show. SID: Right. CRIS: Then the show broadcasted and there's an Apache member of the nation out there watching the show and he emails me, and he wants me know that what I had said was, "Okay, it's true enough." But he said, "That's not the point. You missed the big picture." And I said, "What's the big picture?" And he said, "Mt. Graham is one of the four holiest mountains in all of the world for all indigenous people and that's why we didn't want them up there because it is what or I would call a star gate, a doorway, a portal, a strategic geographic location through which entities have entered into and exited our three-dimensional reality since the dawn of time." Well you know, when he told me that, Sid, my, the conspiracy meter in my head went into the Richter Scale now about why the Vatican would have been willing to fight in federal court to be on that mountain. Why not just go to another mountain, right? SID: So they really believe, as a matter of fact, Cris, you've been on the path of what you call the immortals, investigating with Tom for over two years. What, first of all, what's an immortal? TOM: Well Sid, immortal is just a word that means exempt from death. You don't die. You know, it's just a very simple term. But you know, to look in the Bible and the scriptures, it says that God created all these other beings other than humans. Well in Psalm 148 it says that, "He
2 created them in [Hebrew], a Hebrew word that means usually angels and hosts is the way it gets translated. It's also a military term that he says created them to live forever and ever, so they're immortal. So they're not eternal like God the Creator. He has no beginning. He's always been. They have a beginning. SID: But they're created. TOM: But created, but they're not designed to die. So there's a whole host of Divine beings aren't necessarily angels. Angel is a word that means messenger. And then we see those in the gospels, we see them in Daniel. They come and they give a message from God to humans. But there's a whole class of these that aren't messengers. There's Seraphim, the Cherubim, the Watchers. SID: Okay. What is a portal? CRIS: A portal, you know, it's just a word that means a doorway, an entrance or gate in the real simple sense. But what we're talking about is a gateway between realms. Like in the Bible we see Paul talk about the first heaven, the second heaven, the third heaven, things like that. So we get the idea that there are like parallel realms, the heavenly realm and the earthly realm. SID: Right CRIS: And so there's these other dimensions perhaps is a way to say it. So we're looking at entrances in ways that beings translate between these realms. SID: Does the Bible talk about portals? TOM: Yes. And that was the thing that was really important to us, you know. So the Apache believe that this mountain is a doorway, a gateway. New agers have a lot of those kinds of beliefs. But what we needed to know was is there any biblical precedent for this idea that there could be strategic locations along Earth where there are gateways, where there are doorways. And the funny thing, Sid, is once we actually started going down that road, we were amazed at how much of this is in the Bible. You go into the Old Testament, it's through the Old Testament, Genesis 28, you know Jacob has a revelation. He sees a ladder. SID: A ladder. TOM: But what a lot of people miss in that scripture is he says, "There is a gate here." Most people say that he said, "This is the house of God." That's not what he says. Read it. He says, "There is a gateway here that opens to the house of God." So a doorway, a portal. Then you come into the New Testament. Does that theme continue? Here's Jesus saying, "From henceforth you will see the windows of Heaven opened and angels ascending and descending upon the Son of Man." SID: But it's not just angels. Other entities ascend and descend.
