The Power of Community Guest: Rick Warren, DMin

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1 The Power of Community Guest: Rick Warren, DMin All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed in whole or part without express written permission. The following presentation is for informational purposes only and is not intended to diagnose, treat, or cure your condition or not to be a substitute for advice from your physician or other healthcare professional. Dr. Hyman: Hey, everybody, it s Dr. Mark Hyman. Welcome back to The Fat Summit Part 2 where we separate even more fat from fiction. I m here with my good friend, an amazing man, Rick Warren, who is the pastor of Saddleback Church in Southern California. And Rick is one of the most extraordinary humans I ve ever met. We met many years ago when he came to our office to try to lose weight. And we started talking about how to get his congregation healthy. And I had this a- ha moment where I was like, Wow! Why don t we use the small groups in your church to help put a healthy living program in there? And we did it. And it was amazing, successful. We re going to end up talking about it. But Rick also is really passionate about what he calls the Five Goliaths, which is just an amazing life mission, dealing with spiritual emptiness, egocentric leadership we know what that s about. It s coming up real soon extreme poverty, pandemic disease, illiteracy, poor education. This is really global thinking. And he s a pastor. He s a theologian. He s a strategist for global governments. He s a philanthropist. And he founded the Saddleback Church with just one family. And now, there s 30,000 people or more. They have 5,000 small groups or more that meet every week, which is really the crux of his strategy, which is how do we get people living better together. And how do we get healthy together from a spiritual point of view, from a physical point of view. And it s just amazing. And, of Fat Summit 2. All rights reserved. 1

2 course, he wrote the blockbuster book, the best seller I think it sold more books except the Bible nonfiction The Purpose Driven Life. And I m just really excited to have you here, Rick, and be with us. Pastor Warren: Well, Mark, it s great to be with you. I love you. I love all you re doing for the health of America and really all around the world. What you ve done for me personally. And I love our partnership in The Daniel Plan with Daniel Amen. And together, we re trying to get everybody healthier, body, mind, soul, spirit. And the fact that we re better together is one of the big principles of anything that you want to do. When you want to make a major change, you need to know why you re doing it. That s your motivation. And you re going to need to know who you re doing it with because we re better together in community. You re much more consistent when you want to make a change if you do it with other people around you. Dr. Hyman: Yeah, that was so amazing, Rick, when I first met you to get that you had this church that wasn t just about a big mega church. It was like thousands of mini churches where people were these mini little communities together where they support each other to live better lives. And we used that to create the healthy living plan called The Daniel Plan, which is after Daniel from the Bible who resisted the king s temptation of rich food. And we thought a couple hundred people would show up at the meeting. It was like 15,000 people signed up the first week. And they lost a quarter of a million pounds by doing it together. And you created this vision of the motivation, which is why God wants us to be healthy? Like, how do you show up every day and live the life you want on purpose? How do you connect with your friends and family? How do you show up for the work you want to do? How do you be a steward of your community? You can t do that if you feel like crap, right. You have to actually feel good. Pastor Warren: In fact, that s where you have to start. If you want to transform anything in your life, it works really good to actually start at the physical level. Shakespeare once said, It s hard to be a philosopher with a toothache. Dr. Hyman: That s right. Exactly. Pastor Warren: And it s true that a lot of people will go to their temple, their synagogue, their mosque, their church, or whatever. They ll hear a teaching Fat Summit 2. All rights reserved. 2

3 about something they want to work on in their life. And they really have the best intentions to make those changes just like we do around New Years to make all these resolutions. But then, they go home and they sit down on the couch. And they don t do anything about it. And really, it comes down to this word, fatigue, that you have to have energy to make changes. And so I look at this at the fundamental, at the cellular level, you make changes there. Then you can move to the hands and heart and the mind and the lifestyle and all those other things and become the person that you want to be. But really, that starts with giving people the energy to make those changes. Dr. Hyman: Yeah. So people got the internal motivation like, Why. Which is what s the reason. It s not just to look better in your bathing suit. Pastor Warren: Yeah. Yeah. In fact, let me talk to you a little bit about that. Of course, let me just start with the background of The Daniel Plan. As you know, it s a funny story. That for many years, I really abused my body. God gifted me with an enormous amount of energy like he s given to you. And because I had enormous energy, I didn t eat right. I didn t sleep right. I didn t exercise. And I would still have more energy than a lot of other people. But I noticed, as time went on, I started getting more and more sluggish, more brain fog, and my motivation was going down. And one day, I was doing a Baptism. We re a Christian Church. And actually, our church does it the old fashioned way. We have to put people under water. And so on that day, I actually had 869 people to baptize. It was a big, big thing. There were a couple blocks long line waiting in line. We have this big outdoor pool that I was baptizing. And so that meant I m lifting 869 people down into the water and then lifting them back up. And actually about every 50 people, I d change sides so my back wouldn t go out. And so I m doing this. And along about number 500, I had a serendipity. I had a profoundly life-changing thought. It wasn t a very spiritual thought for a pastor, not at all. My reaction was, Wow! Everybody s fat. Dr. Hyman: That s right. Yeah. Pastor Warren: And I was literally feeling the weight of America. I said, This is not your father s Saddleback Church where we were all thin, young, urban professionals, yuppies, in the early days or the 80s. But everybody had been Fat Summit 2. All rights reserved. 3

