Eric Walz History 300 Collection Alvin Sharp Growing Up in Rigby Idaho By Alvin Sharp February 8 and 12, 2005 Box 8 Folder 26 Oral Interview conducted by Maren Miyasaki Transcript copied by Maren Miyasaki February 2004 Brigham Young University Idaho
2 MM: [This is Maren Miyasaki Interviewing Alvin Sharp February 8, 2005.] Where were you when the Teton Dam broke? Did that affect you in Rigby very much? AS: I was working at the high school then, coming from Idaho Falls I heard on the radio, it, we did, we had people come down, we had people come down use the showers and stuff like that, didn t affect us right in this area. MM: Did you? AS: I know a lot of people went up. MM: To help with the cleaning and things like that. Did it, what, this is kind of a different question, what were some influential businesses or places in this area. AS: What now? MM: What were some influential businesses in this area or just things that you remember growing up? AS: What kind of businesses? We had JC Penney when we s growing up, and we had a quality store. That was a big hardware store that sold everything and it burnt down that was right across the corner from the, where our community center is up and we had a little store over here. A couple run a little, little store over here. They sold a little of everything and the lady that run it, she made hats, it was part of her specialty, she made hats for the ladies. MM: That s fun, but it s not there anymore? AS: No it s not there, but, but we had, of course we, we didn t go to Idaho Falls to store because we had everything in our own community. We had implements stores and hardware stores and clothes. MM: Are a lot of those closed now? AS: Yes. MM: Where do you usually go, do you go to IF [Idaho Falls] or to Rexburg where, when you need to shop? AS: Now? AS: Probably between Broulims and Wal-Mart.
3 MM: What about tourism, was tourism a big business in, in Eastern Idaho and in this area? Tourism. AS: Pardon. MM: Tourism. AS: Tourism? AS: Well, I guess we have a lot of tourists come through it don t affect me though really. Is that what you want to know? MM: What you remember about growing up, stuff like that? Do you remember anything about Ricks College? AS: I remember my, said my mother went up there when, when it called it Academy and I had an uncle that, we didn t go up there too much. MM: Are there any other big events that you remember that affected you in, here? AS: I guess when the quality store burnt down that was quite a big event, and when Abbots, where Abbots was, from that building, that Breech s Drug when that burnt down that was quite an event. MM: How did they what started the fire? AS: I m not sure, it started, the one, the one started in an apartment, maybe somebody smoke. I know it was quite a commotion because my neighbor come and got my dad and says the quality store s on fire. Let s go up. MM: Let s go watch it, right. I guess when you re bored you don t have anything to do (laughing). That s fun. So is there anything else that you can remember that has really changed, changed from your childhood to now? AS: Well, you take for Christmas, take Christmas time. I remember for Christmas trees we usually had a cedar tree. We used to thread popcorn on the strings for decorations and it was a big treat if we had an orange in our stocking (laugh). MM: What else would you have in your stocking? AS: Maybe, maybe a toy or something I think one year we got us a sled, sled amongst the two or three of us, but you know as years went by it kind of got a little more. It got to where you got a pine see and it was more, got more commercial. The true meaning kind of slipped a little bit.
4 MM: Yeah, did you go get a tree yourself? Did you cut it down yourself, do you your Christmas tree yourself? AS: Well, not really, after I was married with the elder s quorum used to truck in trees and we would sell them as a project. But I think, I think a time or two we went up to Kelly s Canyon and got our tree. MM: Where you involved in scouts a lot? AS: Pardon. MM: Were you involved in scouts a lot or was this for your son? Scouts, or was you? AS: In the ward? Oh I m sorry. MM: It s okay (laughing), you just said you did it for an eagle scout project. AS: No for an elder s quorum project. MM: Oh, okay. AS: Yeah, we used to do it every year and get our trees on the Saturday after Thanksgiving was the biggest day to sell trees. We sell more trees that day than any other day. I m sorry I misunderstood. MM: That s alright, I heard you wrong. Is there anything else that you can remember? AS: Us neighbor kids used to spend a lot of time in the canal, and we never bathed in the summer. We just go out, there was a big ditch back in my dad s house was about that deep with trees, willows on both sides and we d go down there and strip off and have our weekly bath. Of course we, we were in the canal almost everyday in the summertime. You know when you thinning beets or hauling hay, I, [a] swim was really nice. Well, we, when we were kids we used to go over to our grandpa s big barn, and he had a big orchard and lots of trees we used to play games, us kids, that s how we spent our, you know, we made our own fun. MM: You played? AS: We used to play kick the can, that was kind of, you d hide and then somebody would go kick the can, and you played antie-i-over and that was you throw the ball over a low building like my house here and you throw antie-i-over and you catch, so you catch it. MM: Oh.
