E: I don't know. My mom said that you told her like four people told you that I had sex with Steven.

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1 363 TYPE OF ACTIVITY: Interview of DATE OF ACTIVITY: REPORTING OFFICER: Inv. Wendy Baldwin INV. BALDWIN: Well I'm just going to let you start talking, all right. What do you want to tell me? E: I don't know. My mom said that you told her like four people told you that I had sex with Steven. INV. BALDWIN: Um hm. E: No. I can tell you one thing that, yeah, he forced me to have sex with him. INV. BALDWIN: Okav. E: And I didn't want to. INV. BALDWIN: Okav. : And he was like well, he would tell me things like, if you don't do this, I'm gonna hurt you; if you don't do this, I'm gonna set your house on fire or that I might hurt your dad; and if you don't do this that I was gonna INV. BALDWIN: What kinda, what kinda things did he mean by if you don't do this? Can you give me for an example? Like you said if you don't do this, I'm gonna set your house on fire, do you remember what that was exactly you had to do or he would : I think it was one time that he wanted me to meet him in Manitowoc. INV. BALDWIN: Okav : And I was like, I can't, I got, I'm staying home tonight. He was like, well meet me in Manitowoc. Tell your dad that you have to do something, you have to go to the store. I was like I was just at the store the other day. And he goes, well tell them that you need to get something at Wal-Mart. I was like okay, whatever, 'cause then he would say he told me that if I didn't meet him there that he was gonna hurt me. I was like you can't hurt me. INV. BALDWN: How, how would he, did he threaten how he would hurt you or

2 364 : No, he would just say that he would hurl me. INV. BALDWIN: Would hurt you. He said he would hurt my dad or he would hurt my mom. And I didn't want, I didn't want them to get hurt. INV. BALDWIN: Right. Right. : And then there was a couple of times that he told us that, or told me, that if I didn't do something that he wanted me to do that he would set our house on fire and that we would have nothing. And then INV. BALDWIN: Did you believe him? INV. BALDWIN: Or were you scared of him? : 'Cause he's pretty scary. INV. BALDWIN : I _ (dog barking) didn't like him. INV. BALDWIN: Yeah, I can see why. And are you still scared of him to this day? : Oh veah. INV. BALDWIN : Especially when I heard he was going to get out. I was like dad I'm not going nowhere by myself. INV. BALDWIN: I don't, I don't blame you. : I even told my managers that I won't work alone if I knew he was out. Like now they have me working with somebody because I'm afraid that he would get out and that no one would tell me. INV. BALDWN: Um hm.

3 365 : So INV. BALDWIN: When did this all start Was it right after he got out of prison? : No. INV. BALDWIN: No. can. mavbe a timeframe? : I would say probably INV. BALDWIN: Was it last year? Or the year before? : About, around like I was 17. INV. BALDWN: Okay. Anything when you were 16? : No. The only thing that he would do is like INV. BALDWIN: Was he starting to come on to you then when you were still around 16? : Kind of. I got freaked out because of him. Like every time I would sleep by my Aunt Barbara's house he would always be over there INV. BALDWIN: Um hm. : I'm like" I came to see Aunt Barbara. INV. BALDWIN Risht. : And he would be over there and he would just like play fight with me and I was like, knock it off and then he would just start, he would always be around, all the time, and that's what freaked me out the most, and then I started realizing well INV. BALDWIN: Does : Is he trying to do something? Or INV. BALDWIN: Right, and is that, um, because remember when we talked when you were at high school, okay, um, you made a couple of references to your Aunt Barb's house, um, that there was, he was trying to force himself on you, he would try to go underneath, you know he was having contact with your skin, like underneath your bra and stuff, is that when that was happening? Or was that after, or, both, I mean did it happen before

