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1 Indholdsfortegnelse Kort overblik 2 Liudolf Van Saksen og Oda Van Billung 4 Kildemateriale 8 Fortsættes på side 1 Bruno Van Saksen & Suana Van Montfort? Saksen Billung & Aeda Van Italië Side Ane nr / / Liudolf Van Saksen og Oda Van Billung / Oda Van Saksen Lotharius II V. Stade Heinrich Von Stade Hildegard von Stade Bernhart II Billung Ida Van Saksen Henri Van Namen Beatrice Van Namen Godevaart I V.Breda Goodevaart II Breda Sofie Van Breda Joannes van Gavere Eksaerde Wilhelmus Van Gavere Eksaarde Willem Van Gavere Kathelijne Van Gavere - Haasdonk Katelijne Hutzers - Haasdonk Willem Scoemaekers Petrus Scoemaekers Petrus Scoemaekers Livine Scoemakere Margriete V. Couteren Sint-Niklaas Dierik Ver Braecken Sint-Niklaas 6718 Johanna Ver Braken Sint-Niklaas 3359 Catharina De Maere Tielrode 1679 Amelberga Vernimmen - Thielrode 839 Marie Anne Smedt - Thielrode 419 Anne Petron. Everaert Thielrode 209 Robert Van Landeghem Thielrode 104 Bruno Van Landeghem Thielrode 52 Julien Van Landeghem Thielrode 26 Christ. V. Landeghem Boom 13 Emiel Jan Person Antwerpen 6 Louisa Augusta Person Åbyhøj 3 Grete A./Emil H. Sørensen - Lind/Værløse 1 aner\ /jan.2013 Side 0

2 Ane nr. Sigfred af Danmark og? / Widukind Van Saksen Fortsat fra side 0 aner\ /jan.2013 Side 1

3 LIUDOLF VAN SAKSEN & ODA VAN BILLUNG Liudolf Van Saksen er født omkring 810 som søn af Bruno Van Saksen og Suana Van Montfort. Hans fødested er det endnu ikke lykkedes at opspore. Oda Van Billung er født omkring 825 som datter af? Van Saksen Billung og Aeda Van Italië. Hendes fødested er det endnu ikke lykkedes at opspore. Liudolf Van Saksen og Oda Van Billung får 12 børn. aner\ /jan.2013 Side 2

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5 Liudolf Van Saksen og Oda Van Billung Liudolf Van Saksen og Oda Van Billung bosætter sig formentlig i Saksen. Her får de følgende børn: , ca. - Oda/Enda Van Saksen , ca. - Otto Van Saksen 3. 8xx - Bruno Van Saksen 4. 8xx - Thankmar Van Saksen 5. 8xx - Liutgard Van Saksen 6. 8xx - Hathumod Van Saksen 7. 8xx - Gerberga Van Saksen 8. 8xx - Christina Van Saksen 9. 8xx - (datter) Van Saksen (døde ung) 10. 8xx - (søn) Van Saksen (døde ung) 11. 8xx - (søn) Van Saksen (døde ung) 12. 8xx - (søn) Van Saksen (døde ung). Liudolf Van Saksen er i nogle år hertug af Øst-Saksen og greve af Saksen. Datteren Oda Van Saksen (ane nr ) gifter sig med Lotharius I Von Stade (ane nr ). De får 1 søn: Lotharius II Von Stade. Sønnen Otto Van Saksen (ane nr ) gifter sig med Hedewig von Babenberg (ane nr ). De får følgende børn: Hendrik I De Vogelaar, Thankmar -, Liudolf -, Oda -, Liutgard -, Irminburg og (datter) Van Saksen. aner\ /jan.2013 Side 4

