Transcript of Introductory phone session with Radiant Masters Robert Persons and Maureen Lundberg with a prospective student named Alexis: Robert: It is good to meet you Alexis. In your emails you wrote that you are looking for help growing in consciousness. Well intuitively I can see your level of Spirit and your sprouting point of soul, as well as your heart and intellect. You have receptivity on the level of Pure Spirit, so meeting with us is an appropriate next step. Alexis: That s good to hear! I think I have some intellectual understanding of higher states of consciousness, but can t seem to get the experience. Robert: First off, everything we say and everything we talk about is from direct experience we don t talk about philosophy, beliefs, theories, religion or any of that. Everything we talk about is because we have gone through it we have experienced it, we can directly cognize it or observe it. So this is all about reality. We have no beliefs about how the world operates only direct experience. A belief is an intellectual structure about how you think the world is most times it is really wrong, if not incomplete. When we talk about Enlightenment we are taking about what we are actually living. We talk about what we went through to get to where we are at. And the joy of living an Enlightened life. Alexis: This is very refreshing so many people just talk about theory, and if you are a part of those organizations you see that no one is actually getting Enlightened. There is no one who can talk about it in the first person, as a day to day reality. Maureen: So we talk about what we went through, and what we are living. We are both at the level of Omnipresent Consciousness we have the ability to give Grace. Grace is really two functions: First, it enlivens the level of Pure Spirit inside you and Spirit is that level of being inside you that is unmanifest, silent being. Secondly, It dissolves all the obstacles to getting Enlightened. So if you have past stresses and childhood traumas, the Grace will take care of that. Robert: Enlivenment through Grace is critical for you Alexis because on the personality level you ve done a certain amount of work you are cleaner than most people. On the level of Pure Spirit you are not what you can be and what you will be. Spirit is the level of being it s the very core at which all creation takes place. It s that level of Creativity that comes from Spirit (not artistic creativity) that creates all aspects of your life. It brings fullness to your heart and mind and ultimately into the environment. That s what we are here to help with. How does this lacking manifest itself? Many different ways one of which is exactly what Alexis is currently going through. There s no anchor, no stability for the storms of the ups and downs. It s as though Alexis has built a nice house but the foundation has not been taken care of it hasn t been fully filled in. When things are not going well on the inside there s a lack of stability. The foundation is the level of Spirit. Alexis: What exactly do you mean by Enlightenment? Radiant Spirit Introductory Phone Session 1 Page 1
Robert: Two levels of Enlightenment. 1) Unity: the level of being is completely infinite and unbounded. The soul is still individual and the soul is how you express action into the world. The level of being is unbounded and it s not only experiencing it subjectively, you also perceive it. When you look at something you see through boundaries to infinity and that s the same infinity that you are. Same with everything you hear, touch and so on. That is a level of silence, it is immovable, it is the ultimate level of stability. When you are in Unity all that you see and do is perceived with that level of silence predominant In Unity you are supporting all levels of yourself including intellect and heart. You begin to experience transparent personality - it is simply that unboundedness, that level of creation itself, the silence level of unmanifest creation expressing itself without any personality getting in the way. There are no storms of ups and downs because the unboundedness is unmovable, expressing itself like a frictionless flow. It s all automatic and spontaneous. It s intuitive based action. Nothing is in the way. By dissolving away old traumas and limitations you will get out of your own way. You will have the stability, the creativity you won t notice yourself and an independent personality, you will simply be infinity expressing in the world. All aspects of your life are progressing and fulfilling because you have full, unbounded Creativity working for you. Maureen: You will automatically see what is right, you will see what the situation is and you will automatically act accordingly in everyone s best interest. Everyone you encounter is directly experienced as a part of you on the level of Pure Spirit. So there would be no ego fighting it, no ego complaining I have to have it my way, it has to be on my terms, etc. Alexis: Can a person reach that state, no matter what level they start? Robert: Yes although our primary role is to work with those who are truly ready and open to this type of process. We don t actively