SID: Tell me about the underground church in China. What's going on there?

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1 On It's Supernatural, one man's journey around the world in search of miracles caught on video tape, see the power of God in the underground church of China, see homeless people receive miracles before your eyes, and more miracles in Turkey and Mozambique. Do angels exist? Are healing miracles real? Is there life after death? Can people get supernatural help from another dimension? Has the future been written in advance? Sid Roth has spent twenty-five years researching the strange world of the supernatural. Join Sid on this edition of "It's Supernatural." Hello, Sid Roth here, welcome to my world where it is naturally supernatural. My guest Darren Wilson has put together a video, he traveled the world to literally, what did the Lord tell you his purpose for this video is? DARREN: Well it is basically to show what he is doing around the world and to give people, to show that his love isn't just a theory; it is a reality. And really what his love and what his kingdom looks like. SID: As far as I am concerned it takes someone out of religion and into where God wants you in the first place, and that is intimacy with him, relationship with him, it is got nothing to do with religion, religion is your personal taste and preference. But give me a brief thumbnail sketch of what they will see in this video. DARREN: Sure, the film is really my personal journey around the world, so you get everything from seeing gold dust and gold teeth to manna, to seeing teenagers on the streets healing people, people being raised from the dead, gypsies in eastern Europe who were radically changed, the underground church in china, all kinds... SID: Tell me about the underground church in China. What's going on there? DARREN: Oh it is growing in leaps and bounds; it is growing rapidly, rapidly, and they're having all kinds of miracles happen on a regular basis. SID: But you know what, when I saw their faces it did something to me, how about you? DARREN: Yeah, yeah, it does something to everybody who sees it. SID: I want to see what happens to you, I want you to take a look at real believers in the Messiah. Announcer: In this church the people wake up at 4:30 to come together for two hours to pray

2 and worship, they do this every day. This church meets in the only place they are safe, a cave. This church meets on a farm far away from prying eyes. Here is an example of an underground church outreach, the people sitting are Christians, the people who are standing are not. This particular preacher was once crippled but was healed when someone prayed for her; she now preaches the good news of Jesus to anyone who will listen. In this particular meeting over one thousand people became Christians. This is a church service attended by over six thousand people, and while that may sound like a lot, you have to understand this one church has over three hundred thousand members. This is often how churches operate in China, they start by getting everyone's attention using drama or music, then they pray for the sick, this has become common practice in the Chinese church and for good reason, as Dennis put it: Dennis: I have seen AIDS patients completely delivered recently, a lot of different healings, and the healing and the miracles are one reason that many people come to the Lord. Here Christians cast out demons from an eighteen-year-old girl, she is now a preacher. In Shanghai alone there are over three thousand house churches just like this one. One thing Dennis pointed out to me was that most of the underground churches in china are actually led by young people, these kids have all come out of the communist system and they want nothing to do with it. They only want to spread the love of Jesus to everybody they meet. This is a music school; well that is the cover anyway, it is really a training school for students who want to be pastors. The government thinks they are there simply to play instruments. One thing I quickly realized about the Chinese church is that it is a lot different from the American one. For one thing they think a four hour sermon is short, but more than that is how different their services looked from ours, I mean see for yourself what happens when a desperate people plug into a powerful God. This is a Sunday School Class. "What's the big deal about that?" you ask. Well, none of these kid's parents are Christians. They send their kids here so they will learn to be good children. Nearly all of these children will eventually lead their parents to the Lord. In this church service it is 120 degrees inside the building. The people meet for twelve hours straight. Dennis told me one story about a time he went to a very remote village in China to preach. He was led into a large room where the people were packed so close together that he had his back to the

3 wall and could reach out and touch the row in from of him. Everyone stood. There was no room to sit. He asked how long he should preach for and they told him from 8:30 to 7:00 at night. And they asked him if it wasn't too much trouble could he come back tomorrow and preach from 8:30 to 7:00 again. And then very sheepishly they asked again, "If you would be so kind could you come back the day after that and preach from 8:30 to 7:00." He asked how often he should take breaks and they told him not to stop. The people would wait. And then he asked what he should preach on. "Everything," they replied, "from Genesis to Revelation." And then it dawned on him; these people had no Bibles. Call now to get your copy of Darren Wilson's anointed movie on DVD, "Finger of God. This anointed movie is born out of filmmaker Darren Wilson's personal spiritual journey of two years around the world, shooting hundreds of hours of footage, documenting the supernatural power of God. You will go with him to the streets of northern California, to the mud huts of Africa, to the underground church in China, and to the Gypsies in Eastern Europe. If you are sick and tired of lifeless boring religion then you need to get this DVD. You will witness miracles from around the world, gold teeth, gold dust, gemstones materializing, manna appearing on the pages of Bibles and in the Pentagon, the blind seeing, the deaf hearing and the lame walking, a man beaten to death raised from the dead, miracles in the underground church in China and so much more. While watching this DVD people have sensed God's overwhelming presence invading their room, many have been healed, saved and delivered. Your faith will be increased. Don't miss out on getting your copy of Darren Wilson's anointed movie on DVD, "Finger of God." You will have a whole new ministry by simply showing this film to other people. We now return to "It's Supernatural." SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Darren Wilson, Darren was literally commissioned by God to travel the world and capture the miraculous. I tell you one of my favorite things that I saw on your video Darren was when you went with Jason W. out on the campus of Yale University; tell me about that. DARREN: Yeah well I was actually told by a friend that I trust that I gotta meet this guy, Jason W., in Connecticut, so I went there, I had one day with him, I had never met him before and we went to the heart of Yale University's campus. And while we were there Jason just had a really powerful experience with the Lord and he kind of was you know,