3 TOM: Other entities. SID: Now you spoke with a Navajo historian of the oral history of Native Americans. Tell me what revelation you got. TOM: Yeah. This was a very important thing. You know, white dudes like me never get a chance to sit down with a member of the Navajo Nation, especially not an academic and a guy who's written books that are used in their system, in their institutions. But we worked it out. Long story short, I wound up going to the Four Corners of the United States of America. We sat down in a traditional hogan. He's got the fire going. He's drawing in the dirt like the oral historian that he is. But I went there to ask him this question: What happened to the Anasazi, the pre-pueblo Indians that built all the fantastic cliff dwellings in the Four Corners area, who literally seemed to disappear overnight? So he starts telling, you know, the sanitized story. Well they probably migrated, blah, blah, blah. And I raised some objections to that. And he looks right into the camera. We filmed him for three hours. He looks right in the camera and he says, "Well I shouldn't tell you this, but if you would have asked my great-grandfather, here's the story that he would have told." And he starts telling about a portal opening in very early America and a fallen reptilian being. They actually draw pictures of this thing. It looks like a half man-half reptile. He comes through the portal. He starts teaching the Anasazi how to go into their kivas and to practice sorcery, pharamakeia, how to open gateways and doorways to the underworld. Well all of a sudden the doorways start opening and giants emerge onto the surface of the earth. They draw that, too in their petroglyphs that date back to a thousand years before Jesus walked on the earth, the doorway, the reptile, giants, six-toed and six-fingered beings coming through. SID: But wait. The Bible talks about people with six fingers and toes. TOM: That's right. SID: The Bible talks about giants. So they got that revelation about the same time that Moses got that? TOM: Actually what they were doing was writing down a record that was showing that this was a true worldwide event. See, you have people on this side of the world that had no method for communicating with Moses and at the same time, they're painting on their petroglyphs about these giants. And by the way, their story goes on because the giants started cannibalizing the Anasazi. They all start crying out to the Great God of Heaven, who sends a flood that goes around the world and wipes them out. So yeah, it is an absolute corroboration from early American history written in stone around the same time that Moses is in the Middle East saying, "And there were giants in the earth in those days and also after that." SID: You know, Cris, you took a team and you went out to Sedona, Arizona to capture on video what was going on there. Why did you pick Sedona? CRIS: Well if you look around on the Internet and do any research into this idea of interdimensional gateways and parallels worlds, and things like that, you encounter lots of stuff about UFOs and aliens, all kinds of weird things. But one of the areas that pops up over and over
4 again is Sedona, Arizona, and you know, why that might be is open to speculation. But it is just ubiquitous on the Internet as one of these areas. So I wanted to go there and see if I could actually document any of that. SID: He not only went there, he not only documented, but he literally got on video and everyone could see it with their naked eye out of this portal from the invisible world came a being that you, actually you know, can we show it in the next segment. We'll show it to you. Be right back. We'll be right back to It's Supernatural. [music] [commercial] [music] We now return to It's Supernatural. SID: This is so fascinating to me. Cris, what does science have to say about these portals and immortal beings coming from another dimension? CRIS: It's a perfectly respectable idea within science now to believe in parallel worlds, parallel dimensions. It's not even really controversial. Most scientists just accept it. SID: Tell me what you caught on camera in Sedona, Arizona. CRIS: Well we got video and photographs of what people call orbs. Okay. Now I initially was very skeptical about the whole orb phenomenon. I've seen, you know, people thinking that these are ghosts and things like that, on the Internet. SID: Yeah. I've seen photographs of these little circles. CRIS: Right, uh-huh. So the way we did it, we set up a still photograph with a flash the way people normally catch orbs, but at the same time have a video camera running from a different angle. Now if shows up on two different angles, you know, it seems like it can't be a dust particle on the lens or any of those kind of things. We were kind of surprised that not only did we catch them on both cameras, but the professional photographer that I hired to come out there and video it saw with his naked eye, he saw a ball of light flying toward him as he was filming. So not only did they show up on both cameras, we literally saw them with our eyes. SID: Okay Tom, what does the Bible have to say in the last days about portals and things like this? TOM: You know, and this is the other thing, and I've studied prophecy a great deal in my life and never thought of it before, and I'm actually now saying that this is actually the most over looked aspect of End Times prophecy, the role that the windows of Heaven and the gates of the earth will play in the End Times. For instance, if you read the Book of Revelation, Chapter 9, you see angels that are bound unto the great river Euphrates and the time comes when the gates or whatever is holding them there opens and they come up out of the earth, very powerful. In