4 packing on the pounds. I said, Man, America is overweight. And then, the second thought I had was, But I m overweight. I m out of shape. I m a terrible example of this. And I can t expect people to get healthy if I m not healthy because I m supposed to be their coach, their moral leader. And if the pastor isn t healthy, how in the world can I expect them to be healthy. So I remember getting up the next day on Sunday morning. And I m speaking to thousands of people. We have about 25,000, 30,000 people every week at our Saddleback Churches. And I said, Folks, I need to apologize to you. And I used the Bible word. I need to repent. Which means, I need to change my mind. The word repent actually comes from the Greek word metanoia, which means meta to change and noia to change your mind. It just means you ve got stinkin thinking up here. You ve got to do a checkup from the neck up. You got to change your mindset, your mental attitude. So I said, I need to repent about my own health. And I said, I ve only gained a couple of pounds, sometimes two or three pounds a year. But I ve been your pastor for 30 years. Dr. Hyman: Yeah, that s not good math. Pastor Warren: No. No. No. And I said, I need to lose 60, maybe 90 pounds. And I said, So I m going to get the best doctors I know: Mark Hyman, Daniel Amen, Mehmet Oz, a heart doctor, a metabolism doctor, a brain doctor, a psychiatrist and specialist in brain scanning. And I asked the three of you to help me put together a program for me. And I said, Whatever they tell me to do, I m going to do it. And I said, By the way, do any of you want to join with me? As I thought, maybe a couple hundred people would sign up. The very first day, 12,000 people signed up. Twelve thousand people. And, of course, it immediately went to 15,000 and more. We started a website. We did the Know your Numbers. We set up tents every week for a month at the church where people could check with registered nurses and get some basic facts. And we were off and running. And out of that, you were a co-creator of The Daniel Plan. Dr. Hyman: Yeah, they lost a quarter million pounds in the first year. It was amazing. They didn t just lose weight. They got healthy. I remember that story of Daniel. I don t know if you remember. But Daniel and Rebecca, Daniel was 300 pounds and change. He had rheumatoid arthritis, chronic pain, 15 medications. He was in his probably 40s and just dwindling down in terms of his physical life. And without seeing a doctor, he lost like 110 pounds. Got off Fat Summit 2. All rights reserved. 4

5 all his medications. Got healthy. And it was like the most amazing thing. So it wasn t just about weight loss. It was about designing a program to create health. And the weight loss happened. And it was really powerful. Pastor Warren: Yeah, it was really powerful. And part of it was because we just didn t focus on food. There s food and there s focus and there s friends. There s faith. There s fitness, and all of these together. And as you said, the amazing thing about this is people who had been on certain medications for decades, when they got healthy and they lost the weight, when they got stronger, they didn t need the medications you said. We now have a congregation full of people who are walking billboards for the idea of it pays to get healthy. It pays to get fit. It pays to learn how what you put in, what you take out. The famous doctor Hyman line is, We re going to take out all the bad stuff in your body. And we re going to put in all the good stuff. And I think the radical thing that you taught me was that food is more than calories. Food is information. Talk to me about that a little bit. Dr. Hyman: Well, here s the key. The biggest aha for me was you were the food is information but I also got food is medicine. We know how to use food, actually. Pastor Warren: There you go. Food is medicine. That was even the next step. Yeah. Dr. Hyman: And the thing that was more powerful for me was the insight that the community and the groups were medicine. Like, it wasn t just the delivery model for the information, but actually, the community peer support. It wasn t like they were health coaches or nutritionists or doctors running them. They were just what you call hosts. People who have a heart for people, open their homes, served food, and tell a friend. It s like, you actually can create an environment where people hold each other accountable. They help each other. They support each other. They pick them up when they re down. They lift them up. They encourage each other, share recipes, share cooking, share shopping, share a life together. And that was the striking insight for me that it s actually now, in forming my work at Cleveland Clinic, helping to transform the notion of how we deliver healthcare. Instead of the doctor s office, it needs to be in the community, in churches, and so forth. Fat Summit 2. All rights reserved. 5