4 CALUMET COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTM ENT 366 : He tried putting INV. BALDWIN: he had sex with you and after? Or INV. BALDWIN: Okay. So he was, he was stafiing to come onto you prior to him having sex with you. : I don't know but INV. BALDWIN: Like forcine himself on vou" that kinda stuff. INV. BALDWIN: Okav. Kind of : And, and then he would like, err then he forced me to have sex. He like unbuttoned my pants and I would pull them back up. I'm like what are you doing? And he goes, well this is the way it's supposed to be. I'm like, no it's not. I said you're 42 years old and blah blah blah and he was sitting there, that doesn't matter, age doesn't matter. Does age matter any other time? I was like, yeah. And he goes well your not technically called my or your not technically my niece. I was like, by papers yes I am. INV. BALDWIN: Um hm. : I said just because I am not blood related doesn't mean. Like he wouldn't consider him my uncle. He said I'm not your uncle. And then he got my Aunt Barbara to say a bunch of stuff like how, like her boys sometimes kid around with it because I'm so close to them, her boys, that I would call them like my best friend and my cousins INV. BALDWIN: Um hm : And then they used to kid around and say well you're not our cousin. I was like oh yes, eff we are and then they're like, oh I'm just kidding. INV. BALDWIN: Okay. Okay. Um, where did some of this other stuff happen? Where, how many, how many times did he force sex on you : Just once.

5 367 INV. BALDWIN: Just once. Where was that at? : 'Cause that's when I stay, I stayed away then. INV. BALDWIN: Okav. When. where was that? : I think by my Aunt Barbara's house. I'm pretty sure it was by my Aunt Barbara's house. INV. BALDWIN: You're prettv sure it was : Yeah INV. BALDWIN: was there. Was it like down in the basement? Or in the bedroom? Or In INV. BALDWIN: the living room? Or do you remember? I know you don't like talking about this and I don't like bringing it back up for you okay, I don't. It's, it's hurlful stuff. Yeah, my mom said it would be better if I would talk to you instead of keeping it in my head, cause INV. BALDWIN: It, it is. In the long run way of coping and dealing with it. Okay? And moving on. All right. And, and I'm, I'm not going to make any promises to you but I am going to try and protect you as much as I can. Okay? Uh hm. it's going to be better. Okay? This is one INV. BALDWN: I'm going to go out on a limb and keep this as quiet as it can be. Okay? And protect you. Okay? I don't want you to be hurt anyrnore by this than you already were. Okay. Um, can you, can you try and remember the best that you can for sure, was it at your Aunt Barb's house? Yeah, but no one was there though. INV. BALDWIN: No one. Why were you there at that particular time? Do you remember Because I was going there to meet my Aunt Barbara there but my Aunt Barbara didn't show up right at the time that she was going to be.

6 05-01s INV. BALDWIN: Okay. Was that : Because I was going to go to town with her and get groceries and stuff. INV. BALDWIN: Okay. Was that preplanned by Steve? Did he know that she wasn't going to be there? Or : I don't know. I just, I went there and he must have, he probably seen my car because it wasn't when he, he didn't get along with my family too well. INV. BALDWIN: Um hm : And that's when he lived in the trailer house or INV. BALDWIN: Okav know. : I think it was the trailer house or his ice shanty, one of the two, I don't INV. BALDWIN: Okay. Do you remember when it was? What time of year? Summer? Fall? Do you remember? Excuse me do you, was it a couple of vears ago? : I think it was in the summer. INV. BALDWIN: Okay. So it wasn't last summer? It was the summer before? So maybe in '03? birthday. : It was like, I would say probably three or four months after my l Tth INV. BALDWIN: Okav. And vou. : f ao.r', know. INV. BALDWIN: and your birthday's June, right? INV. BALDWIN: June l71h? : 14'h.

7 Complaint No, 369 INV. BALDWIN: 14th" of '87. : Yup. INV. BALDWIN: Right, okay. So this maybe happened in July or August : Yup. INV. BALDWIN: of, you're 18 now, so it was in '03. Right? : '03, that would be three years ago. Wouldn't it be? Oh no I just turned INV. BALDWIN: You just turned 18 this year : Right. INV. BALDWIN: in '04? Yeah, so it would have been '03 you turned 17. So, okay, I'm just trying to get a timeframe here of what year we're looking at. Okay. Um, as hard as it's gonna be can you kinda described what happened that day, what you were doing, you said you were going over by your Aunt Barb to go shopping with her INV. BALDWIN: Okay, what, what happened after that, you came inside, she wasn't there, you were just INV. BALDWIN: kinda hanging out there waiting for her : Yeah, usually the boys are there and they weren't so I was sittin' on the couch watching TV and my Uncle Steven came through the front door. INV. BALDWIN: Um hum : They have that deck in the front door INV. BALDWIN: Um hm Barbara. : And he says what are you doing here? I was like, I'm waiting for Aunt