5 fact, they wipe out one-third of rebellious humanity in the tribulation period. So we find out that the gateways of the earth, the earth is dynamic. It's a holding tank. Jesus tells a story of the rich man Lazarus going down into the belly of the earth. Right? Jesus tells about Jonah and he says, "As he was in the belly of the earth the Son of Man is going to go there, too." Here's the good part though. When Jesus in his death, burial and resurrection that he went down into the belly of the earth, when he came out it says, "He brought with him the keys to death, hell and the grave." SID: That's right. TOM: So not only are there gates, there's keys and he's got the important ones. SID: But here's the thing I want to make clear to you. You need, really got the discernment and the times, and the days that we're living in because some of these passageways, demonic entities will come into the earth. Some of these passageways, angels are going to be coming into the earth. I have seen portals that I know were God and I have seen portals that I know were demonic. So there's an organization, you've done a lot, you gentlemen have done a lot of study on, it's called CERN. TOM: Yes. SID: What is CERN and who it is made up of? TOM: CERN is a large particle collider. Basically it's in southeastern France. It's a 17-mile long tunnel that's buried beneath the ground. And what they're doing there is they're accelerating protons and neutrons. SID: How many countries are involved? TOM: Oh 15, 20 countries of the earth, something like that. SID: There's a, and these are top scientists. TOM: These are top scientists in the world. SID: Okay. TOM: And actually, these are the most powerful scientific experiments that have ever been conducted on the face of the earth. They're accelerating these particles that are just beneath the speed of light and they film what's going on. Now why are they doing all this? Well particle physicists of course want to know about the nature of creation. So they burst these particles into subatomic pieces to try to understand what they're doing, but they're also looking for gravitons because they believe that those gravitons might be escaping into a parallel reality. SID: Do they believe that they can actually create a passageway to what they think is Heaven, which I know is the demonic realm.
6 TOM: They not only believe it, Sergio Bertolucci, who is a science director at CERN, said it in a public interview. He said, "We are going to open a doorway at CERN." And he said, "We may send something through it or something may come through it back to us." But they totally believe it. And one other final thing, by the way, is they're also looking for gluon. And this thrills me as a theologian. SID: What is gluon? TOM: Gluon is, in a layman's term, essentially the overlaying of sound waves because particle physicists can't understand why we don't just fly apart. Right? The actual matter that you're made out of, Sid, would disappear on the head of a pin. You're almost entirely motion. Protons, neutrons, spinning electrons, you re movement, that's all you are. They don't understand. SID: There's no room for pride. TOM: They don't understand why you don't fly apart. Well what is gluon? Gluon is the overlaying of sound waves that's what holds everything together. It's basically Genesis, Chapter 1, "And God spoke, barah, God said, 'Let there be.'" God emits sound waves and he calls forth into somethingness out of nothingness atomic constructs, and he makes the plants, he makes the animals. SID: We don't need CERN. All we need is the Bible. TOM: They're looking for the voice of God. SID: Hah! Well let me tell you something, when we come back, these gentlemen knew the pope was going to resign before the Vatican knew, before the world knew. They knew the year. They knew the month. Tom had a download from Heaven. That's how he knew that. But Tom had a new download from Heaven, never been revealed before, about the Middle East. You must understand this. We'll be right back. We'll be right back to It's Supernatural. [music] [commercial] [music] We now return to It's Supernatural. SID: Tom, Pope Francis, you told me he's very interested in the supernatural. Tell me about that. TOM: Yeah, he absolutely is. In fact, we haven't had a pope in recent memory that has talked so much about the reality of the devil and talking about prophecy. He's more than twice highly recommended a book called, "The Lord of the World." This was written in the 1900s, and it's an apocalyptic vision of the End Times that actually includes the role of the pope and the Vatican, and what role they will play in the rise of the Antichrist. He knows what all Jesuits know, that he