6 Pastor Warren: Both the Hebrew Bible of the Old Testament and the Christian Bible of the New Testament, it explicitly talks about the importance of community. In Ecclesiastes, it tells us two are better than one because they are more effective together. And a three-fold cord is not easily broken. In other words, the more twine you have wounded strands in the rope, it s going to be strong. And it says two can resist an attack. And that would be temptation. It could be a desire to fall back into an unhealthy or self-destructive lifestyle. Three are even better. So we believe in this community. And as you pointed out, Saddleback is actually the only congregation in America of any religion that has more people in small groups that actually show up for the worship services on the weekend. This weekend we ll have somewhere between 26,000 to 30,000 people in our services of the Saddleback campuses. But during the week, I have about 40,000 people that meet in these small groups. We now have 8,400 small groups spread all over Southern California from San Diego to Santa Monica. In fact, every city in Southern California has at least one Saddleback small group in it. Now, this is where life change takes place. In a large group, you can get information. And like, if I m teaching, it s, Sit still while I instill. But in the small group, there s transformation because people are supporting each other, encouraging each other, holding each other accountable. And that s the real power of community. Dr. Hyman: And you did this, not just at your church. You ve done this with a The Purpose Driven Life through ten million people around the world, joining in small groups to hold each other to live better lives through The Purpose Driven Life, which is amazing. And now, we ve created a curriculum with The Daniel Plan, which is a yearlong curriculum that we re spreading through churches all around the world. In fact, in Cleveland now, we have about a dozen churches doing this. And I m meeting next week with Diaz Cumming from the Saddleback Church. And we re going to do a whole event with pastors in Cleveland. And we re just growing and growing this whole movement. Pastor Warren: Well, you know what? It has expanded where originally we first just started folks around how can we get our eating plan in shape? And how do we, as you say, put in the good stuff and not eat the bad stuff? But then, we began to expand. And, for instance, we now have a park course around our church campus with different stations that people come. We do a thing called, walk and worship, where people walk together and then they Fat Summit 2. All rights reserved. 6

7 sing at the end. We have Zumba classes. We have all kinds of things where people in community are growing together. People with religious backgrounds and people with no religious backgrounds. And the point is anybody can start a group. You can get a few of your friends and say, Let s do this together. And when you do it together, it s going to be so much more fun. And you re going to be so much more consistent. Dr. Hyman: The favorite line you always say is, Every body needs a buddy. Pastor Warren: That s right. That s right. Dr. Hyman: I love that. And what s really amazing is that now we re scaling this. And that people know that this is a powerful model. And that doing this together is really the key. And it s what we re learning about the science of behavior changes. It s like it s hard to do it on your own. And it s so powerful. But I have a question. Your congregation was really overweight. The average weight was 170 for women, like 210 for men. They were really unhealthy. They were having ice cream socials and pancake breakfasts. The men were having [inaudible] for breakfast to bring the men into the church. You had soda everywhere. It was like doughnuts and coffee. Come to church. And how did that like culture shift? Like, how did people respond to that? Were they resisting it? Were they into it? Like, how did that happen? Pastor Warren: Well, there s a couple of things. That goes back again to motivation. Dr. Hyman: I always joke. It was like you were trying to get your congregation to Heaven early with all that stuff. Pastor Warren: Yeah. Exactly. I would say, I don t want you guys dying early on me. Okay. I want you to be around here as long as you need to be around. As God wants you to be around. And the more fit you are, the more effective, you ll be to make a positive difference in the world. Like what we were talking about earlier the Peace Plan: peace of promote reconciliation, equip ethical leaders, assist the poor, care for the sick, educate the next generation. I ve had now over 26,000 members of Saddleback Church have gone and served in humanitarian causes through the Peace Plan to 197 nations, literally, every nation in the world. These are volunteers that go of their own time. Well, certainly, couldn t have gone there if they felt bad. Fat Summit 2. All rights reserved. 7