5 AS: And run my sheepie run, it s a game where that you hid and I don t remember just how all of it worked, but we had, we had games that we d spend a lot of time doing things. MM: Spent a lot of time outside. AS: We made up our own fun. MM: What kind of farm did you have? AS: I just had, I just had just a little one. MM: What did you grow, mostly hay and? AS: Well I, when I started working for the school I had to stop growing potatoes cause couldn t, I didn t have time. So mostly hay and grains, mostly hay and wheat. MM: Is there anything else that you can think of? AS: I ll probably think of a couple of things after you leave. MM: Is there anything else that you want to add or speak of? AS: Well, I think we ve pretty, pretty well covered most of it. I may after you leave think, remember a thing or two or a lot of things after you leave. <Interruption> MM: Okay, what. AS: Sorry, after we first got married, you know it was right after the war you didn t have refrigerators or anything like that. We used to go get a, we d get a, we went and got an orange crate and ya cover it with several layers of burlap AS: And soak it good, and then put a bucket of water on top with a hole on it and then you put your butter and milk and eggs in that and hang it on the north side of the house and it would keep your, keep your stuff cool. Not for three or four days, but it d keep your stuff cool. MM: Did you just do this in the summer or? AS: In the summer time. MM: It was probably cold enough in the winter.
6 AS: Then, then it, oh ice. Then in the wintertime I remember my dad and one of the neighbors used to go over on the dry bed over here and they d cut ice, ice blocks of ice and bring back stacks, it oh, in a shed maybe as big as this and then they d put saw dust between the walls and the ice and cover it over, and we d have ice to make ice cream and stuff clear in til probably September. MM: Fun. Homemade ice cream. AS: Homemade ice cream, there s nothing better than homemade ice cream. That s one thing we used to do in the summer, in the, we used to make ice cream a lot in different houses. MM: What kind of flavors did you have? AS: Oh, probably mostly vanilla. MM: Probably, though (laughing). I think it would be the easiest one probably to make. AS: I think back in then, mostly vanilla. MM: Oh good and it was homemade (laugh). AS: That s good. Now I don t know, know what else to tell you. MM: Okay Well. <Another Day> MM: This is Maren Miyasaki interviewing Br. Alvin Sharp on February the twelfth, 2005. Alright, first of [all] where did your ancestors come from? AS: I think Wales and England and I think Norway and Sweden on the other side. MM: Pretty much Scandinavian AS: Yeah, uh-hum. MM: And British. When did they move into the Idaho area? AS: Well, on my mother s side, oh gosh, it have to be back in 1890, somewhere along in there when they homesteaded.
7 AS: But my father s folks didn t come here til the, about 1908, somewhere along in there. MM: Okay, did were any of them baptized before they came to the United States or were they converted here? AS: Well, I m sure some of them were. MM: Okay. So when were you born? AS: September the 20 th 1919. MM: And you were born in, well not right in Rigby, just a little bit farther out? AS: Yeah, Bybee. MM: Bybee. AS: Southwest of Rigby. MM: Okay. What about your family growing up? How many kids? AS: Well, we had six, and I was the fourth. MM: The fourth. AS: There were five of us boys and one girl. MM: She felt outnumbered probably. AS: Yeah, she was outnumbered. MM: Yeah. Okay, what are some traditions that you remember growing up with? AS: Well, that was during the depression, the early years. AS: And I, I remember I had a lot; we all had handy, handy-me-down clothes. AS: You know, they were wore out when they were, when we were through using them. And I think back in then the neighbors, the neighbors helped one another more than they do now. If the neighbor got in trouble why, you know if he got sick or something and the harvest had to be done there d be several neighbors come in and we d harvest for him.