8 370 INV. BALDWIN: Um hm : And then he kinda like got closer and closer to me and before this he would stick his hands up my shirt and I would just pull 'em away INV. BALDWIN: Risht. : And then he would be like, well he said something about, something about the bedroom. I was like I don't want to go in the boys's room 'cause, I don't know, boys stink. INV. BALDWIN (laughing) Especially at that age they do. : Yes. INV. BALDWIN: Yah, sweaty, stinky. Um, do you remember what time of day it was? : Not, it was INV. BALDWIN: Afternoon mavbe INV. BALDWIN: Okav. like around the time that she would set home from work : Because she told me to meet her bv her house INV. BALDWIN: Okay. INV. BALDWIN: Okav. That she would be home at like whenever time she sot home from work : I think it was like fiveish INV. BALDWIN: Okay. : And, I don't know, he just pushed me down on the bed and he held my arms down and I said you can't overpower me because you get me mad, I'll overpower you. INV. BALDWIN: What, what bed did he push you down on? : One of those bunk beds we have

9 37t INV. BALDWIN: In the bov's room? INV. BALDWN: Okay. And then what happened? : He just started, like, he like took both my hands and put 'em like this INV. BALDWIN: Okay. obviously : So I couldn't move, because he was like pushing on 'em and he has INV. BALDWIN: Risht : bigger hands than me INV. BALDWIN: Risht : and he just start like pulling my pants off me and I tried to wiggle to get them back up and I couldn't because he just kept putting more pressure on my hands and every time I would move up, he would grab 'em with both hands and move, err, hold 'em like this again and then as soon as I would go back up, he would push harder INV. BALDWIN: Okay : And, ah, and then it just hurt my arrns so Iiust tried wiggling out of it and I couldn't get out of it. INV. BALDWIN: What were you telling him? : I told him to stop because he doesn't belong doing this and he was just in prison for that, that he didn't do, so why would he try doing something dumb like that INV. BALDWIN: Did that make him more mad? When you told him that? : He goes, aah, sort a, he just laughed. I was like it's not funny. I said let me go now. INV. BALDWIN: Um hm

10 372 : And he goes no it's meant to be, it's meant to be. And he goes I'm gonna maffy you some day. I was like no you're not. He goes when I get all my money, you'll see. I was like you won't be getting no money if you're gonna be like this. INV. BALDWIN: Risht. : He always bragged about his money, all the time. INV. BALDWN What happened after that? : I left. INV. BALDWIN: I mean did he, he obviously had sex with you. : Yeah, and I kept on telling him no and your just, when I would try to get up and pull away, he would spread my legs with his elbows. INV. BALDWIN: Um hum. So did he have. Okay. And then, and then what happened? So, did he just pull your pants off or did he completely take your shirt off too? or : No my shirt was still on. INV. BALDWN: just your pants? Okay, just your pants. INV. BALDWIN: Okay. Um, I know we're going to get technical words and it's, you know, kinda gross, but, and we and we have to talk about it. Okay? ljm, so when he, he pulled your pants down, pulled, he pulled your underwear down too and then he was just on top and he forced himself on you? Or, I mean, did he do oral sex on you? Or was it just, can you kinda describe what happened? : Well, first he would put his hand down my pants. INV. BALDWIN: Okav. : And he like touched my vagina. INV. BALDWN: Okay. : And I'm like get off me and I would pull his hand out from underneath it.

11 Complaint No, 373 INV. BALDWIN: Okav. : ena, uno then he like held my hands back down and he just, I don't know, it's, it's sick, I don't (starts crying) INV. BALDWIN: I know. I know. I'm sorry right. You know kiddo, it's going to be all : Okav INV. BALDWIN: : Uh huh? INV. BALDWIN: This is not fun stuff to talk about at all. Okay. You know what? I don't want to see him ever hurt you again. Okay. : The thing I hated the most was when I stayed away from him, he was sitting there and stared at me all the time. Like he would come into my work and INV. BALDWIN: How would he do that? : He would come in after, or like, at night when he knew I was working because I usually, during the summer I usually worked liked 5:00 to 10:00 closing Subway. INV. BALDWIN: Um hum. : And the only other girl that I worked with there is the one in the mart, and he would come over by me and say well I want a 12 inch blah, blah, blah, and I'm like, and then he would make this smart comment and stuff. I'm like if you're going to act like that, you can get out of the store. And he goes you can't kick me out of here. And I was like you want to make a bet? I can call the manager right now. And he goes well you wouldn't do that. I was like well I'11 call the police instead. And he goes well you wouldn't do that either because everyone in the family would hate you. INV. BALDWIN: What kinda stuff would he do that, did he make perverted comments to you? I mean all the time. INV. BALDWIN: Like, like what? Can you give me for an example?