look for students when the time is right they will appear. If they are ripe and ready then it s appropriate for us to work with them. Ripe in the sense that there s a particular strong fruit that will come from what we have to offer. They aren t looking for entertainment or philosophy or something like that. Also ready in the sense that they are ready to be innocent and open to let this Grace to work through them to unfold a new life a higher level of living. So the ego is not there saying I have to have things on my terms I have to have things my way. Sooner or later people realize they aren t getting there doing it their way they need to look at things fresh be open and innocent let this unfold and then they ll see that it works. The sprouting point of soul is where the ego tends to be focused it needs to get loosened up for the good to take place. The Grace we give people starts a new process it is all experiential. Even though we are talking intellectually it is just to help you understand how this works to understand your experiences. People use the word Grace in many ways but we are talking about totally unmanifest, not an energetic thing (most people think an energy thing is Grace and it s not). Grace is on the level of Spirit which is totally transcendent to even the most subtle level of energy. It s as though we are talking about the blueprint level of creation before creation even begins. It s nothing in the level of everyday experience it s more subtle. That s why this is transformative it s at the very core of your being. Alexis: That makes sense. I think I might have had glimpses of Unity, but I sure wish it was permanent! Radiant Spirit Introductory Phone Session 1 Page 2
Robert: As this unfolds you will go through change. You will get solid, stable results over time. It is important to be innocent. When I first got to Unity I felt like I was like a child all over again all the veils that I d been looking at the world through were gone. And I began to look at the world and I had to learn how to operate all over again. This was brand new to me just like a child. And then I got to Omnipresence and again everything opened up in even a more profound way and I had to learn how this works. Robert: We did not look for this role I ve been going through a transformation over the last couple of lifetimes and I didn t understand what it was this life I was having repeated experiences of transcendence and the typical mystical experience the oneness. And this was getting stronger and stronger as the years went by much of my life was spent just trying to understand what was going on. I got involved in different groups meditation and so on but none of that ever effected the unfolding that was taking place. I stayed surrendered to that highest, most subtle level of spirit not knowing where it was going to lead me but just stayed absolutely surrendered to it and then I got to Unity and I understood somewhat what this was about because there was some descriptions in literature about Unity Consciousness. But then beyond that I kept going and there really wasn t a reference point with Omnipresence. And with Omnipresence the level of Spirit is total non-existence. And then the soul is no longer individual like in Unity it s Omnipresence everywhere the soul is how you effect change and the soul is everywhere. So in getting to Omnipresence I had to uncover all over again how the world works because the rules are different things work differently at different levels of consciousness. And I found spontaneously that people were getting changed just by being around me. So I spent some years cognizing okay how does creation work, looking at things carefully. But it is ultimately simple. So we were drawn into this simply because we have this ability to help people we have this ability to give because of who we are. It came from ultimate surrender. Maureen: And from this ultimate surrender this whole organization and this whole role came about. We weren t actively seeking this but this was how creativity expressed itself through Robert and through us. Which is really remarkable it s miraculous really. Robert: it s astonishing it s like winning the lottery. Every moment is amazing. Maureen: When I met Robert he was quite far along and I felt that way from day one I felt like I had won the lottery in connecting with Robert and being a friend of his and being with him. And going through all this transformation together and being there for Radiant Spirit and the unfolding of these new roles that we have it s been like winning the lottery from day one. Maureen: When I hit Omnipresence I was driving and I had to pull over off the road because everything changed for me I was seeing infinity everywhere it was just mind bending it was so awesome and I had to pull over and call Robert right away. I said you won t believe what just happened to me. Robert: it s a dramatic step when you go from some degree of individuality to total unboundedness no matter how close you d gotten to until that moment it s still a dramatic step. Infinity is a heck of a step. Maureen: It is and it was. Radiant Spirit Introductory Phone Session 1 Page 3
