Room Conversation With Shri Narayan and Ramkrishna Bajaj October 31, 1977, Våndävana 771031R2-VRNDAVAN [41:04 Minutes] Conv_771031R2-VRNDAVAN Shri Narayan: But are you feeling better, Swäméjé? Prabhupäda: Yes. Little, little. Shri Narayan: Little better. Prabhupäda: [Hindi] Prabhupäda: Therefore always two attendants, and they are taking care. Otherwise personally I would not... Tamäla Kåñëa: Yes, please sit down. It's all right. It's here for you to sit, so you can... Shri Narayan: I don't want you to talk loudly. Tamäla Kåñëa: So you sit down. Tamäla Kåñëa: You can sit here. Tamäla Kåñëa: Yes. Prabhupäda: I'm very glad to see you here. [Hindi with guests] So, Tamäla Kåñëa? 1
Tamäla Kåñëa: Yes, Çréla Prabhupäda. Prabhupäda: Who has got these films, you can... Tamäla Kåñëa: Yes. I'm going to arrange it with Akñayänanda Mahäräja. The temple has everything here. Prabhupäda: Call Akñayänanda Mahäräja. Tamäla Kåñëa: All right. Prabhupäda: Just see our activities all over the world. Ramkrishna Bajaj: [Hindi] Shri Narayan: [Hindi with Prabhupäda] Prabhupäda: [Hindi] South Africa. Is it not South Africa? Tamäla Kåñëa: Yes, Çréla Prabhupäda. Prabhupäda: [Hindi conversation] Why don't you show them the South African report? Tamäla Kåñëa: Yes, Çréla Prabhupäda. Prabhupäda: [Hindi conversation]...slaughterhouse... [Hindi conversation] Tamäla Kåñëa: This is a temple that was built there. We have a big farm there as well as two temples. This is one of the temples. Shri Narayan: Where in South Africa? Natal? Tamäla Kåñëa: Near Durban. Shri Narayan: Near Durban. Äcchä. Tamäla Kåñëa: And they had fifteen thousand people attending at the Janmäñöamé celebration. Here you see some go-püjä. Prabhupäda: [Hindi conversation] Without culture they're suffering. If you want to mitigate their sufferings, give this Gétä culture. 2
Shri Narayan: Gétä culture. Prabhupäda: Oh, yes. That is my experience. [Hindi] We have sold this Caitanya-caritämåta even in Russian countries. Shri Narayan: Russian countries. Bhakti-caru: This is Caitanya-caritämåta in seventeen volumes. Tamäla Kåñëa: Here are some of our African publications, Çréla Prabhupäda, published in Swahili. Prabhupäda: African, Chinese, Japanese. Shri Narayan: Russian... [Hindi]...Communist country... Prabhupäda: This is really humanitarian. Ramkrishna Bajaj: [Hindi conversation about temple and darçana] Prabhupäda: When I go for parikramä? Tamäla Kåñëa: Eight-thirty in the morning, generally. Then all of the participants can have darçana of Çréla Prabhupäda, and we also have the darçana of the Deities at that time. Shri Narayan: Deity also. [Hindi] Prabhupäda: [Hindi]...so we can influence whole world. Tamäla Kåñëa: Çréla Prabhupäda? We got report that the recent printing of the Bhagavad-gétä will be sold out by June. One million five hundred thousand copies will have been sold in about ten months' time. Fifteen lakhs were sold in ten months just in the United States. Shri Narayan: [Hindi conversation] Bhakti-caru: Seventeen volumes, he, Caitanya-caritämåta, English translation. Prabhupäda: [Hindi] How many? Fifty... Bhakti-caru: How many sets? Tamäla Kåñëa: Standing orders was..., I think it was three thousand standing orders. 3
Prabhupäda: Three thousand or five thousand... [Hindi] Bhakti-caru: Twenty-four lakhs. Prabhupäda: Three thousand eight hundred. Shri Narayan: [Hindi conversation] Tamäla Kåñëa: Three thousand at fifty rupees each. Bhakti-caru: Eight hundred rupees a set times three thousand. Tamäla Kåñëa: Yes. Eight hundred rupees a set times three thousand. Shri Narayan: [Hindi conversation]...çrémad-bhägavatam... [Hindi] Bhakti-caru: Daçama skanda [Hindi conversation with guests] Prabhupäda: [Hindi conversation] I increased my duration of life according to horoscope [Hindi conversation]...this feeble condition. Shri Narayan: [Hindi conversation) Tamäla Kåñëa: Here is Akñayänanda Mahäräja, Çréla Prabhupäda. Prabhupäda: Ah, Akñayänanda Mahäräja... Akñayänanda: Yes, Prabhupäda. Prabhupäda: The film and... What happened to...? Tamäla Kåñëa: Yeah, they would like to have a......kértana... [Hindi] Akñayänanda: We would be very happy. [Hindi with guests] Prabhupäda: [Hindi with guests and Indian lady guest] I do not know. What..., what happened to the Hindu...? Shri Narayan: What is the latest about the Bombay temple [Hindi]? Tamäla Kåñëa: We haven't heard anything in the last two or three months, Çréla Prabhupäda. This telegram came from the former mayor Ganatra? Rajiv Ganatra? He wrote, "Pray God to give you long life to spread Indian culture in every nook and corner of the universe." 4