12 s5 374 I can't even remember anymore because I tried blocking it all out. INV. BALDWIN: I know. Would he make a comments about having sex? : Sometimes yeah, until I just ignored him and he was like you're playing the ignoring game now. INV. BALDWIN: The one time that he forced sex on you with his penis? Did he? was it, did he penetrate you What's that mean? INV. BALDWIN: Did he have sexual intercourse, I mean was there, did he um, did his, was he in contact with you. I mean did he physically penetrate you with his penis. In your vagina? Yeah, because it hurt and I told him to get off me now because he's hurting me really bad. INV. BALDWIN: Did he stop. : No. INV. BALDWIN: Do you know if he ejaculated? : I don't know. INV. BALDWIN: You don't know if he did or not. Was he wearins a condom? remember. I don't know. He just held me down. That's all I can really actually INV. BALDWIN: But he felt. you felt him inside vou. risht? Uh huh. INV. BALDWIN: Okay. AU right. Okay, enough about that. I'm, (telephone ringing) telephone's for you. Um, there was, there was a year from probably, from when that happened till obviously last, this last fall, okay, and you said he would continue making threats and stuff against you. What kind of threats would he, would he continue with I'm going to hurt your family or

13 375 : No then he started like saying, well, because I was on the big kick, I hated all the stuff he did to me. INV. BALDWN: Risht. : And I would hate myself for it. INV. BALDWIN: Risht. : So-f *orrfa just be upstairs writing journals saying that I hate myself, I hate myself and I have one of these planners that, and I wrote all the bad stuff, that, I blacked, I blacked it all out now 'cause then he started forcing me against my mom and dad saying that they're bad. And I believed him, 'cause, I don't know, I used to hang out with him a lot thinking he wasn't a bad guy. I used to go ice fishing with him a lot with rny cousin Bobby too. INV. BALDWIN: Was that after that happened or before? : It was before that. INV. BALDWIN: Before, probably right, right after he got out ofjail. INV. BALDWIN okav. INV. BALDWIN: Um We went ice fishins and stuff. : And then he would just say, like tellme about, you meet me here and you meet me there and you meet me here INV. BALDWIN: Would you do that? : Because he said that he was going to go shopping and he doesn't know what to get or whatever for a house. INV. BALDWIN: Um hm So I was like okay, or whatever, I'll come with you. And then he started like, like you know how a uncle and niece should kiss good-bye. Well,

14 376 INV. BALDWIN: Risht. INV. BALDWIN: Risht. I don't kiss my uncles good-bye. And he would just come up to me and kiss me and I'm like what are you doing? I don't kiss my uncles good-bye and he goes well I kiss you good-bye. I was like no, I don't kiss nobody good-bye except for my ma and dad. INV. BALDWIN: Risht. hated me. And then he would say well, he would tell me how. like mv mom and dad INV. BALDWIN: You know that's not true. risht? Ah, now I do. But before I would believe him, because, I don't know why, I think it was because I was around him so much. INV. BALDWIN: Um hm. Your mom loves you a lot. I know. INV. BALDWIN: She would probably give up her own life for you. She really would. And this would tear them apart if they knew what he did to you. You know. And if you want to tell them, that's your choice. Okay? Because you are 18, and you know, I'm not gonna I told them some stuff. but INV. BALDWIN: I didn't sit down, I'm not going to sit down with your mom and dad and say now this is what she told, that's, that's not my place. Okay? Um, obviously a lot of stuff has happened since he was released from jail, from you know, the three years that he was out or so. Okay? And, um, I just, I wanta, kinda get that all out. You know what I mean? The threats that he made to you. I mean, when was, when was the last time that he threatened you? Was it right before all this happened last fall? Or, I mean was it ongoing, or has he kinda left you alone since he started seeing Jodi, or was he kinda still kinda after you? He kinda, he harassed me a lot when he started seeing Jodi, but like after, this is the second time she was in jail, right? The first time she was in jail for four months. INV. BALDWIN: Okav. that could be.

