1 1 Is there a supernatural dimension, a world beyond the one we know? Is there life after death? Do angels exist? Can our dreams contain messages from Heaven? Can we tap into ancient secrets of the supernatural? Are healing miracles real? Sid Roth has spent over 35 years researching the strange world of the supernatural. Join Sid for this edition of It s Supernatural. SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it s naturally supernatural. All of us have prayed and sometimes felt, God, I don t think my prayers getting beyond the ceiling. I m praying. I m moaning. I m groaning. I m doing everything I know to do and my prayers aren t getting through. Well my friend has a revelation from God that the devil is a legalist But he has found the game changer where you win every time. I want him to teach you this revelation You know Robert, I am so excited to release this revelation to our audience throughout the world. This is a major game changer for people. But I want to find out a little bit more about you. Your church has got signs and wonders, and a tangible cloud comes in. Tell me about that. ROBERT: Yes. I travel now full time. But I raised up and led this church for 15 years. What happened was one Sunday morning I m up preaching and suddenly in a 1500-seat auditorium, I cannot see the back wall because there s smoke in the room. I mean, I literally physically seeing the smoke. And I m thinking in my head, it s like February in Texas, someone left the door open. SID: Right. ROBERT: And someone is burning leaves outside and smoke as drifted in. I mean, that s what I m thinking because you don t expect to see smoke. And suddenly I realize I didn t smell smoke, and that s when I realized this is the Glory of God. The Glory of God has come in this room. And from that point on it would come in as smoke. It would come in as a cloud and you can feel upon you. Sometimes when it s like a mist you could feel it on your skin, just tremendous things happening as we were just in the presence of the Lord. SID: Now Robert, you found a legal secret to answered prayer. What is that? ROBERT: I found out that everything is legal in the spirit realm. That s why, for instance, when Jesus died on the cross it s the greatest legal transaction of history. And when he said, It is finished, he met ever legal mandate is now met. That s what he did on the cross. So we take that legal mandate and execute it into place. In other words, a verdict has no power unless it s executed into place. This is why a judge can render a verdict, but if there is no officer of the court to execute it into place it doesn t accomplish anything. We are the officers of the court are anointed, deputized, authorized by the Holy Spirit to take what Jesus did on the cross and execute it into place until there is a practical function connected to what he did. SID: You talk about that our big mistake is we try to execute in the battlefield. SID: Rather than the courts of Heaven. And you believe that s like a real court.
2 2 ROBERT: Absolutely. Daniel 7 in Verse 10, the Bible says, that the throne of God, and describing what Daniel saw, John saw in the Book of Revelation, Ezekiel saw, Isaiah saw, and the Bible calls that the court. It says, And the court was seated and the books were open. And books are full of the destinies of people all the way up to nations. So what is in the books, it takes courtroom activity to get it into reality on the earth. Every person in this room and on the planet has a book in Heaven, according to Psalm 139:16. We have to know how to step into the courts of Heaven and deal with every legal thing the enemy is using to stop us from getting the destiny God ordained us. SID: So can the devil, who goes after those little foxes, if you will. ROBERT: Yes. SID: Those legal things, if he has that, that can literally block your prayers being answered. ROBERT: Yes. SID: Your healing, your financial provision, your peace. ROBERT: Absolutely. SID: Your family being coming into the Kingdom. This is important stuff. ROBERT: Absolutely. When Jesus, Jesus put prayer in three dimensions. In Luke 11 and Luke 18, he talked of approaching God as Father, approaching God as friend, but then approaching God as judge. And so, and that s the judicial dimension. We understand going before God as Father and as friend, but we don t really know a whole lot about coming before him as judge into the judicial systems of Heaven. Because whenever he talked about the unjust judge, he was obviously not saying God is an unjust judge. His point was if this widow could get a verdict from an unjust judge, how much more can we come before God the judge of all the earth, the righteous judge, and see God render verdicts on our behalf. SID: When you say we go before the Court of Heaven, do you really mean that s where we go? ROBERT: Yes. The Bible says we re seated together with him in heavenly places. And then when you read Hebrews, Chapter 12, it says, We have come to Zion, the city of the Living God. And then it talks about the judge, the mediator of the new covenant, the blood when it speaks of the things of the spirits of just men. Those are all voices that are in the courts of Heaven, that are speaking that we come into agreement with. So when the Bible says that we seated together with him, Hebrews 12:22-24 actually explains somewhat what we have come to in that place of being seated. And that from that position we have tremendous authority to present our petitions, which are legal issues before the courts of Heaven and see God render a verdict to have them done on the earth. See, when I come into the courts of Heaven, I ll put it this way, Everything is naked and open with the one with whom we have to do, it says in Hebrews 4:13. But the point is, is that when I cannot fake the spirit realm out, the spirit realm knows all things. I mean, the demons knew who had authority and who didn t have authority. And so we have to come in, in a realm of holiness, repenting, but actually understanding that the grace of God doesn t give us license to sin. It