8 MM: That s nice. Did you have any traditions that had to do with Holidays or on Sundays? AS: Well, the 15 th of June was always the celebration for Rigby and the 24 th of July they used to celebrate down in Lewisville. MM: Okay. AS: They d have a rodeo and you know that kind of stuff, chuck wagon races. MM: That s fun. AS: Us kids used to always go, if we had a quarter to spend that was great. MM: Did you ever go to the movies or do anything like that? AS: We used to, the kids used to go to the movies horseback, on horseback. MM: Fun (laugh), what about, what chores did you have growing up? AS: What chores? MM: Yeah, around the farm. AS: Oh, whatever dad wanted us to do I guess: herd cows, when I got older milk the cows, and feed the horses and those kind of things. MM: Okay. What about your neighbors? Did you have any neighbors close by? AS: Well they were a lot like they were in this area right now. You know they d be within maybe a quarter of a mile most of them. Not many of them close together. MM: Yeah, because it s a farm community. Do you remember any of them? Did you, were you friends with any specific neighbors or did they have any influence on your life? AS: Yeah, yeah, they always respected the older person that s one thing. It was always mister, it wasn t like Ronald or it was always mister so and so. MM: Okay. How often did you move around as a child? I know you were mostly in this area but? AS: As I can remember, I can remember five, four places we moved.
9 AS: We moved, we moved from were I lived southwest of here to over this way, and we to moved to Lewisville, then we moved back, and then when they divided grandpa s homestead then my mother got a chunk of ground on the East side, east and south side. We built a log home there. Talk about that, I remember the one time when we moved the house was a log house with a dirt roof, and that like cheesecloth that hangs from log to log, and that was painted. MM: Oh. AS: That was a long time ago. MM: How d they put on a dirt roof? AS: I guess by hand. MM: Fun. AS: Cause they didn t, they didn t have any equipment like they have now. Everything was done by hand or with horses. MM: Yeah, it must have been a lot of work to build those houses. AS: Glad I wasn t around when, I know it was a lot of work. MM: Yeah. What about school? What do you remember about elementary school and junior high? AS: Oh that was a great long. MM: A long time ago. AS: I remember that we rode back and forth on horse drawn wagons to school, and we used to play games at school, and in the spring they used to take us on a little trip somewhere, you know like Heise or Green Canyon or something like that. MM: Did you have small or big classes? AS: I think they were probably around 30 or, 30 students or, some of the pictures I see they have to have at least 30 kids in a room. MM: Okay, what about high school? What do you remember about high school? AS: Well, I only went two years, then I stayed home and kind of helped my mother. She was kind of on the sick side while my father worked, but high school was fun though. MM: Did you have any favorite teacher growing up?
10 AS: Oh yeah, I had one that kind of took me in hand and tried to straighten me out. She [would] tell me straighten up buck straight. MM: What about, what were your hobbies while you were in high school? AS: Oh, I gosh I don t, we hadn t any. I guess just work mostly. Well, we done a lot of swimming when I, in those, junior high and high school age. We did a lot of playing in the canal and, and that kind of stuff, horseback riding and things like that. MM: That must have been fun. AS: It was fun. MM: Okay. Do you remember any interesting vacations or outings you had with your friends or family? AS: Well, our family went to Yellowstone once, and we got as far as Saint Anthony the first night and camped out in tents. And one time when I was in high school that FAA, Future Farmers of America what they call it now, we went to Ogden one time to a stock show bout six or seven of us with the teacher. MM: How long did it take you to get to Yellowstone? Did it take a lot of time driving? AS: I don t [know] really; I imagine it took a couple of days at least. MM: Fun. AS: I think. I m sure we had an old model T, or Cheverlay, or something. MM: Do you remember having any callings at church while you were growing up? AS: Well, just ward teaching when I was growing up, not until after I got married and you know have other callings, callings then. MM: What kind of callings did you have after that? AS: Well, I was the, the, in the bishopric with, and I was their home teacher, head of the home teaching. MM: Okay. This is kind of a different question. What did you do besides farming as your job? AS: And I got, I got, I got what, no. You mean after I got married or before? MM: Either one.