6 Liudolf Van Saksen s forældre (ane nr / ): Bruno Van Saksen og Suana Van Montfort Bruno Van Saksen er født omkring 780 som søn af Widukind Van Saksen og Geva Siegfriedsdochter. Hans fødested er det endnu ikke lykkedes at opspore. Suana Van Montfort er født omkring 780. Hendes forældre og fødested er det endnu ikke lykkedes at opspore. Bruno Van Saksen og Suana Van Montfort får 1 søn: Liudolf Van Saksen. Bruno Van Saksen s titel er det endnu ikke lykkedes at fastlægge. Oda Van Billung s forældre (ane nr / ):? Van Saksen Billung og Aeda Van Italië? Van Saksen Billung er født omkring 800. Hans fødested og forældre er det endnu ikke lykkedes at opspore. Aeda Van Italië er født omkring 800. Hendes forældre og fødested er det endnu ikke lykkedes at opspore.? Van Saksen Billung og Aeda Van Italië får 1 datter: Oda Van Saksen.? Van Saksen Billung s titel er endnu ikke lykkedes at fastlægge. aner\ /jan.2013 Side 5

7 Bruno Van Saksen s forældre (ane nr / ): Widukind Van Saksen og Geva Siegfriedsdochter Widukind Van Saksen er født omkring 750. Hans fødested og forældre er det endnu ikke lykkedes at opspore. Geva Siegfriedsdochter født omkring 760 som datter af kong Sigfred af Danmark. Hendes fødested er det endnu ikke lykkedes at opspore. Widukind Van Saksen og Geva Siegfriedsdochter får følgende børn: Bruno, Wigbert, Udo og Bovo Van Saksen. Widukind Van Saksen er i nogle år hertug af Engern. Geva Siegfrieddochter s forældre (ane nr / ): Sigfred af Danmark. aner\ /jan.2013 Side 6

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9 Kildemateriale for ane nr / Kildemateriale 1: Van-den-hout/Familien Van Saksen Oda van Saksen Billung Geslacht: Vrouw Geboren: Ca 816 Overleden: Ca 903 Vader: NN Saksen Billung Moeder Onbekend NN Huwelijk: Ca 835 Ludolf Hertog van Saksen Ludolf Geslacht: Man Geboren: Ca 806 Overleden: Ca 866 Kind(eren): Liutgard van Saksen Ludolf Geslacht: Vrouw Geboren: Ca 840 Overleden: 25 Jan 885 Huwelijk: Ca 876 Lodewijk der Franken Otto van Saksen Ludolf Geslacht: Man Geboren: Ca 836 Overleden: 30 Nov 912 Huwelijk: Ca 869 Hedwig van Nordmark Babenberg? Kildemateriale 2: Herweijer/Familien Liudolf Generatie XXVI LIUDOLF, hertog in Saksen, geboren ca. 806, overleden 866. Gehuwd ca. 836 met ODA, geboren 806, overleden mei 913, dochter van BILLUNG I (zie ). Sønnen Otto: Generatie XXV OTTO, hertog van Saksen, geboren ca. 836, overleden op , zoon van LIUDOLF (zie ) en ODA (zie ). Gehuwd 869 met HADUWIG, overleden op , dochter van HENDRIK VAN BABENBERG (zie ). aner\ /jan.2013 Side 8