3 3 empowers us to live above sin so that we can take our rightful position in the courts of Heaven and see God s will done. SID: Now that s a big difference. That was a mouthful. I hope you heard what he said. But this is an idea that God wants exposed right now for what is about ready to happen on Planet Earth. It s not the worse time on Planet Earth. SID: It s the best time on Planet Earth. ROBERT: Amen. SID: And that s why God wants you to understand this revelation. I m supposed to be a detective of the supernatural. I m curious. I want to find out. When we come back I want to find out how God showed you this revelation and how the first time you used it what happened. Would you like to find that out? We ll be right back. Okay. We'll be right back to It's Supernatural. [commercial] We now return to It's Supernatural. SID: Robert, when we re trying to advance the Kingdom of Heaven or we re trying to do the destiny that God has put on our life, why is there such a backlash? What allows it? ROBERT: There s two things that allow backlash, because realizing everything is legal in the spirit realm. See, the devil cannot do what he wants to do, just do it. In 1 Peter 5:8, the Bible says, He is the, the devil, our adversary who goes about seeking who he may devour. He can t just devour at will. The word adversary is the Greek word, anti-dikos, which means one who brings a lawsuit. That s what the word means. SID: Yes. ROBERT: And it comes from two words: anti and dikos. Anti means against, dikos means rights. So the purpose of the lawsuit is to deny us what is rightfully ours. See, people wonder why am I not getting what the Bible says I m supposed to have, everything Jesus bought for me, is because the devil has a case against us in the courts of Heaven. And so when we rush to battle and don t understand I have to go to the courtroom first to get legal things in place, when I rush to battle, before I deal with the legal issues that the enemy is using to resist me with, he s going to backlash against us. He has a legal right to.
4 4 SID: Okay. Let s talk about the first time you went to the Court of Heaven. And by the way, you were talking about the unjust judge and you were telling me the interesting thing is the woman didn t go to the devil. She went to the judge. Explain that. When you read, see, first of all, when you study Jesus teaching on prayer, he never pictured prayer on a battlefield. That shocks people. We are so taught it s on the battlefield. He never puts prayer on a battlefield, but he did put it in a courtroom. Because we re in a conflict, but there s a difference of the conflict of a battlefield the conflict of a courtroom. So when the widow went before the unjust judge, she never addressed her adversary. She didn t yell, scream, bind, loose. She didn t do any of that. She actually asked the judge for a verdict that would render her adversary, her anti-dikos, same word there, that would render him unable legally to operate against her. And once that is in place now we have the right to stand up and rebuke him, and he will have to flee. It s really what James 4 said: Submit yourself to God then resist the devil. He ll flee. SID: So we get the order wrong. SID: Okay. You talked about something that we could talk the whole show about and that s because most people aren t even aware of it. The books that have our entire life in Heaven and it s not just for the people that are household words that you see their names are on television. It s for everyone. SID: There are books, every one of us, which has our destiny in it, and that s what we re contending for. ROBERT: That s exactly right. Psalms 139:16 says, All my substance yet unformed. I believe that s our DNA. It s what makes me who I am, my interests, my gifts, my likes, my dislikes. We all have different ones. God made us different. And then he says, And my days yet unfashioned. So before I ever lived any of them, it says they were written in a book in Heaven. SID: And the devil is trying to detour us from that destiny. SID: God wants us to fulfill that destiny and it s all found out legally by going to the Court of Heaven. Just one quick thing. Luke 22:31, this will blow us away, it says that Jesus said to Peter, Simon, Simon, Satan has a desire to have you that he may sift you. The word desire, he demanded you be put on trial. So Satan had an awareness of what Peter s destiny and his strategy to stop him from getting what was in his book was to take him to court and say he s disqualified because of these issues in his life. But Jesus said, I went to court for you. I ve stood for you and you re going to get the destiny God ordained for you.