4 having this experience and I'm off to the side waiting patiently for him to stop having this experience so we could go film, and afterwards he came up and he was relating to me some of the things that he saw, and I said wow, that's pretty neat that you know, you had that happen to you. Meanwhile I was very bored. So then he looked at me kind of strange. I have since talked to him and I asked him why he did this and he said the Lord told him to do it. So he looked at me and he said, "You want to see into the spiritual realm?" And I said, "Sure, hit me with your best shot." And so he says, "Take off your glasses." So I took my glasses off and he put his hands on my eyes and he said a real simple prayer, he said, "Lord open his eyes and let him see." And he still had his hands on my eyes and he said to me, he is like, "Now Darren, just so you know when I take my hands off of your eyes you are going to see into the spiritual realm, so don't get too freaked out." And so I am like okay. And so he takes his hand off my eyes and he said, "Now look up there between those two chimneys, and I look up there and there was these little poppy like sparkly firecrackers going off in the sky, saw them with my bare eyes. And I am putting my glasses back on and what is this? And it opened up like a banner. SID: Now it wasn't just through the power of suggestion? DARREN: No, no I am seeing these things pop out, it is like the fourth of July in the sky, and I said, "What is that?" And he says, "That's the glory of God," he says, "That's the glory realm of the supernatural." And I'm like, "Holy cow." And so he points down the alleyway, and he said, "Look they are down there." And I look in the shadows and they are popping off in the shadows. And this is just blowing my mind. And so he said, "Oh, turn around and look." And I turned around, and keep in mind five minutes before this happened I was bored out of my mind and so I am like just walking around, we are in a big huge courtyard, and I know what the courtyard looked like five minutes before, and so I turned around and half of the courtyard is covered in this like thick fog, and the other half there is no fog. SID: Is there any natural explanation? DARREN: No, no, unless somebody, unless those firecrackers were, I don't know. But no, so I said, "What is that?" And he said, "That's the glory cloud, that is the cloud of God's presence."

5 It was the most, it was the strangest thing that has ever happened to me, I mean I was so shocked, I remember I picked up my camera, never even thought to hit record or anything like that, and we were, we walked out of the courtyard and we hit the street, and one of the guys that was with us said, "Look down the street," So we looked down and the cloud was following us and the whole street is covered in this fog. SID: Now when you were commissioned by an angel to document the supernatural you didn't expect to be living it, did you? DARREN: Didn't expect to be living it, no, I thought I was just the messenger, so at that point that was when Jason said, he was like, "Well God is here so now we can pretty much do whatever we want." SID: I would like to see a clip from the film of the homeless man, what did you think of that particular clip? DARREN: That was, it is probably my favorite part of the movie, it is the, I remember at this point this is actually the one-year anniversary of when I started filming the movie, I knew when I was shooting it that it was going to be the end of my film, I knew it. And it was midnight and we were heading home and this homeless guy walked up to us and he was an absolute stereotype, everybody has met this guy, you know smells, he is limping, he is asking for money, and you know Jason said, told him, it was like I'll give you some money but first I want to give you something better. SID: Let's take a look at that right now. Announcer: I was with my friend Jason W. and we were heading home when a homeless man approached us, he was a stereotype, he smelled, wouldn't look us in the eye, he had a limp and he was asking for money. Jason told him he would give him some money but first he wanted to give him something better. So first he prayed for the man's back, which he had been complaining about. Then he prayed for his leg. And I just sat there and stared at this man. He had no one, owned nothing, was a homeless bum living on the streets, what was happening to him right now? What was God going to do to show him he loved this man? And that is when I knew, beyond a shadow of a doubt, this man was going to be healed, not through anything Jason was doing, or Heidi, or Dennis, or Bill, or whoever, but through the love that God had for this man. He wasn't homeless; he was a prince. He wasn't broken; he was made whole. Man: It feels much better. Jason: Feels much better, how you doing? Man: Good.