15 05-01s : That's when he starled leaving me alone. INV. BALDWIN: When she was in jail? : Actually, when I started dating Mike, when I started dating my cousin Bobby's Mike, em, my cousin Bobby's friend Mike. INV. BALDWIN: Okav. : Then he harassed me a lot. INV. BALDWIN: 'Cause you had a boyfriend? But then INV. BALDWIN: What kind, what kind of stuff would he do or say? : He would say, well like do you like hanging out with him more because, err, and not me. I was like, well yeah. INV. BALDWIN: He's my boyfriend, dah. And he was saying all this stuff like how I probably say a bunch of junk about my Uncle Steven to him. INV. BALDWIN: Okav. : Mike doesn't even like Steven. INV. BALDWIN: All risht. : And why would I talk about Steven anyr;vays? INV. BALDWIN: Right. You don't like him, he don't like him, why would you talk about him? Yeah. INV. BALDWIN: You know.

16 378 And then, like we broke up, and then two months later I went out with this guy named Seth, and that's when he started leaving me alone. INV. BALDWIN: Okay. And then from there on he left you alone? INV. BALDWN: He hasn't come on to you, he hasn't talked sexual to you, he hasn't made : Well a couple of times when I went by the yard to, he'll look at me and he'll just smile and he'll wink and I'm like okay, whatever, I'm leaving. INV. BALDWIN: Risht. : I'm like knock it off because I said you're a perverted guy and he goes, I'm not a pervert, blah, blah, blah, and INV. BALDWIN: Um hm he just laughed about it so I was like, dad I'm leaving. INV. BALDWIN: Did he ever throw that back in your face, that you guys had sex? Or, we did it once, we can do it again? INV. BALDWN: Okav. didn't. : And, and I would just tell him, well you know what. Did I want it? No I INV. BALDWIN: Were you afraid to tell anybody about that? INV. BALDWIN: I can see why, because he probably, all your family's going to hate you. They're not going to believe you. Right? : Um hm. INV. BALDWIN: Okav.

17 379 say. I know my ma and dad will believe me, because they believe everything I INV. BALDWIN: Well, you know what? I can tell that you're not pulling the wool over my eyes, Okay? The stuff that you're telling me I can tell that it's, it's happened. Okay. Because people that have been in your situation, it takes a long time, you know, to finally get that stuff out and when, when you do, it's still very painful. okay? And, um, like I said, I'm here to help you, however you want. Okay? Whether you want me to try and find a counselor, I'm sure you can do that on your own, if you want to, but I talked to my guidance teacher, too. INV. BALDWIN: Is it helping? I mean, were you able to talk about this? No, I don't talk about this. I usually, like I talk to my sister, Kayla, a lot, but I never told her any of this. INV. BALDWIN You know, sometimes it starts with one person, okay, and then it's easier to talk to another person. I talk to my cousin Stephanie a lot. INV. BALDWIN: Yeah, that's what your mom said. You're pretty close with her. while. She's very coolest. She's like my sister because I lived with her for a INV. BALDWIN: Well, I would strongly recommend you doing that. Okay? Because like I said once you tell one person, it's a little bit easier the second time. And then it gets easier to deal with. Okay? IJm, so, is there anything else that you can think of during that time that he was released from jail until last fall that something really bothered you, about what he said to you, something really hurt what he said to you or there was another sexual comment that you didn't tell me yet about, that you want to (dog barking) That's about it. Except for every once in a while he would just put his hand up in my shirt and my pants (dog barking) and then as soon as he started doing all of this junk, I was like forget this, he doesn't need to be my uncle if he was going to be this way. INV. BALDWIN: Risht.