10 Kildemateriale 3: MedLands/Familien Van Saksen SAXONY Chapter 2. EARLY SAXON LEADERS, family of LIUDOLF, later KINGS of GERMANY LIUDOLF, son of BRUNO & his wife --- (-11 Mar 866, bur Brunshausen). Brun was named as father of Liudolf in the early 13th century Gandersheimer Reimchronik [104], but no earlier source has so far been found which confirms the relationship. The Chronicon Hildesheimense records that Liudolf founded the abbey of Gandersheim in 852, first at Brunshausen [105]. Widukind records that "Liudulfus" transferred relics of Pope Innocent to Rome [106]. The Annales Alamannicorum record "Ludolfus dux Saxoniæ avus Heinrici" among those who swore allegiance in 864 [107]. The Annales Xantenses record the death in 866 of "Liudolfus comes a septentrione" [108]. m ODA, daughter of BILLUNG princeps & his wife Aeda (-17 May 913). The Carmen de Primordiis Cœnobii Gandersheimensis names the wife of "Liudulfus" as "Oda Francorum de stirpe potentum, filia Billungi atque Aedæ" [109]. "Oda comitissa, Pipini regis Italiæ ex filia neptis, Hliudolfi Ducis vidua" founded Kloster Calbe an der Milde, by charter dated 885 [110]. "Arnolfus rex" confirmed donations of his predecessor of land "in pago Nordthuringa dicto in comitatu Liudulfi in loco Uuanzleua" to Kloster Gandersheim naming "fideli costræ in sanctimoniali habitu constitutæ Odæ" by an undated charter, placed in the compilation among charters dated [891/92], which names "filia eius Gerberga abbatissa" [111]. "Otto rex" confirmed privileges to Kloster Gandersheim "avo illius Sigihardo comiti in pago Chiemihgovue in comitatu Sigihardi" to "comiti nostro Eberhart" by charter dated 4 May 947 in which he names "proavo nostro Liutulfo et eius coniuge Oda et avo nostro Ottone" recalling their involvement in the foundation of the monastery [112]. Liudolf & his wife had [twelve] children: 1. BRUNO (-killed in battle in Saxony 2 Feb 880). The Annalista Saxo records "Brunonis ducis" as brother of "Otto filius Liudolfi ducis" [113]. "Hludowicus rex" granted immunities to Kloster Gandersheim, naming "Brun et Otto nostri fideles comites [et] Liutolf genitor eorum [et] Gerbirg soror eorundem comitum" by charter dated 26 Jan 87 [114]. The Annales Fuldenses name "Brun ducem et fratrem reinæ, Wicmannum, Bardonem, alterum Bardonem et tertium Bardonem, Thiotherium, Gerrichum, Liutolfum, Folcwartum, Avan, Thiotricum, Liutharium" as those killed in battle in 880 in Saxony against "Nordmannis" [115]. The Gesta Francorum lists "Brun ducem et fratrem reginæ" as one of the twelve counts who were killed fighting the Danes in 880 [116]. aner\ /jan.2013 Side 9

11 Kildemateriale 3: MedLands/Familien Van Saksen fortsat Thietmar records that "Duke Bruno great uncle" of Bruno Archbishop of Köln, was drowned in a flooded river on 2 Feb while on an expedition against the Danes [117]. The Erchanberti Breviarum records that "Ludovicus rex Franciæ" had one son "Hug de concubina" who [in 880] fought the Vikings "cum Theoderico et Marcwardo episcopis et Bardone fratre Liutkardæ reginæ" [118], "Bardone" presumably being an error for "Brunone", although this version appears to conflate two battles (one at the river Scheldt and one in Saxony) which are reported separately in the Annales Fuldenses. The Gesta Francorum lists "Bardonum alterum Bardonum [et] tertium Bardonum" as three of the twelve counts who were killed fighting the Danes in 880 [119]. The other two counts named "Bardo" or "Bruno" have not been identified. 2. OTTO "der Erlauchte" (-30 Nov 912 [120], bur Gandersheim Stiftskirche). The Annalista Saxo records "Otto" as "filius Liudolfi ducis" [121]. Graf im Südthüringau. Graf im Eichsfeld see below. 3. THANKMAR. Europäische Stammtafeln [122] names Thankmar as a son of Liudolf & his wife but the primary source which confirms this has not so far been identified. [Abbot of Corvey 877/79]. Ludolphus comes donated property in Daelhem et in Adonhusen to Corvey monastery pro filio suo Tancmaro [123]. 4. LIUTGARD (-17 or 30 Nov 885, bur Aschaffenburg). Widukind names "Liudgardam sororem Brunonis ac magni ducis Oddonis" as wife of "orientales Francos imperantium Hluthowicus" [124]. "Hludowicus rex" made a donation of property in "villa Winenheim" to Kloster Lorsch in the name of "comiti Werinhario" by charter dated 4 Jan 877, naming "coniuge nostra Liutgarda" [125]. The necrology of Fulda records the death in 885 of "Liutgart regina" [126]. The death and burial place of "Liudgardis regina" are recorded in the Annalista Saxo [127]. m (before 29 Nov 874) LUDWIG, son of LUDWIG II "der Deutsche" King of the East Franks & his wife Emma [Welf] ([835]-Frankfurt-am-Main 20 Jan 882, bur Kloster Lorsch). He succeeded his father in 876 as LUDWIG III "der Jüngere" King of the East Franks, Saxony and ½ Lotharingia. King of Bavaria 879. King of Lotharingia ENDA. Europäische Stammtafeln [128] names Enda as a daughter of Liudolf & his wife, and her marriage, but the primary source which confirms this has not so far been identified. m HATHUMOD ( Sep 874, bur Brunnshausen). The Chronicon Hildesheimense records that "Hathamodam eius ducis [Liudolfi] filiam" was was installed as first abbess of Gandersheim in 852, and that she died 18 years later [129]. Her life and death are recounted in the Vita et Obitus Hathamodæ [130]. Her death is recorded in the Annalista Saxo [131]. aner\ /jan.2013 Side 10