6 Jason: This is William, look at you, feel lighter? Man: Yeah. Jason: Those weights are gone and God healed you right there and God healed your neck and back and you look better, you look like, your face looks normal now. Man: Yeah, thank you very much. Jason: God does work miracles, he loves you, God set you up tonight to be right here, you thought you were coming for silver and gold, some money, but the Lord said, "Hey, I got something better for you." He will give you that but he wanted to bless you tonight. You are his son; he loves you. Man: I appreciate everything. Jason: Yeah, God bless you. Man: Love you guys. Sid Roth has found the key to worldwide revival This is God's time to reach the Jewish people with his love. Messiah Jesus has torn down the wall dividing Jew and Gentile, the two together form one new man to reach the world. God's method to reach the Jewish people is through signs and wonders. This is why our website, SidRoth.org is jam-packed with tools to equip you to move in signs and wonders, understand Israel and the Jewish roots of the church. Log on to: We now return to "It's Supernatural." SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Darren Wilson, Darren you told me that homeless guy was panhandling for money after he got physically healed, what did he do about the money? DARREN: He totally forgot, he was so happy and so excited he forgot to ask for it. SID: You told me you have been showing this film all over to students, you showed it at Judson University where you are a professor, what happened? DARREN: Well we showed it there and God showed up. I mean he shows up every time it is shown. And a bunch of kids were healed of depression, I had a girl who the next, two days later I was teaching a class and she raised her hand before it started and she said, "Professor Wilson, I just want to thank you for making that movie, I have struggled with depression my entire life and after that movie was over I got prayer and it is gone. Every day like for two days now I have woke up and I am the happiest person, I have never been this happy." And two weeks later I talked to her again and she is still just bubbling over with joy. SID: And gold dust appears when this is shown?

7 Warren: Gold dust, yes, a lot of times that happens, it is just when God's glory shows up, and gold dust shows up with it I guess. But yeah we showed it at Judson and about twenty students got gold dust on their hands, it was shown at a youth group in Michigan in like fifteen minute segments and they turned it off after the first fifteen minutes, turned on the lights, and all the boys were covered in gold dust. Just strange things. SID: I have got to hear about Mozambique, you met a woman by the name of Heidi Baker and she has a strategy to reach Mozambique, and in particular, orphans. Tell me what her strategy is. Warren: Well first of all let me just say Heidi is the most loving person I have ever encountered in my entire life. SID: I can tell you when I saw your video it just provoked me to jealousy and I prayed, I don't know how it affected you or anyone else, but I prayed God I want to love people like Heidi. DARREN: Yeah, she is fantastic, anyway what she will do is they will go into a Muslim village, a village that's never heard the name of Jesus before, they go deep into the bush of Africa here, and they will go into these villages and she will do some singing and dancing, and everybody comes because of what's going on, and what they will do, she will then, she will preach, for fifteen, twenty minutes, tell them that Jesus is real, tell them who he is, they will usually show the Jesus film at some point, then she will, what she has done is she says, "I am going to prove to you that Jesus is real." And so she says, "Bring me your deaf, bring me your blind, bring me your crippled, whoever you have got here who needs to be healed, bring them up here right now." And so the village will you know, bring up the deaf people say, and she will ask the whole village, do you all agree this man, this woman is deaf? Do you attest to that? And they will all say, yes, yes, yes, she is deaf. And so Heidi and her children, these orphans that she has taken in will lay hands on this person and they will pray for him and instantly their ears will be opened, their eyes will be opened, and the entire village will be converted literally in one day because the signs proceeded the invitation into the Kingdom. SID: You went to Turkey with the Gypsies, tell me about the Gypsies and tell me about Heidi when she went with you there. DARREN: Yeah, well the Gypsy trip was really interesting, we spent ten days with the Gypsies in Turkey and Bulgaria, and you know I didn't realize until I got over