18 0s able to. : So I, I still don't consider him my uncle. I don't think I would ever be INV. BALDWIN: Yeah, I don't, I don't blame you, I don't blame you one bit. Any of these times that he forced himself either _ (dog barking) having sex with you, or touching you, did you ever allow him to do that. I mean, did you ever say, did you ever want that? I mean you, I can tell obviously by how you are telling me, but I just want you to, I want to hear it from you. You've never consented to any of that? None of the touching, the groping, the, you know, fingers were they shouldn't be, the sexual act, none of that? That you consented to any of that, : Well INV. BALDWIN: I mean, like I said, it's obviously, I can tell that's not something you wanted. So, but I just want to clarify that. Okay? Um, anything else about him that kinda scares you? Um, you said you know he made comments that he was going to burn your house down, that he would hurt your dad. Did he ever tell you how he would hurt your dad? Or hurt your mom? Or : No, he just told me that he was going to hurl 'em, and I would ask him how, and was, he goes you'll find out. INV. BALDWIN Uh huh. : And I was like, whatever, and like I would stay here all the time 'cause thinking he would come, like every little noise scared the crap out of me. INV. BALDWIN: Yeah, thinking he was at the door, huh? : Yeah, and we had that little Welcome hanging sign there and every time the wind blew INV. BALDWN: It rattles : and I would be like INV. BALDWIN freaked out. INV. BALDWIN: Um hm. And, and was this after the incident in the summer that he would make these comments to you?

19 381 : It was like all the way along, like he would tell me if I didn't go with him somewhere, he would hurl me. Or he said my INV. BALDWIN: And would you go? : Yeah, 'cause I didn't want him to hurt me. INV. BALDWIN: Did he ever force sex on you those times when you went with him anywhere? : No. INV. BALDWIN: He would just do the groping and grabbing stuff? Uh huh. INV. BALDWIN: I'm sorry. My nose is running. It's gross. I'm sick. I'm very, very sick. (blows nose). Um, I just want to make sure I cover everything with you now today so I don't have to come back and keep bugging you, okay? Oh, I forgot to ask you this, or I forgot to ask you that, or can you be more detailed in this or that. So I'm, I'm trying to cover everything right away with you so I don't have to bug you again, okay? Um, anything else that you're leaving out that you're afraid to tell me? Did he ever physically hurt you? No, except for holding my hands down and I told him all the time not to do that because it hurt me all the time. INV. BALDWIN: Um hum. : Like even when we were just screwing around and we would all like play wrestle, he would hold my arms down. INV. BALDWIN: Um hum. : And I just got mad because he would not let me up, so I just forced him up. INV. BALDWIN: What happened with those pictures with that marker fight. Was that all innocent stuff or INV. BALDWIN That was a marker fight. (laughing)

20 382 That was after ice fishing. INV. BALDWN: Hello. Hang on for a second. (cell phone is vibrating) Hello, this is Wendy. AGENT WILSON: INV. BALDWIN: AGENT WILSON: INV. BALDWN: AGENT WILSON: INV. BALDWIN: Hey, looks like there's somebody turning in. What, what was this? It went by on the road. Okay, we're good. I don't know who this is. Sorry about that. Okay. (dial tone) I don't know what this is. Okay. I'm gonna run to the bathroom real quick. a red truck. INV. BALDWIN: Okay. All right. Great. I don't know what that was all about. I gotta run to the bathroom real quick. INV. BALDWIN: Okay. INV. BALDWIN: (tape resumes) You're concemed about or, you know, something that has happened between you guys, that you want to tell me about. No, except there is a couple of times that he told me that if I didn't, like when I was mad at myself, for not having enough strength to stop him, like he told me if, like he would kill himself by running into a pillar on I43, he told me that he would take me with him so that we can die together, because that's suppose, that's the way it's supposed to be. INV. BALDWIN: Was that trying to run you over or something like that. I don't know. It freaked me out thoush. INV. BALDWIN: How many times did he say that?