11 AS: Well after, when I first got married we just did odd jobs. AS: Oh, in the winter time we d work in the spud house and in the farm. MM: Okay. AS: Potato warehouse I guess you should say. MM: How did you meet your wife? AS: Well, my dad s brother they, they come from Utah and they used to come up to see dad and they had folks in Montana that go back and forth and this blond was with them. And kind of one thing led to another, and finally we ended up being together. Her dad said if I gave two sacks of Idaho potatoes I could have her. MM: (Laughs) That s funny. AS: (Laughing) It was. MM: What was her name again, her family, whose she from? AS: Pardon. MM: What was her name? AS: My name? MM: Her name. AS: Swenson was the last name, Fern. MM: Fern that s nice, from Utah. Tell us about your kids. You have two, right? AS: Well, I got one boy that was never married. AS: And he worked out here at Fresh pack ever since he left, well he went one year to college, but ever since that. And he went to the Vietnam War. Other than that he worked out here for thirty years. Then my daughter she, she went to BYU, Rick s College and got her degree. She s using that now substitute, substitute teaching. They re kind of different kids. One is real ambitious and the other kind of takes life pretty
12 MM: Easy like that. Okay Some questions about the church, which apostles and Prophets do you remember the most from growing up? AS: Well, I remember President Grant, I remember President McKay, and who, who is the one my mother used to talk about. It s a dream it seems, I can t remember now. MM: Okay. Did you ever meet any apostles or prophets? AS: Well, yes when I was set apart to work in the Bishopric, I, I can t think of his name, Brother Christensen. MM: Okay. AS: I can t think of his first name. That s a long time ago that s been 50 years ago. MM: Since you ve been in the bishopric? AS: I have, I ve worked in other Church callings. MM: What other Church callings have you had? AS: I ve been in the elder s quorum, I ve been in the MIA, well that was Mutual in those days, and I was a secretary to the High Priest group for 12 or 14 years and I was the Stake, head of the Stake ushering for about oh 14 years. MM: You ve done a lot of stuff. AS: Well, when I look back I have, I ve have had my share. MM: You were in some callings for a long time, usually it doesn t seem like they have people do their callings for years and years before putting them in a new one. AS: Well, they, they used to you know. They used to be bishops in for years and years and years. MM: Really. AS: Yeah, the bishop we had over here I think he was in 19 years in the ward. Now they only keep them in five or six years, I think five years. MM: Yeah, at the college they don t even keep them in that long, usually it s for three AS: Yeah. MM: To five.
13 AS: Well, it s, it s, it s stressful on the family. MM: I bet. AS: Especially if it s a young family. MM: Yeah. Okay. How are some ways that you feel the Church has changed within your life time? AS: I think there s a lot more opportunity now then there, there have, especially for the young people. When we were young we didn t, we didn t get called to speak or things like that, they do now. They do now. MM: Are there any other ways? AS: Well, the way it s changed? AS: Well, we ve got the block system now. We used to go in daytime to Sunday school. AS: And we d go at night for Sacrament meeting and they used to, they could go for two hours to three hours as I remember, and now you know bout an hour on each one. MM: And did you always go to church in a church house or did you go to church in a building or anything like that? AS: Well, I ve always gone in a church house. The first, the first, well, I ll tell you this the first church house that I remember was just one big, big building with wires strung across and curtains pulled. So if you were in that class when the curtain pull you could, you could hear it, you could hear two classes at once. MM: Yeah. Okay. Did you have anyone in your family or did you serve in the military? AS: My son did, he was in Vietnam. Then my brother was in the Air force, he was shot down over Austria. MM: That was World War I right. AS: World War I, II, World War II. MM: World War II. AS: Yeah, he was a navigator on a B-24.
14 MM: Okay. AS: What do you remember about Pearl Harbor, Pearl Harbor? MM: Well, there was a lot of excitement about it, and I think there was a little, little what do you call it animosity or anger. AS: Uh-hum MM: How old were you about? AS: I was about 20. MM: Okay. Were you married then? AS: No, I wasn t married then. That was about two or three years before I was married. MM: Okay. Do you remember anything else about that war? How it affected this area or your family? AS: Well, quite a few, quite a few families had boys go and we had rationing at that time. We had to be kind of careful what we, we chased around. Gas was tight. MM: Did they ration food or anything? AS: Yes, rationing, uh-huh. But of course you know on the farm we raised, we raised a lot of our own, on our own, our own food. I remember my mother bottling the vegetables out of the garden and drying corn and drying peas for the winter. MM: You didn t usually have problems with food? AS: Yeah, we had, we had plenty of food. MM: Did you ever have any animosity against the Japanese or the Germans in this area? AS: Well, I, I didn t. They re human beings just the rest of us. MM: Did you ever hear about the German Concentration Camps during the war or after? AS: Probably, I don t remember. I remember hearing about it afterwards that. MM: Did you remember anything about the Vietnam or Korean War? I know your son served. What was that like?