8 there exactly how hated the Gypsies are around the world. Here in America they are kind of like a novelty you know there is something exotic about the Gypsies, but over there they are a real problem, they are scoundrels, they steal, you know nobody likes them. And so we went and we were encountering Gypsies that had been completely transformed by the love of God, and they had turned their life around. SID: They really know how to celebrate. DARREN: They know how to celebrate. SID: Fun. DARREN: Yeah, they love to dance; they love to dance. So we were over there and it was actually the last thing that I filmed in the whole journey. We were in Istanbul, in a little Gypsy village, and there was a, Heidi had joined us for the last couple of days out there, and there was a woman there, a Muslim woman who was blind in one eye, and Heidi was trying to pray for her, for healing in her eye, but she had to rely on this Turkish pastor to be her interpreter, and it was a really interesting segment, and as I was filming it I knew that this was one of those moments where you just dream as a filmmaker, I can't believe I am capturing this on film because on the one hand you have Heidi, who just exudes love, and that is her whole life. SID: When I saw the footage in Mozambique of Heidi with the orphans, how many orphans does she have? DARREN: They have over seven thousand. SID: Did you get that? Seven thousand orphans and she, it seems like she has orphans around her hugging, hugging, she is hugging them, all the time, that love that you said exudes, that is what I am illustrating right now. DARREN: Yeah, and so she is trying to just love this woman and pray for her but the Turkish pastor wants to convert this woman first, and so you have this kind of dichotomy, on the one hand you have got just love with no strings attached, no obligations, God loves you and you know, let God touch you and then you have to decide for yourself. Whereas on the other hand, you have got religion coming in and saying no, you have to become a part of our club first and then you will get your healing. And so it is this back and forth between these two and it was just absolutely fascinating to watch. SID: But you know there was a line by Heidi Baker that is ringing in my ears, she kept saying to this pastor that was let's say, legalistic, "You have to love them." She was almost pleading, "You have to love them."

9 DARREN: Yeah you have to love, it is all about love and the pastor even said, "I do love her but I want to train her. I need to train her first." SID: He just didn't get it. DARREN: No, didn't get it. SID: Tell me about something that you saw with your own eyes in Mozambique. DARREN: Okay I will tell you, it was the one time, the only time where I was filming where I almost dropped the camera, because I wasn't prepared for it, and that was the first, we had gotten to this village and again they had never heard the name of Jesus, and Heidi had called for, the Lord had told her there was a deaf woman here, she had to pray for the deaf woman first, not to pray for anybody else until you pray for that deaf woman. So she called literally for twenty minutes, and I am sitting her thinking twenty minutes, it's like she is not here, you know let's move on. But Heidi is just stanch; I am not going to pray for anybody until I find this woman. So finally they bring this woman. She wasn't there, somebody had to go get her. I remember, I asked Heidi "What took her so long to get up there?" And she looked at me really strange and she said, "She's deaf, she didn't hear me calling her." And I'm like oh yeah. So this woman gets up and she has a little baby like it was a brand new born baby, and she is totally deaf, the whole village testifies, yeah this lady is deaf. And so Heidi starts to pray for her, she has the children pray for her. And the woman hears, it is on film, you see, and I remember hold the camera and tears are just streaming down my face, I have two small children myself, and just tears, I am shaking and my other camera guy has you know little children himself, and he could barely hold the camera because you are realizing this woman is finally going to get to hear her baby cry for the first time. She is going to hear her baby, her young child speak her name for the first time, and it just, I could hardly stand. And the presence of God was just so thick there. And then once that happened the whole village, the whole village was converted. SID: Last thought, how has this changed you Darren? DARREN: It has changed my DNA to be quite honest with you; it has changed me literally from the inside out. That's what I tell people when they watch the movie, when I go to show it different places I say look you have to understand, this movie is zero to sixty in about 2.3 seconds and I have had two years to process what I have seen. And in those two years it has completely changed me

10 from the inside out so that now I know that God is, he is a God of encounter, he is a God of extreme power, and he is a God of extreme love. SID: Speaking of extreme love, do you remember when Heidi said "You have to love them"? Well you can't love them until you have experienced love, and I want you right now, don't wait, to experience the love of God. I pray in Yeshua's name, that you would have an encounter with the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Don't settle for religion, don't settle for tradition, there is more, you can experience the love of God and then you can do what Heidi said to others. You can't give someone something you don't have yourself. Then you can love them. It is time to experience God's love yourself. Call now to get your copy of Darren Wilson's anointed movie on DVD, "Finger of God. This anointed movie is born out of filmmaker Darren Wilson's personal spiritual journey of two years around the world, shooting hundreds of hours of footage, documenting the supernatural power of God. You will go with him to the streets of northern California, to the mud huts of Africa, to the underground church in China, and to the Gypsies in Eastern Europe. If you are sick and tired of lifeless boring religion then you need to get this DVD. You will witness miracles from around the world, gold teeth, gold dust, gemstones materializing, manna appearing on the pages of Bibles and in the Pentagon, the blind seeing, the deaf hearing and the lame walking, a man beaten to death raised from the dead, miracles in the underground church in China and so much more. While watching this DVD people have sensed God's overwhelming presence invading their room, many have been healed, saved and delivered. Your faith will be increased. Don't miss out on getting your copy of Darren Wilson's anointed movie on DVD, "Finger of God." You will have a whole new ministry by simply showing this film to other people.