Robert: Didn t I say something like Welcome!? Maureen: Yes. Something like now you re where I am. Indeed! Alexis: So it was a permanent change? Maureen: Oh Yes! Absolutely, 24/7! Alexis: I m fluctuating between higher and lower states of consciousness which feels really painful. Have you had that experience before it was permanent? Robert: Yes there s change going on in the personality but what it means is that you re still not experiencing the level of Grace that we re talking about. What you are calling a spiritual experience is probably some subtle kind of thing but it is not the totally unmanifest level of Spirit that we re talking about. Robert: When I locked into Unity I remember that I didn t quite know when to sleep because I felt alert and awake and I was used to the old cues that my body would get tired and I knew it was time to go to sleep or I d get groggy. Then I just felt alert all the time so I had a tendency just to stay up until I discovered I needed to give my body some rest. But this is getting off the point. We re talking about building a really solid level of permanence when you get to Unity or Omnipresence you don t lose it you don t go back. Everything s cleaned up everything s done. Maureen: And about that foundation that Robert has been talking about once that foundation is solidly built there will be a point in time there s simply no more change to be had. When there are no more dust bunnies no more little tiny bits of change that need to occur the destruction that you ve experienced will be completely gone and you will have full up creativity all the time. Part of what happens when there s change going on and you ve expressed this you can t really feel the joy of how far you have come because your experience is overshadowed by the change. When the change is done and gone for good then you ll feel that expression of creativity 100% - all the time. Alexis: I can feel that it makes sense. Robert: We always tell you exactly how it is so even through we ve told you some really nice things about Enlightenment we re not sugarcoating it we re telling you exactly how it is. At the same point realistically to get to that point of stability full creativity and full enlightenment you have more change to go through. And it can mean change in lots of ways. It might even cause change in your profession or where you re going in your profession and in your relationships and so on as they get rebuilt at a higher level. So you need to open to whatever is going to happen but it all ends up for the good. It all ends up for something better. I know when I was going through this I had a significant relationship fall apart, my business almost went away but I didn t care I was just committed and then came out on the other side. Realistically, what you will probably experience over time is that you will still have change but luckily you don t have a lot of the big personality blocks that a lot of others have. There s old trauma from childhood lurking there which will have to come out. We don t have to deal with it specifically it will just come out at some point. We don t have to analyze it I m just saying it s there. So that will get cleaned up but for the most part you will begin to experience a gradual but noticeable increase in a level of expansion and silence and bliss and stability underneath all of the other change that goes on. So it will creep up from Radiant Spirit Introductory Phone Session 1 Page 4
inside out. Here s the way it s worked with us and we ve seen it with other people it all gets established from the inside out. So, we give you Grace and then the level of Spirit begins to expand and then, at some point, you lock into that level of Creativity. But then that Creativity goes to work on the rest of your personality cleaning you up cleaning up the heart first, then the intellect, then the physical body then the relationships and then the environment. Now, it isn t that some of this won t go on at all times but there s an emphasis. You can have something happening at any level at any time but for the most part that s how it works. From the inside then works its way out. As each level gets cleaned up so to speak that Creativity is freed up to work on the next level. And it starts at the unmanifest the very subtle level of Spirit and then works its way up. When you lock into the state you ll have that sense of silence even when you re going through all the other changes and you will find then that fewer and fewer things will upset you especially yourself. (Laughs). Maureen: Which is true for everyone to some extent. Alexis: I m the one who s constantly upsetting myself. Robert: Yes, because you are not stabilized at the finest level of Spirit yet. You re not there you are kind of floating on the waves of water like a boat floating around on the surface and you keep getting jostled around you need an anchor. Better yet become one with the depth of the ocean. Maureen: Your foundation is not built strongly underneath you. That s what you need. Robert: That s what it s all about. Robert: I think you get the drift what you need is the experience. You did some orienting tell us how that went. Alexis: It was really powerful part of me is the skeptic I have a friend who knows about you went on your website sent you an email two hours later shifting into silence peace I m feeling it right now. Robert: I m giving you Grace right now. Alexis: Silence, bliss, peace and altered state of consciousness everything looks different now. First time I was driving and everything looked brighter, more saturate. I felt beautiful love moving within me and then moving out of me. Robert: Beautiful! Love is the most sublime expression of spirit. It is that unifying force. And Spirit is unity incarnate you could say. Spirit is unity and love is that drive for unity. It s a more active form of spirit. You said you sent the email off and probably a couple of hours later we got it and looked at you. For us, just looking at you gives you Grace. That s the nature of being in Omnipresence if you stay committed and get to Omnipresence, by the way, what a gift you would have for the world. Alexis: Well that s good I feel so committed to service. It already brings me such joy and passion I just love it it is so much fun to help people. If I can do it in a powerful way I don t need to be bringing in tons of money. The experience of giving to others is enough. So joyful! Radiant Spirit Introductory Phone Session 1 Page 5
Robert: Very fulfilling. You do strike me as someone how will be very much in service in a number of ways. So yes, there s definitely a ripeness you are sensitive to our attention. And that s what it takes at the level of Omnipresence because our soul is everywhere, basically, when you orient to us you re finding us inside of you. And that enlivens that part of us that very lively part of Spirit inside of you from us basically. We re already there I don t know if that made much sense. Alexis: it s an interesting way of putting that. Robert: You re finding us inside of you. So we can put attention on you and goose that a little bit we can make it more lively. Let s do that right now. When we talk about experience is important we mean a long term practical experience living life if we re doing what we call quiet enlivenment right now the experiences can vary. So you might get that blissed out sense or it might get triggered into more change momentarily. Maureen: You might fall asleep there s all kinds of things that can happen. Robert: I hope we aren t that boring (laughs). The important point is that you shouldn t try to have any particular experience. This is enlivening the level of Spirit and then what happens depends on what s needed at the moment. You don t have to do anything. Let s start I ll give you a little bit of guidance just to get us rolling. Just close your eyes be easy. This is what we re doing just be open receptive. If thoughts come up that s fine if your thoughts drift that s fine. Let s just put your attention on your heart your emotional heart. If you do feel you have some unusual experience feel free to speak up. Okay and now just put your attention on your finest level of being. Silence for a few minutes while Robert and Maureen do Quiet Enlivenment through Grace for Alexis. Robert (whispers): Alexis you are looking good. Alexis (whispers): Thanks. Silence for several more minutes while Quiet Enlivenment through Grace continues. Maureen (whispers): Yes indeed. So I think we are done for today with Quiet Enlivenment. Robert: It s just so nice (softly laughing) this is just so nice. Alexis you re responsive. I just see so much good happening! Alexis: it s a very powerful experience I can hardly talk. Robert: I know I m enjoying it too I see how responsive you are this has been the missing element Alexis. This is what you ve needed. Now this is likely to put you through changes in the coming days and the way to handle it just innocence and simplicity. Maureen: And be really, really easy. Robert: I know your intellect wants to get a bit active at times so if you can simplicity just reserve evaluation, analysis until some other time. Everything we re said you ll probably have a tendency which everybody does to put it in terms you ve heard before to try to put it in its own slot but you re really encountering something new here as you ll discover as time goes by. So better just to not evaluate, not judge, not to think about any of this right now just have the experience and let life Radiant Spirit Introductory Phone Session 1 Page 6
unfold. And we should probably meet in person before too long. But in the meantime, if you go through change you know how to handle that. But as you can tell this level of Spirit coming up will give you some stability in the midst of that change. Alexis: I feel amazing! Thank you very much! I m very grateful! Robert: You re welcome! Not everyone has this dramatic an experience the very first time some people experience expansion of awareness gradually their life grows in fullness over a period of time. Everyone is an individual, but everyone experiences positive and meaningful growth. This is such a simple and beautiful way to help people, and make our world a better place! Radiant Spirit TM is in loving service to the world. Radiant Spirit Introductory Phone Session 1 Page 7