15 AS: Well, I don t remember too much about it. He didn t have to go over there. He worked in Air force base in California as a mechanic on the bombers. MM: You were lucky that he didn t have to go overseas. You didn t have to really worry about him. AS: Well, a lot of parents had to worry about their kids. MM: What do you remember about the debate over the draft, and just about the War? AS: Oh, the draft dodgers and things like that. MM: Yeah. AS: Well, in a way you can t blame them, but if you re going to live in the United States we re supposed to uphold, uphold the law. MM: Okay. What about the Great Depression? How did it affect your family and the area? AS: I think, I think it made it closer and made the, the neighbors closer for real. We helped each other out when it was needed and we neighbored a lot. MM: Do you remember anything else about, that was interesting about the Great Depression? AS: I know it was really tough on the, on the farmers. Well, it was tough on everybody. I think it was worse on the people that lived in, in the cities than it was on us out here in the country. MM: Okay. What about the Teton Dam flood did that affect you in anyway? What do you remember about that? AS: Well, I was working at the school then. We had it, we had me stay there if people wanted to come and shower, use the facilities or things like that. And a lot of people from here, I didn t, but a lot of people, on account of my job I couldn t, a lot of people went up to help clean up. MM: Uh-huh. Did any of the people have to move into other places for a while? AS: I think so, yeah. I remember going up afterwards and seeing what there above Sugar City who had moved out of one brick house up at the foundation moved down in the field a ways so the flood was real and powerful. MM: Were there any other big events that affected you in the area?
16 AS: Well, there was one we lost our, our house by fire in 1962, lost everything. MM: Really. AS: And let s see what else. There wasn t too much else just. MM: Anything else, like was there emotion over JFK, John F. Kennedy getting shot or anything like that. AS: Oh, yeah, that we thought that, that was, that was something. MM: Okay. Are there any other things that you can remember that affected this area a lot? AS: Gosh I don t, I don t remember. MM: What about? AS: There wasn t too much to do, that affected this area. It s, it s pretty quiet place. MM: Anything other, anything else that [you] remember specifically that was unique growing up in this area? AS: Well, I know when mother used to get us kids up at daybreak and go out and pick peas in the field. Then we d come in under the big cotton wood tree and shell them and she tell us Book of Mormon stories. MM: That s fun. AS: What else? I guess chasing around on horseback with the neighbors kids. We used to go over to the big Buttes and go all over them on horseback. MM: That s fun. AS: It was fun. MM: They don t do that anymore like that. AS: We spent a lot of time in the canal swimming. MM: Did you ever spend a lot of time in the town or was it mostly just out in the country? AS: We didn t spend too much time in town other than what, when we went to the movies.
17 MM: And shopping, and things like that Anything else that you can think of? AS: What else could I tell you. There really hasn t been that much excitement in my life, really. MM: Did I ask you about, what was it like being; you were a janitor for the high school right? AS: Yeah, custodian. Uh-hum. MM: What was that like? What did you do? AS: Well, that was fun. That was fun that was great being around the kids. I never go anywhere, anywhere, I don t care where you go that I don t, somebody don t come see and say, Oh, you re Mister Sharp aren t ya? And what most time I get a hug if it s a young lady. MM: Not so much if it s a guy. AS: I really enjoy the young people. MM: Okay. What were your jobs that you did? You said you were kind of a jack of all trades. AS: Yeah, we d do the wire, and if there was minor electrical problems, plumbing, and electric problems and things like that. Of course if anything burnt, broke down, chairs, the bleachers broke we had to repair it. We done everything. Now they [have] somebody that just does the plumbing. They do the electrical work and the other guys just do the cleaning. See there s a difference between a janitor and a custodian. A janitor just goes in and just cleans up the mess, a custodian, a custodian is responsible, I was responsible for the building, period to make sure everything was running. I don t think the kids ever; well there is one time that I can remember the kids came to school in a cold building. MM: You took care of everyone. Were there any other jobs that you did beside that? AS: I worked a couple years in California with my Uncle as a electrical, as a electrician s helper. MM: Okay. AS: Then I worked over at the carpenters when I was first married. MM: With the gardners? AS: Carpenters.
18 MM: Carpenters. Okay. AS: Other than work, working at the potato warehouse in the falls after farm work was done. MM: Is there anything else that you can think of? AS: Let s see. Well, it s pretty much it in a nutshell. MM: Alright. AS: Oh wait, we never, we, my wife and I never missed a basketball game. We followed most of them away at my neighbor, my neighbor like Pocatello or some, Twin Falls, but all of [them] in the local area we followed, followed them. MM: You re a basketball fan. Didn t follow any other sports really? AS: No, mostly basketball. MM: Okay. You said last time one of the things that you did, you liked to ski behind horse, or? AS: Oh, yeah I always get tired I pull on the horse s tail, go out in the field or up and down the road. Oh, yeah, yeah, I, you know these big 50 gallon wooden barrels. AS: They break up into little sections that was our skis. So they be about that long and then we d nail a piece of strap around them like this see, put your foot in them and that was our ski. MM: They ever break while you were doing that? AS: I don t remember, remember getting, remember falling headfirst in the snow a time or two. MM: During the winter did you have to have to have sleighs to get out of town? AS: Oh, yeah, oh yeah, yeah. We used to have, we used, this road would be snow that deep on it. MM: Really high. AS: One time we were snowed in for two weeks, couldn t get out. MM: Wow. What did you do?