12 Kildemateriale 3: MedLands/Familien Van Saksen fortsat 7. GERBERGA (-5 Sep [896/97]). The Chronicon Hildesheimense records that "Gerbergam sororem [Hathamodæ]" succeeded her sister as second abbess of Gandersheim [132]. "Gerburgis" is named sister of "Hathumod" [133], whom she succeeded as Abbess of Gandersheim in 874 [134]. "Hludowicus rex" granted immunities to Kloster Gandersheim, naming "Brun et Otto nostril fideles comites [et] Liutolf genitor eorum [et] Gerbirg soror eorundem comitum" by charter dated 26 Jan 877 [135]. 8. CHRISTINA (-1 Apr [919/20], bur Gandersheim Stiftskirche). Thankmar records that "Sororem autem eius [=Gerburgis [et] Hathumod] Cristinam" entered Gandersheim, specifying that they were all daughters of "Oda" [136]. Abbess of Gandersheim daughter (-young). Europäische Stammtafeln [137] refers to an unnamed daughter of Liudolf & his wife who died young, but the primary source which confirms this has not so far been identified. 10. son (-young). Europäische Stammtafeln [138] refers to two or three unnamed sons of Liudolf & his wife who died young, but the primary source which confirms this has not so far been identified. 11. son (-young). Europäische Stammtafeln [139] refers to two or three unnamed sons of Liudolf & his wife who died young, but the primary source which confirms this has not so far been identified. 12. [son (-young). Europäische Stammtafeln[ 140] refers to two or three unnamed sons of Liudolf & his wife who died young, but the primary source which confirms this has not so far been identified.] [108] Annales Xantenses 866, MGH SS II, p [109] Carmen de Primordiis Cœnobii Gandersheimensis, MGH SS IV, p [110] Riedel Mark 1 [the full reference is not given], p. 25, quoted in Raumer, G. W. von (1836) Regesta Historiæ Brandenburgensis Tome I (Berlin) ( Regesta Historiæ Brandenburgensis ), p. 24. [111] D Arn 107, p [112] D O I 89, p [113] Annalista Saxo 907. [114] D LJ 3, p [115] Annales Fuldensium Pars Tertia, auctore incerto 880, MGH SS I, p [116] Gesta quorundam regum Francorum 880, MGH SS I, p [117] Thietmar 2.23, p [118] Erchanberti Breviarum, MGH SS II, p [119] Gesta quorundam regum Francorum 880, MGH SS I, p [120] Thietmar 1.7. [121] Annalista Saxo 907. [122] ES I [123] Traditiones Corbeienses 235, p. 96. [124] Widukindi Res Gestæ Saxonicæ I.16, MGH SS III, p [125] D LJ 2, p aner\ /jan.2013 Side 11