5 5 SID: In other words, Jesus is our advocate. ROBERT: Yes. Yes. SID: Okay. Your son. ROBERT: Yes. SID: You had a serious problem with your son and this is where you first understood the whole going to the Courtroom of Heaven rather than fighting in the battlefield, having it settled before they fight. SID: That s wonderful. So tell me step by step how this happened. ROBERT: Well what happened was my son Adam went through a very, very serious place in his life. He went through a divorce, is what he went through. It devastated him. His wife decided she didn t want to be married or be in the ministry, or anything. So for two years he was in a depression and I couldn t get him out. I tried to encourage him. I tried to speak vision into him, everything. He just felt like he was worthless, useless, and that s not Adam by personality. He s a very upbeat person. Adam: Dad, it s over. My life is over. God s not there for me. ROBERT: What happened was I bound, I loosed, I cried, I whispered, I shouted, I yelled. I did everything I knew to do in prayer. One day I just started seeing this about the courts of Heaven. I went to prayer and the Lord said to me, Bring Adam to my courts. I heard him as clear as a bell. SID: I ll tell you what. Hold that thought. What you re about to understand works in every arena of your life. And because my guest is a teacher, a God ordained teacher, he makes it so clear, line upon line, it s not complex. It s so clear that you need the devil to get confused. We re going to get it totally clear when we come back. Don t go away. We'll be right back to It's Supernatural. [commercial] We now return to It's Supernatural. SID: So as a father you must be devastated because your son was in such deep depression. Everything you knew, it wasn t working until you heard a word from Heaven.
6 6 ROBERT: I was watching my son give up on what he had been made for, and he knew he had been made for, because he felt everything he had failed. So the Lord said, Bring him to my courts. And I began to understand a little bit just enough to start. And so I began to repent for Adam because he was in no place to deal with this. I repented. See, I tell people intercessors do for others what they can t do for themselves until they can. SID: But you also needed authority to do it as his father, you did it. ROBERT: I was his father. That s right. That s exactly right. And so I began to repent for him, and I repented for any failures he had as a father, as a husband. I repented for him believing the lie of the enemy. I repented anything I felt, anything I understood, anything I thought, anything I imagined, I repented. It took me about five minutes. And then I heard the Lord say something really powerful and significant. He said, Now you repent of the things you have said negatively about him to his mother, my wife. He said, Because the accuser is taking your words and saying even his own father says this about him. Now I never said anything to Adam, but I had said some things to his mother. I don t understand why you did this, did this. I don t understand why he won t stand up. I don t understand why he won t shake free from this. And I just spoke negative things. SID: And that was binding him. ROBERT: And that was binding him. My words were being used by the accuser because as his father, the accuser could take my words and say, his father, this is the testimony of his words concerning him. And so I repented. Although now I m repenting with tears. As soon as I got that done, it took about five minutes, the Lord said to me, Now I want you to prophesy his destiny. Adam is nowhere. And so I started off, I said, Lord, I declare according to your word how beautiful up on the mountain are the feet of those that bring good news. Adam will carry the Gospel of Jesus Christ. He will walk upon the high places. And then suddenly the Spirit of the Lord said, Now rebuke the spirit of depression. You see, what I didn t realize I had done, I had dealt with every legal thing so that now I could righteously and legally attack the devil. So then I said, Satan, I rebuke you. And I still remember. I said, according to Ephesians, Chapter 5, I say, Awake thou that sleeps and Christ will give you life. I rebuke you, you spirit of depression and I command you to leave my son now in Jesus name. It took about 15 minutes to do that after two years of praying. And I got up and I thought, that was really different. One and a half weeks later, my phone rings and I look at it says Adam. And I punch it, and I say, Hey Adam. He says, Hey Dad, verbatim, Can I talk to you? And I said, Sure. And he said, I don t know what happened but a week and a half ago suddenly all the depression left. SID: Wow. Isn t that great? ROBERT: And I am now ready to do God s will. Adam is now pastoring his own church as a senior full time pastor, taking the church and has probably seen at least 300 percent growth in the last nine months, just the gift of God working through him, having tremendous success. But it s all traced back to dealing in the Courts of Heaven. And this is what I tell people, what I have not been able to do in two years on the battlefield, I accomplished in 15 minutes in the courtroom.