21 383 : Well, before when I told _ (dog barking) if you want to go and run into a pillar you'd better do it by yourself. INV. BALDWN: Risht. And he goes well I got my new truck and I'm going to take it, err, take it and tun into those pillars and kill himself, I was like, so do it, don't be mad at me for it. (laughing) If you want to talk stupid, do it then. INV. BALDWIN: All right. Well, : And then that's, then he signed like a bunch of titles all over by my Aunt Barbara and signed a title to, for my car loan, to me. I was like, I don't want it, so don't sign nothing over to me if you're going to act stupid. INV. BALDWIN: You pretty much, after you know, prior to, um, that incident, I'm just going to refer to it as that incident. Okay? I don't wanna, um, get you upset an)irnore, but prior, I'm just trying to figure out how this, this went for the last couple of years prior to that. He starled coming on to you, he would kinda grope and grab you and kiss you in a way that felt really gross to you, like an uncle shouldn't do. INV. BALDWIN: And then it just came to the point where you were home, you were at your Aunt Barb's house with him and that happened; and then after that you really got tumed off by him and didn't really want anything to do with him; and then the threats just continued. I mean, if you don't wanna, if you don't go shopping with me, I'm gonna burn your house down, or if you don't come over here, I'm gonna hurt your mom and dad. Okay. Did anything ever happen up in Crivitz when you guys were up there, did he ever do any of that stuff up there? In that cabin up there? Did anything ever happen there? INV. BALDWN: Um hm. : I was like INV. BALDWIN: That's disgusting. He told me once that he was gonna give me a kiss goodnight. myself. : um, I was old enough to not have a kiss goodnight, I can easily go to bed

22 384 INV. BALDWIN: Rieht. the cheek : And then, it was no kiss, I tell you that. Usually, a kiss goodnight is on INV. BALDWIN: Like on the cheek or something? Called pushing it on my mouth and forcing it open after I had my teeth clunged. It was, well you know you want it. I was like, uh uh, because I couldn't talk so I just pushed him way. INV. BALDWIN: Okay. : And then he was whatever, be like that then. And then he got kinda angry but still, he doesn't belong doing it, so INV. BALDWIN: When we were at school and I was talking to you about this, um, you said he would get really angry and kinda sulky and kinda sad or something when you would turn him away and then two days later he would be fine and normal again and he wouldn't do that kinda stuff, Was he like that a lot? Kinda off and on and like all the time. INV. BALDWIN : Like he acts like nothing even happened. INV. BALDWIN: (change tape) _ stop? quit when he had another woman in his life? Did it : Not really, he, like, did it more but then I would just tell him to knock it off, that he has Jodi, that he doesn't need to be acting stupid around me, and that he doesn't need to be doing that. INV, BALDWIN: Risht. : And he was like, well Jodi's nothing, Jodi's nothing, blah, blah, blah. And that's the reason why Jodi hated me. INV. BALDWIN: Because he would talk about you to her?

23 05-01s Bs INV. BALDWIN: Okay. I was like INV. BALDWN: Okay. Well that would make sense. And then, I don't know, I don't even know, for a little while me and Jodi got along. Like I would call her and my Uncle Steven didn't like that when I called her and talked to her. So he just got mad at her and hurt her. And I'm like, Jodi I can get you out of there. You can go to the DVC Center and she's like, well I can't, I can't. I was like, yes you can. INV. BALDWIN: Risht. I said my uncle works at the yard. I said all I have to do is go in the back way, pick you up and bring you to the DVC Center. And she's like, well, I don't want to do that 'cause he'll hurt me. I was like, no, you can't even get in that building. INV. BALDWIN: Rieht. Rieht. And she just, she dislikes me. I don't know why, INV. BALDWIN: Did um, did she ever confide in you and say that Steve would force sex on her or hurt her or hit her and stuff like that. Did she ever tell you that? INV. BALDWIN: Like. iust She told, or she told me a lot that he would hit her. And hurt her a lot. INV. BALDWIN Like punches or. Did you know that some of it was about you? Err, sometimes, yeah. 'Cause she was like well you are, you're our problem. I was like I didn't even do anything. INV. BALDWIN: Risht. I said I don't see why you would be mad at me and she goes, she goes well you're the only one that can make him cry. I said that's because he kn, knows it's true that he doesn't belong touching me.