7 is Pope Number 112 in the prophecy of the popes, which is something that's been held in high esteem since forever. SID: Does he know that he's supposed to be assassinated? TOM: My suspicion is that he may know that because you know the prophecy the pope says that Rome will be destroyed and all of that that we talked about once before? And he has said publicly, he has said, "I don't think I'm going to be around very long. It might only be two or three years." 2016 will be his third year in office. He even recently said, "I would be willing to be assassinated. I just hope it doesn't hurt." This guy is talking like a guy who understands that he is playing a role in prophecy. You know, the Pope is coming to the United States. SID: Yeah, next week. TOM: Next week he's speaking before the United Nations. He's speaking for a joint session of the U.S. Congress. This sounds like a page out of a Left Behind novel or something. SID: He's coming to the White House. TOM: Yes. SID: Okay. You had another download. Your track record is amazing on what God tells you. What did God reveal to you this time? TOM: Yeah. I've never before been willing to talk about this kind of stuff publicly because you need people that can believe, that operate in the supernatural, that understand the difference between fraud and real. And we don't have a whole lot around, so I've always just kind of stayed in my shell and shared it privately with people close to me. This time I'm, we are preparing to make a prediction. SID: Do it right now. TOM: It will be the biggest one we've ever made before. Him and I are working on the 400 pages of it. But here it is in a nutshell. That the Islamic nation is going to use a weapon of mass destruction. This is all going to start within the next 48 months. But here's the thing, it's going to play out in ways people don't see. SID: Tell me. TOM: When it happens Pope Francis is going to call for the revitalization of the Christian rules for just war. That's a very important statement. It's part of deep theology. SID: What does it mean? TOM: Well it means that we can justify fighting a war if we could meet certain criterion that are outlined by both Catholic and evangelical theologians. You have to meet certain criterion. He's
8 going to call for that. But the Islamic nation is going to see that as a fulfillment of their 450-yearold hadith, which says that at the End Times they would go to war against the army of Rome. SID: But Rome doesn't have a big army. TOM: They're going to because there's going to be a coalition army. It's going to made up of the United States, United Nations, Britain. Muslim countries are going to come in. But they're going to see their Christian justification for this war through this, called by the Pope. And that's why the Muslims are going to see this as a new crusade, the final crusade, a battle against the armies of Rome. However, in the same way that the end of World War II led to Zion as them finally getting legs under it, the United States, Britain, the United Nations started calling for a Jewish state, a Jewish nation. And in 1948, what happens? SID: A miracle. TOM: A miracle happens. The Nation of Israel, the fig tree blossoms. Right? And guess what happens? The church that was asleep at that moment, they saw prophecy unfolding before their very eyes and it gave birth to what we today call the Age of Fire, the '50s, the '60s, the '70s. Your old friend, Kathryn Kuhlman, A. A. Allen, Billy Branham, tent revivals, tabernacle revivals, it gave birth to one of the greatest revivals in the history of humanity and that is what I'm going to predict. A lot of my prophetic friends don't even believe me. They say that America is going down. I think we could, by the way, have an economic collapse. Some of that stuff could happen. But I don't see that the church is dead. What I see is that we are right now near the first fruits of the greatest revival in the history of humanity, angelic manifestations. And the other part that you're going to love and I'm going to write about later is a revival among Jews that will turn Messianic, large numbers of Jews, what you've always dreamed of and prayed of is going to happen in this revival. SID: Well I'm going to have to tell you something. There is a move of God. Just open your eyes. I mean, I don't have eyes for the doom and gloomers. I have eyes for the greatest awakening the world has ever seen. I mean, Jesus is about to return with people not knowing who he is and having a chance, an option to have their sins forgive, to have Jesus the creator of the universe live inside of them, to have his wisdom. I'm telling you, this is the greatest generation in history to be alive, and you and I are here. We have been called to the Kingdom for such a time as this. So stop having your head down. Stop worrying about your food and your money, and your shotgun. Oy vey. Look up. Your redemption draws nigh. We'll be right back to It's Supernatural. [commercial] SID: Next week on It's Supernatural. Rabbi Jonathan Cahn called me the other day and he said, "Sid, God has given me a revelation and it's so big that it affects everything we as a people are personally doing, and will affect the rise and fall of the United States of America." [music