Ramkrishna Bajaj: [Hindi] That is the feeling of all, everybody. Shri Narayan: [Hindi with Prabhupada and lady guest] Prabhupäda: That is Bhagavän, Kåñëa. Ye yathä mäà prapadyate [Bg. 4.11]. [Hindi conversation] Para-upakära. This is the mission of Caitanya Mahäprabhu, para-upakära. Especially those who have taken birth in India... bhärata-bhümite haila manuñya-janma yära janma särthaka kari' kara para-upakära [Cc. Ädi 9.41] [Hindi] This is Indian culture, para-upakära. Indian culture is not meant for exploiting others. Para-upakära. That is human life, para-upakära. And that is Caitanya Mahäprabhu's mission. Bhärata, especially... [Hindi; Indian guests leave for darçana] Jaya. [kaviräja enters] Kaviräja: [Hindi with Bhakti-caru and Prabhupäda, as Bhakti-caru explains about Prabhupäda's symptoms] Tamäla Kåñëa: It's going down. Kaviräja: [Hindi with Bhakti-caru and Prabhupäda] Tamäla Kåñëa: The main thing we saw today, Prabhupäda passed more urine than ever before, and very clear-colored. Kaviräja: [Hindi with Bhakti-caru] Bhakti-caru: The telephone is out of order. He was wondering... Tamäla Kåñëa: Whether we got the reservations or not. Bhakti-caru: Yes. Kaviräja: [Hindi with Bhakti-caru] Tamäla Kåñëa: What is that? Bhakti-caru: Said Prabhupäda shouldn't speak so much. Tamäla Kåñëa: Phew. Yes. 5
Prabhupäda: [Hindi with kaviräja] Bhakti-caru: [Hindi with kaviräja explaining who guests were] [whispering in background] Kaviräja: [Hindi about progress] Tamäla Kåñëa: Slowly but surely. Kaviräja: [Hindi with kaviräja] Impossible. Bhakti-caru: [chuckling] He's saying it's impossible, that he had cough today, and tomorrow there is no sign of it. So these are all Çréla Prabhupäda's pastimes, his own doings. Kaviräja: [Hindi with Bhakti-caru] [whispering in background] Bhakti-caru: In the morning you have to save the urine. [Hindi] Tamäla Kåñëa: Which time? The latest possible one. Bhakti-caru: [Hindi with kaviräja] Tamäla Kåñëa: 'Cause he passes urine sometimes two times in the morning, or three. Bhakti-caru: For last few days, at times he's passing at four o'clock and then again at about six o'clock. Tamäla Kåñëa: So which one of those two? Bhakti-caru: [Hindi with kaviräja] Gétä conference... [Hindi] Tamäla Kåñëa: Gétä Pratiñöhäna. Big conference. Two days. Two-day conference. Bhakti-caru: [Hindi] Where is the conference? Tamäla Kåñëa: It will be in the gurukula building at two o'clock tomorrow afternoon. Bhakti-caru: [explains in Hindi] Kaviräja: [Hindi talks about medicine] Doctor as well [referring to Svarüpa 6
Dämodara]. Bhakti-caru: Ha, he's a doctor. Physics. Tamäla Kåñëa: Chemistry. Bhakti-caru: Oh, chemistry. [Hindi] Çréla Prabhupäda? [Hindi] Prabhupäda: Hmm. Kaviräja: [Hindi]...bhavauñadhi... [Hindi] Tamäla Kåñëa: Çréla Prabhupäda, you also ate a little bit of vegetable, and you said there was a little taste today, I think. [to Svarüpa Dämodara] You can tell him. Some vegetable. Svarüpa Dämodara: Yes, he said. [Hindi] 500 cc, urine. Tamäla Kåñëa: The Äyurvedic science is very perfect. But the difficulty is that until now we could not find a doctor who understood the science. Kaviräja: [Hindi] Tamäla Kåñëa: What did he say? Svarüpa Dämodara: He said that the difficulty is to make the medicine. It takes time and... Tamäla Kåñëa: Yes, that's... Kaviräja: Kidney, it is special. Svarüpa Dämodara: It is for kidney, special. Tamäla Kåñëa: [looking at medicine] Phew. What is it made from? What is that made from? Çréla Prabhupäda, Shastrijé has made very nice medicine for you very, very nice. What is that from? Kaviräja: [Hindi] Twenty-two. Svarüpa Dämodara: Twenty-two ingredients. Tamäla Kåñëa: Distilled. Kaviräja: [Hindi] Distilled water. Tamäla Kåñëa: No one will take the time anymore these days. How is it given? 7
How is this given? Kaviräja: [Hindi] Svarüpa Dämodara: Drink. One dose. One, once. Tamäla Kåñëa: Phew. This is the science. This is real medicine. It took him seven, eight hours, twenty-two ingredients distilled. He has to distill the water first. Twenty-two ingredients. It's very nice, isn't it. Kaviräja: [Hindi] Bhakti-caru: Çréla Prabhupäda? [Prabhupäda drinks medicine] Prabhupäda: [Hindi with kaviräja] Tamäla Kåñëa: This is for the kidneys? Kaviräja: [Hindi] Våkka-saïjévané. [Hindi] Bhakti-caru: Våkka. V-r-i-k-k-a. Kaviräja: Urdu. [Hindi] Bhakti-caru: The Sanskrit name for kidney is våkka. Kaviräja: Våkka-saïjévanayarak. Tamäla Kåñëa: Våkka-saïjévané-aya Bhakti-caru: No, saïjévané-araka. Araka means extract, and saïjévané means... Kaviräja: [Hindi] Tamäla Kåñëa: What does that mean? Extractive. Bhakti-caru: Yes. Extract, to revitalize the kidney. No, our medicine for revitalizing the kidney. [Hindi with Prabhupäda] Tamäla Kåñëa: Çréla Prabhupäda, would you like a little soft kértana? Prabhupäda: No. Now let me take rest. Tamäla Kåñëa: Take rest. Okay, Çréla Prabhupäda. [end] 8