7 7 SID: You can do something better than anyone else. It s all written in the book. And some of you have missed your destiny, and some of you have lost your destiny. But as long as you are alive you can achieve that destiny and you re not going to lose a step. Would you, I don t, can you pray for people that say, I think I ve lost my destiny. ROBERT: Absolutely. Absolutely. SID: Would you pray for them right now. ROBERT: Absolutely. So Lord, even as we just are here, we just want to thank you that you re our father, you re our friend but you re also judge. And we just want to come before the courts of Heaven by faith, and we want to ask, Lord, that verdicts would be rendered. You created each person with a book, with a destiny from Heaven. Lord, I want to ask that every legal issue that s being used against person, any family line that, Lord, that legal issue would be removed. So what I want you to do is just say this: Lord, in Jesus name. SID: Lord, in Jesus name. ROBERT: I repent. SID: I repent. ROBERT: For any sin. SID: For any sin. ROBERT: Transgressions. SID: Transgressions. ROBERT: Or inequity. SID: Or inequity. ROBERT: I claim Colossians 2:14. Anything against me. SID: Anything against me. ROBERT: Any accusation. SID: Any accusation. ROBERT: Anything that s contrary to me. SID: Anything that s contrary to me.
8 8 ROBERT: You took it out of the way. SID: You took it out of the way. ROBERT: And nailed it to your cross. SID: And nailed it to your cross. ROBERT: Lord, that accusation is removed. SID: Lord, that accusation is removed. ROBERT: By the blood of Jesus. SID: By the blood of Jesus. ROBERT: And Lord, we grant you as judge. SID: And Lord, we grant you as judge. ROBERT: The legal right. Sid : The legal right. ROBERT: To render a verdict. SID: To render a verdict. ROBERT: That I can have the destiny. SID: That I can have the destiny. ROBERT: That was written in the books about me. SID: That was written about me. ROBERT: In Jesus name. Amen. SID: In Jesus name. Amen. I m going to tell you something. You ve been wondering for a long time why your prayers haven t been getting through. You ve been wondering for a long time why there s this blockage. It s about ready to be removed. You are about ready to walk into your destiny, and what a great time. We re coming into the greatest move of God s spirit in the history of mankind. And God created you to enter this move. He wants you free. He wants you whole. He wants you sold out to him. He wants you to make him Lord. Say, Jesus, I repent of my sins. Be my Lord. We'll be right back to It's Supernatural.
9 9 [commercial] SID: Next week on It s Supernatural. I have seen my guest Bill Johnson stand in a front of a group of people and I have seen so many miracles erupt. But Bill has told me, that the greatest revelation he has ever been given. For miracles. For you to fulfill your destiny. He is ready to reveal right now and I promise you, if you grab hold of this, it will be the most important revelation for all the promises of God in your life.