13 Kildemateriale 3: MedLands/Familien Van Saksen fortsat [126] Annales Necrologici Fuldenses, MGH SS XIII, p [127] Annalista Saxo 885, which gives the exact date. [128] ES I [129] Chronicon Hildesheimense 4, MGH SS VII, p [130] Agii, Vita et Obitus Hathamodæ, MGH SS IV, p. 166 et seq. [131] Annalista Saxo 870. [132] Chronicon Hildesheimense 4, MGH SS VII, p [133] Thangmari, Vita Bernwaldi Episcopi Hildesheimensis 12, MGH SS IV, p [134] Annalista Saxo 870. [135] D LJ 3, p [136] Thangmari, Vita Bernwaldi Episcopi Hildesheimensis 12, MGH SS IV, p [137] ES I [138] ES I [139] ES I [140] ES I [141] Annalista Saxo 907. Kildemateriale 4: Wikipedia/Familien Van Saksen Liudolf (vóór 806, - 11 maart 866) was graaf in het hertogdom Saksen, zeker sinds 840, en hertog van de Oost-Saksen (Latijn: dux orientalis Saxonum), zeker sinds 850. Hij geldt als de stamvader van de Liudolfingen of Ottonen, omdat hij er de oudste naspeurbare vertegenwoordiger van is. Liudolf was (minstens) vanaf 816 gehuwd met Oda, dochter van de princeps van Billung (Billungers). Liudolf en Oda hadden twaalf kinderen. Eén van hen is de H. Hathumod van Brunshausen.Volgens andere bronnen was hij getrouwd met Hedwig, dochter van Everhard van Friuli. De heilige Hathumod van Brunshausen (840-Gandersheim, 28 november 874) was een Duitse geestelijke. Hathumod was de dochter van hertog Liudolf van Saksen en van zijn vrouw Oda. Zij ging bij de benedictijnen en werd in 852 abdis van het het door haar ouders in Brunshausen gestichte klooster, dat in 856 naar Gandersheim werd verplaatst. Toen in het klooster een epidemie uitbrak, verzorgde zij haar zieke medezusters, waardoor zij zelf ziek werd en stierf. Haar feestdag is op 28 november. aner\ /jan.2013 Side 12

14 Kildemateriale 5: Wissenburg/Familien Van Saksen C:\Users\Compaq\Desktop\Aner\Aner, kildemateriale\belgien-aner, kildemateriale\wissenburg\gen 37_2009.htm Liudolf I van SAKSEN Familienaam Index Vader Moeder Geboren rond 806 Overleden 866 Hertog in Sachsen, 860. Hij was stichter van Gandersheim. Huwt Oda van BILLUNG Familienaam Index Vader Moeder Geboren 806 Overleden 913 Overleden op de bijbelse leeftijd van 107 jaar. Zeggen de bronnen. Echt waar... Anderen noemen 818 als geboortejaar (waardoor ze slechts een deerne van 95 was bij haar overlijden). Kinderen: Bruno in Sachsen, gevallen tegen de Noormannen Otto Zie Thankmar, abt Luitgard (+17/ ) huwt Lodewijk III van Oostfranken (+882) Enda Hathumod (* ), abdis Gerberga ( /7), abdis Christina ( /20), abdis N, jongestorven dochter N., jongestorven zoon N., jongestorven zoon N., jongestorven zoon (hypothetisch) aner\ /jan.2013 Side 13

15 Kildemateriale for ane nr / Kildemateriale 1: MedLands/Familien Bruno Van Saksen Chapter 2. EARLY SAXON LEADERS, family of LIUDOLF, later KINGS of GERMANY Three brothers, parents not known, although the primary source which confirms this relationship has not so far been identified. It is assumed that the brothers were related to Bruno and his son Ekbert (see above). If this is correct, from a chronological point of view they may have been brothers of Ekbert. It is also possible that the relationship was through Ekbert's mother. 1. BRUNO. Bruno was named as father of Liudolf in the early 13th century Gandersheimer Reimchronik [102], but no earlier source has so far been identified which confirms the relationship. m ---. The name of Bruno's wife is not known. Bruno & his wife had one child: a) LIUDOLF (-11 Mar 866, bur Brunshausen). Graf. 2. UFFO [Ovo] or LIUDOLF (-27 Jun [before 852]). m RICHEIT, daughter of RICFRID & his wife ---. The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not so far been identified. Uffo/Liudolf & his wife had five children: a) ALTFRID (-15 Aug 874, bur Essen Stiftskirche). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not so far been identified. Co-founder of Gandersheim. He founded Kloster Seligenstadt, and the convent of Essen in 870. Co-founder of Kloster Lamspringe in 879. The Chronicon Hildesheimense records that "Altfridus" was ordained as fourth Bishop of Hildesheim in 847 [103]. He built Hildesheim cathedral. b) ADI. The primary source which confirms his parentage has not so far been identified. [852]. c) TADI. The primary source which confirms his parentage has not so far been identified. [852]. d) FRIEDRICH. The primary source which confirms his parentage has not so far been identified. [852]. e) GERSUIT (-30 Dec ----, bur Essen St Quintinus). The primary source which confirms her parentage has not so far been identified. First Abbess of Essen BOVO. The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified aner\ /jan.2013 Side 14