19 AS: We just walked across the fields to the neighbors and played cards and games and things like that and eat. MM: You had enough food? AS: Yeah. Yeah, usually back then we, most everybody canned enough that MM: You were okay. AS: We had plenty, we didn t have to go to the store everyday. AS: In fact, years ago when I was growing up, bout the only thing that you went to town for was sugar, flour, and oil, things like that. MM: You had all your? AS: Vegetables and all those kind of stuff, your meat you had it right here. MM: That s nice. Did you ever have to bury anyone or you were pretty good and didn t have to? AS: I didn t have to bury any of them, but I sure, my mother of course lost my brother and my sister. MM: Anything else? AS: Oh, yeah, of course my wife six years ago. MM: Okay. There anything else that you? AS: There s one other thing. We kind of, we kind of do antiques. MM: Do antiques? Fun. Did you collect them or put them in your house? AS: Well, there s one. That [is] a, that s an old coal oil lamp, part of a lamp. MM: You guys didn t have electricity out here for quite a while? AS: I think it was about; in 1935 or 6 that we had electricity. Then we had like told you there was only two phones in the area early when I was growing up in the early years. MM: Uh-hum, so you d have to go bug somebody.
20 AS: We kind of, we kind of were self-sufficient. MM: Probably nicer [than] the things we do today. We have to rely on so many other people. AS: Well, we depend on everybody else. We, I don t know, we get so we have, we depend on the grocery store and we shouldn t. MM: Yeah, for having your year supply or having your food storage is so important, probably. AS: I m afraid I don t have enough for a year s supply (laughing). MM: You don t can like your family did before. AS: Well, it s easier to buy it now then it used to be. MM: It is. AS: If we would do it. MM: That s good. Okay. Is there anything else that you can, that you want to add or can think of. AS: Well, I think, I think we pretty, pretty well covered most of it. I may, I may after you leave think about, remember a thing or two. MM: Well, that s good. Well then, thank you very much. <Interruption> AS: Let me show you this. This is a pie cupboard (pointing to the cupboard). Everything was there, but the window, one. They didn t advertise it. We just find it. MM: So where d you find the glass? AS: Well, this is there plastic. MM: Oh. AS: But anyway. MM: Did you replace it? AS: I, yeah we replaced the glass. I think my wife used ten gallon of stripper to get it clean.
21 MM: Oh. AS: It had been painted about 13, 14 times. MM: Oh, fun. AS: These are old novels, candy jars, these, these are really old. That type. They re old and here s something else that there. Oh, put your flour in one and your sugar in the other. I just done this, this old. MM: Fun. AS: I m getting old. MM: What is that (pointing to a lid with a egg beater looking contraption)? AS: Oh. MM: That s a butter churn. You put your cream in there, lost the handle. Turn it and turn it, like that. MM: Something you don t see now. AS: In the old days, some, some of them would have a little, a little barrel about that high with a stick and put the cream in there and go up and down like this. MM: Oh, that would not be that much fun though. AS: On my mother, she used to make butter, and she d have, have her papers with the name on it, have a butter, butter mold, that kind of butter mold. And they d wrap it and take it to Broulims and take the eggs and exchange them for groceries. MM: Oh, okay. AS: Back in those days. MM: They d not, do [not have] a lot of probably cash. AS: Uh-hum. MM: That s cool. AS: And this, this is kind of an old lamp, too, a coal oil lamp. I m sure if there is anything I can show you that is old. I ve got a couple more like that.
22 MM: Coal oil lamp, that s neat. AS: There s a war, here s a war club from Australia. We tended, we tended the neighbors chores while they went to Australia, and he brought this back, this. MM: That s cool. AS: A war club (laughing). MM: You re going to get a lot of use out of that. AS: Yeah. MM: My grandma went to Australia and one thing she brought back was that big long huge tubes that you can blow in or play, use as instruments. They can be really, really long. AS: Yeah. MM: Well, alright. Well AS: Well, I hope, I hope it turns out better for you this time. MM: I think it will. AS: I hope you got something worthwhile.