24 386 INV. BALDWIN: Risht. INV. BALDWIN And that I am, what, 25 years younger than him. : Andda, uhhh, and it grosses everyone out. That's nasty. INV. BALDWIN: Um hm. She um, would she get hurt by him on a regular basis do you think? Or was it just from time to time? INV. BALDWIN: Or? I don't know : I think it was time to time. Well. ocause she is an alcoholic. INV. BALDWIN at her : She, every time he would drink, she would drink, my uncle would get mad INV. BALDWIN: Um hm. him hh and hit her and stuff. Like there is only one time I ever seen him hit, err, INV. BALDWIN: Him hit her? : him hit her INV. BALDWIN and that was up north when we were all sitting at the table playing cards and stuff and she was drinking vodka and stuff, and then we went, we went outside and my Uncle Steven was like, you don't need to be acting like this and like literally pulled her to the ground and picked her back up and I'm like come on INV. BALDWIN: Kinda shocked you, huh?

25 s 387 : Yeah, I was like, dad, why didn't you tell or say something or do anything and he goes because, elr, if I didn't let him be then he will have his arguments with me. Like, there is no tuming him back the other way, telling him that he can't do it, because he will get in your face and tell em, tell you, you he can do whatever he wants because he's not behind bars anymore and that he doesn't need to listen to anyone anymore because he did it for 18 years. I was like, still you need to have some rules. INV. BALDWIN: So he felt like he was kinda invincible when he got out ofjail INV. BALDWIN: and that he could do whatever he wanted to whoever he wanted and nobody was going to stop him. : Yup. INV. BALDWIN: And that : And that he said that all the time. INV. BALDWIN: He said it all the time? : All the time. INV. BALDWIN: Did that kinda scare you? INV. BALWIN : And I was like you can't do everything you want INV. BALDWIN: Um hm 'Cause you need, you need ta INV. BALDWIN: Obviously there's laws, right? INV. BALDWIN: Right. Well, you've been very good about this all and I really appreciate it. Okay? And like I said, I'm going to do the best that I can that this doesn't go on the new.

26 388 Okay? And your name is going to be protected and we are going to do what we can. Okay? Because you went through a lot and I don't want you to go through anyrnore, and I don't wanna, but I don't want to promise you something and then I'm going back on my word and you are mad at me and your mom is mad at me and your dad. Okay? I am going to do the best that I can to protect you. Okay? But telling me this stuff is gonna help us so that your Uncle Steve is never going to get out ofjail. : I don't want him INV. BALDWIN: At least out on bond : My dad doesn't even want to get him out. My dad hates the idea. He doesn't want to give up his life for INV. BALDWN: Him? : someone like that. INV. BALDWIN So, I'm going to do the best I can. Okay, leave you my card if you promise not to rip it up. I'm going to : No, I, I got the one my ma gave me. INV. BALDWIN: Okay. Do you want me to write my cell phone number on the back of that 'cause you probably don't have that anymore, do you? : No, I was cleaning out my purse the other day and I was like, I don't need this, I already talked to um. My mom's like, keep it anyways. I'm like, no. INV. BALDWIN: Well, I can, I can write my phone number on the back, my cell phone, because I carry this with me Okay, and if you ever need to get a hold of me, you can call me anytime, day, night, whatever, okay? IJm, now I don't, you know, I, I think we pretty much covered what we needed to as far as that is concerned, okay? Um, but do you have anything else to offer as far as the case at hand right now, what's going on with your Uncle Steve right now. Do you have anything to offer about that? Do you have any thoughts or ideas or anything like that about that? : No idea. I don't see how he could ever do somethins like this. I don't see how he could find the time. INV. BALDWIN: Does it surprise you after what you went through and what Jodi's went through, that he would do this to somebody else?

27 389 Nope. INV. BALDWIN: It doesn't surprise you? : Nope. As soon as I heard about it, I probably thought, or at first I thought he could have been set up but then I realized that, I was like, you know, pretty sure he did it. INV. BALDWIN: Okav. : And everyone said that there is probably two people. Well to tell you the truth, my Uncle Steven is strong enough to hold down two people at once. INV. BALDWIN: Well, I really appreciate your time. Okay, and I guess I'11 do whatever I can to help you. Okay? From here on out, whether it be two weeks from now, or two days or two months, or two years, okay, I'm not going anywhere and if you're mom's got questions, she can give me a call too. I'm probably going to go home sick this afternoon just because I don't feel that good, but I'll probably be in the office tomorrow, if not Sunday, for sure. Okay. Um Inv. Wendy Baldwin Calumet Co. Sheriff s Dept. wb,rbdg