16 Kildemateriale 2: Wissenburg/Familien Bruno Van Saksen Noter: [102] Wolff, L. (ed.) (1969) Die Gandersheimer Reimchronik des Priesters Eberhard 2 nd Ed. (Altdeutsche Textbibliothek, Tübingen), 9, lines , cited in Jackman, D. C. (1997) Criticism and Critique, sidelights on the Konradiner (Oxford Unit for Prosopographical Research), p. 146 footnote 40. [103] Chronicon Hildesheimense 4, MGH SS VII, p Bruno van SAKSEN Familienaam Index Vader Moeder Uit het geslacht van Widekind; afstamming onzeker Huwt Suana van MONTFORT Familienaam Index Vader onbekend Moeder onbekend Haar naam is onzeker. Kinderen: Liudolf I Zie Bruno s forældre: Widukind van SAKSEN Familienaam Index Vader onbekend Moeder onbekend Hertog van Engern, als leider van de Saksen legendarisch tegenstander van Karel de Grote. Hypothetisch vader van Bruno en diens broers: ES NF XVII/10. Huwt Geva SIEGFRIEDSDOCHTER Familienaam Index Vader Moeder Kinderen: Wigbert, wel genoemd als vader van Waltbert van Graingau Bruno Zie Udo (+ca 852) huwt Richeit dochter van Ricfrid; genoemd als broer van Bruno Bovo genoemd rond 850 als broer van Bruno. aner\ /jan.2013 Side 15

17 Kildemateriale for ane nr / Kildemateriale 1: Herweijer/Familien Billung I Generatie XXVII BILLUNG I, graaf. Kildemateriale 2: Wissenburg/Familien? Van Saksen Billung N. BILLUNG Familienaam Index Vader onbekend Moeder onbekend Geboren ca. 800 Hypotthetisch, niet door ES ondersteund Huwt Aeda van ITALIË Familienaam Index Vader onbekend Moeder onbekend Kinderen: Oda van Billung Zie aner\ /jan.2013 Side 16

18 Kildemateriale for ane nr / Kildemateriale 1: Wissenburg/Familien Widukind Van Saksen Widukind van SAKSEN Familienaam Index Vader onbekend Moeder onbekend Hertog van Engern, als leider van de Saksen legendarisch tegenstander van Karel de Grote. Hypothetisch vader van Bruno en diens broers: ES NF XVII/10. Huwt Geva SIEGFRIEDSDOCHTER Familienaam Index Vader Moeder Kinderen: Wigbert, wel genoemd als vader van Waltbert van Graingau Bruno Zie Udo (+ca 852) huwt Richeit dochter van Ricfrid; genoemd als broer van Bruno Bovo genoemd rond 850 als broer van Bruno Geva s forældre: Siegfried N. Index Vader onbekend Moeder onbekend Een Deense koning. Huwt N.N. Index Vader onbekend Moeder onbekend Kinderen: Geva Zie aner\ /jan.2013 Side 17

19 Kildemateriale 2: Wikipedia/Familien Widukind Van Saksen Eerste bron: ANNALES REGNI FRANCORUM (ANNALES LAURISSENSES MAIORES) Et celebravit domnus gloriosus praedictus rex natalem Domini in supradicta villa Carisiacum et pascha similiter. Et inmutavit se numerus annorum in [782] DCCLXXXII. Tunc domnus Carolus rex iter peragens, Renum transiens ad Coloniam et synodum tenuit, ubi Lippiae consurgit; ibique omnes Saxones venientes, excepto rebellis Widochindus. Etiam illuc convenerunt Nordmanni missi Sigifridi regis, id est Halptani cum sociis suis; similiter et Avari illuc convenerunt, missi a cagano et iugurro. Ibi peracto placito reversus est domnus Carolus rex in Franciam. Et cum reversus fuisset, statim iterum Saxones solito more rebellati sunt, suadente Widochindo. Et ignorante hoc domno Carolo rege, misit missos suos Adalgisum et Gailonem atque Woradum, ut moverent exercitum Francorum et Saxonum super Sclavos paucos, qui rebelles fuerant. Et supranominati missi in via audientes, quod Saxones rebellati fuissent, coniungentes supradictam scaram, inruerunt super Saxones et nullum mandatum exinde fecerunt domno Carolo regi. Et commiserunt bellum cum Saxonibus; et fortiter pugnantes et multos Saxones interimentes victores extiterunt Franci. Et ceciderunt ibi duo ex ipsis *missis, Adalgisus et Gailo, in monte, qui dicitur Suntdal. Hoc audiens domnus Carolus rex una cum Francis, quos sub celeritate coniungere potuit, illuc perrexit et pervenit usque ad locum, ubi Alara confluit in Wisora. Tunc omnes Saxones iterum convenientes subdiderunt se sub potestate supradicti domni regis et reddiderunt omnes malefactores illos, qui ipsud rebellium maxime termina-verunt, ad occidendun IIIID; quod ita et factum est, excepto Widochindo, qui fuga lapsus est partibus Nordmanniae. Haec omnia peracta reversus est praefatus domnus rex in Francia. Charlemagne's War Against the Saxons 782 From the Annals of Einhard: At the beginning of the year [782], when supplies were plentiful and the army could be led into the field, the king decided to go into Saxony and to hold there a general assembly, as he was used to do every year in Francia. He crossed the Rhine at Cologne, and with the whole Frankish army came to the source of the Lippe, where he made a camp and remained for many days. He there heard and dismissed the ambassadors sent by Sigfried, king of the Danes, and those who had come from Caganus and Juggurus, chiefs of the Huns, to seek peace. When the assembly was dissolved, and he had betaken himself across the Rhine into Gallia, Widukind, who had fled to the Northmen, returned to his fatherland, and with wain hopes aroused the Saxons to rebellion. aner\ /jan.2013 Side 18

20 Kildemateriale 2: Wikipedia/Familien Widukind Van Saksen fortsat In the meantime it was reported to the king that the Sorabi Slavs, who inhabit the region between the Elbe and the Saale, had invaded the lands of the Thuringians and Saxons, their neighbors, on a plundering expedition and had sacked and burned several places. He immediately summoned his three ministers, Adalgis, his chamberlain; Geilo, his constable; and Woradus, the head of the palace, ordered that they should take with them East Franks and Saxons and chastise forthwith the audacity of the unruly Slavs. When the leaders of this force learned, upon entering the Saxon territory, that the Saxons, by Widukind's advice, were about to wage war on the Franks, they abandoned the campaign against the Slavs, and with the forces of the East Franks pushed forward to the place where they had heard the Saxons were massed. Count Theodoric, a kinsman of the king, hastened to join them in Saxony with all the forces he could collect hurriedly in Ripuaria after news reached him of the Saxon revolt... Then they all pushed forward to a mountain called Suntal. The camp of the Saxons lay on the northern side of this mountain. In this place Theodoric pitched his camp, while the leaders of the East Franks crossed the Weser and encamped on the river bank, to the end that they might easily join the forces of Theodoric and so surround the mountain. Then did the leaders of the East Franks take counsel together: for they feared that the glory of victory might be given to Theodoric, if they had him with them in this battle. So they decided to attack the Saxons without him. They accordingly armed themselves, and each man rushed forward with his utmost speed, as fast as his horse could carry him, as if they were pursuing and plundering a fleeing foe rather than attacking an enemy drawn up in line of battle. But the Saxons stood before their camp ready to meet the onslaught; and because the attack was ill planned it was ill fought. When they gave battle the Franks were surrounded by the Saxons and almost all of them were slain. Those who made good their escape fled for refuge, not to the camp whence they had gone forth, but to the camp of Theodoric, which was on the other side of the mountain. The Frankish loss was greater than mere numbers, for two of the ambassadors, Adalgis and Geilo, were killed, also four counts, and twenty other noble and distinguished men, together with those who followed them, because they would rather die with them than live after them. When the king heard of this disaster he decided not to delay, but made haste to gather an army, and marched into Saxony. There he called to his presence the chiefs of the Saxons, and inquired who had induced the people to rebel. They all declared that Widukind was the author of the treason, but said that they could not produce him because after the deed was done he had fled to the Northmen. aner\ /jan.2013 Side 19

21 Kildemateriale 2: Wikipedia/Familien Widukind Van Saksen fortsat But the others who had carried out his will and committed the crime they delivered up to the king to the number of four thousand and five hundred; and by the king's command they were all beheaded in one day upon the river Aller in the place called Verden. When he had wreaked vengeance after this fashion, the king withdrew to the town of Diedenhofen for winter quarters, and there he celebrated the Nativity of our Lord and Easter as he was wont to do. Source: Robinson, James H., ed. Readings in European History. Vol. I. Boston & New York: Ginn & Co., Appears in Einhard; Carolingian; Charlemagne. BORNESTERA'S BIJDRAGE: Gwidekijn of Widukind van Saksen (Tsja, beetjedwars 18 apr :33 (CEST)). Widukind was de aanvoerder van de Saksen in de oorlog tegen Karel de Grote. Om zijn eigen edelen bijeen te houden wilde Karel graag de strijd aanbinden met de heidense Saksen. Zo vochten de edelen tenminste samen tegen een vijand buiten het rijk en konden ze onderling geen oorlog voeren. Karel de Grote werd ontzettend populair door zijn oorlog tegen de Saksen. Zijn edelen kregen prachtige landerijen in het land van de Saksen en de Kerk mocht overal kloosters stichten. Maar het heeft Karel wel de nodige moeite gekost: twintig jaar heeft de strijd geduurd en al die tijd was Widukind Karel telkens weer te slim af. Uiteindelijk, na een vreselijk bloedbad in Verden (782) waarbij meer dan 4000 Saksen op bevel van Karel werden vermoord, keerde het tij en in 785 liet Widukind zich dopen. Tot zijn dood leefde hij als Saksisch edelman op zijn eigen goederen en zijn nakomelingen zijn opgegaan in de Duitse adel. Omdat hij uiteindelijk christen werd, is ook Widukind in de middeleeuwen als held blijven voortleven. Er was een bekend verhaal aan hem gewijd (Gwidekijn van Sassen), dat helaas verloren is gegaan. Slechts vier bladen hebben de eeuwen overleefd. Daarop kunnen we een verslag lezen van het beleg van een Saksische stad door Roeland en Elegast. De heer van die stad was de reus Fledrik, die ook in deel 1 en 2 van de Razende Roelandreeks voorkomt. Het bloedbad van Verden (Staat niet veel in en zeker niets nieuws, beetjedwars 18 apr :49 (CEST)) in 782, waarbij 4500 Saksische edelen na een zoveelste opstand ter dood gebracht werden. Na deze slachting, en zelfs na de volledige overgave van de Friezen en de doop van hun hertog Widukind in 785, bleven zij heldhaftig verzet bieden. Pas in 803 kwam er definitief een einde aan de terreur slachtoffers??? (Sorry hoor, dit ga ik echt niet lezen. Verden staat er niet eens in. Wel kwantum-metafysica. ECHT niet, dit weiger ik, beetjedwars 18 apr :49 (CEST)) Ragnar Storyteller is a 70+ retired math professor and electronics engineer. Has been studying runes, astrology, quantum physics and meta physics for over 30 years. aner\ /jan.2013 Side 20

22 Kildemateriale 2: Wikipedia/Familien Widukind Van Saksen fortsat Ik heb even geen controle gedaan op de bronnen, dit is even snel zoeken. Het is volledig onduidelijk wie de slachtoffers waren, 4000 of 4500, gijzelaars of edelen (zoveel??) Heidens of Arianisch? Mijn Wiki-tijd zit er weer op, succes Bornestera 28 feb :42 (CET). Engern, Engria eller Angria var en historisk region i Nordtyskland. Sammen med Westfalen og Ostfalen var Engern én af de tre store provinser i stammehertugdømmet Sachsen. Det tidligere Engern er i dag delt mellem og Bremen, Niedersachsen, mens mindre dele tilhører Nordrhein-Westfalen og Hessen. Desuden hører en meget lille del under Hamborg. Det historiske Engern lå omkring floden Weser og havde Minden som hovedby. aner\ /jan.2013 Side 21

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