8 Dr. Hyman: No. No. Pastor Warren: And so we started off with your physical biological health in that area. Now, in terms of changing culture, it s like this. If you got a scale in your mind of the bad things and the good things, every time you put a little pebble over here, this starts to go down a little bit. And this starts to go up. And so you have more good, than you have bad. Now, a lot of people, when your scale is like this, and you got more bad than good, there s a word for that. It s called depression. It is called lethargy. It s called fatigue. It s called, sometimes if it s really bad, it s despair. And so you have to start putting, not just good food, but good thoughts, good support, good behavior on this side. And as it starts to go, it shifts. Now, when you get it right about here where it s even, you don t feel either good or bad. You just feel blah. Just a normal, and just not excited or not sad. That s okay. That s progress. It s a whole lot better than depression. You know how many people today are on depression medications around the world. And so you get here. But the more you put these little pebbles over here, it goes down. And when you get this like this, now, you ve got happiness because you ve got more good in your life than you ve got the sad or the bad. And so Dr. Hyman: But in the Church, you took out all of the bad stuff pretty quick. Like, all of a sudden, people weren t having all this junk around. And you changed what was in the refinery and the cafeterias. It was a big change. Pastor Warren: Right. Some of the stuff, you just have to cold turkey on it. And the reason why is Dr. Hyman: How did the church respond? Like, were like people fighting it or? Were people fighting it? Pastor Warren: it s like an alcoholic who s going to say, Well, I m going to cut back to 10 drinks this week. Or I m going to cut back to three packs of cigarettes. That s not going to work. You just need to stop it. So we pretty much cleared the field of junk food in the refinery and so things like that earlier on, which is our little café. For those people who don t know what it is. It s like a café on a church campus. And I actually got an idea from Michelle Obama who said, We put green, yellow, and red originally. And then, we just took off the red. And it said, Green, this is good to eat. Yellow, this use with caution. And red, this is Fat Summit 2. All rights reserved. 8

9 not good for you. Dr. Hyman: It s going to kill you. Pastor Warren: And then, we finally just took the red out. Dr. Hyman: That s good. But did the church fight it? Like, did people just adopt it or like were they..? Because it seems like what happened was, I don t know how this happened, but almost overnight, everybody bought into this and was supportive of it and engaged in it and excited about it. And it was like a radical change. Pastor Warren: Well, let me apply this. In the first place, it starts with the leader. The speed of the leader is the speed of the team. So if you have a company, a business, if you ve got a social society like PTA or something like that, the leader really needs to get onboard. And I modelled it first by admitting that I needed help. And that would say, Hey, anybody want to join me? And to go, Well, that gave permission for people to admit Dr. Hyman: You were human. You were human. You were human. No, you were human. Pastor Warren: that I m human. That I m normal. That everybody struggles with the exact same thing. People always tell me this. You know, Rick, when you speak, I feel like you re speaking directly to me. And I say, Well, I am in a sense because I just figure out what I need to hear. And I figure if it helps me, it s going to help you, too. So if I figure out, Well, I need help on this, then, I m figuring somebody else does, too. So we started clearing things. But then, we began providing the alternative. And so it s not just stop the negative. It s promote the positive alternative, replace it. And when you begin to replace it with healthy activities, healthy food, healthy relationships, it s like with students. Teenagers and kids are going to be a part of a group, either a good one or a bad one. If you don t give them a good support group, they re going to be a part of a bad one in school. So the point is-- Dr. Hyman: Like, gangs form because it s a part of a group. Pastor Warren: give them the support that they need to make the decision because it s cool to do the right thing. It s cool to do the healthy thing. Fat Summit 2. All rights reserved. 9

10 Dr. Hyman: It s leveraging the power of positive peer support, which is a real thing. It s very powerful. Pastor Warren: It is. Dr. Hyman: All right let s talk about like what actually we did because the diet was designed based on the science of functional medicine, using food as medicine. It was delicious, yummy food. People loved it. It wasn t deprivation. And it was like, it was actually very high in fat. It was about 50% fat. Very little starch and sugar, coming off processed food. And like, people responded. And how was it for you? Because I know you had your own struggle. And we d recently been working together on your health. And you lost what? Like 60 pounds recently because you shifted. Pastor Warren: Yeah 50. And here s the thing. I m on a second batch of The Daniel Plan right now, which is a high-ketogenic diet, as your book talks about. And the bottom line on that is personally, I found that the number one culprit in whether I was gaining weight or whether I was losing weight, was my sleep. I have struggled with a sleep disorder my entire life and have been to Mayo Clinic and lots of different places around the world. And even today, we re working on some experimental things. One time, I met some doctors at Mayo. And they said, We might name a syndrome after you. I go, Oh, great. Thanks. But the point is for me, the first step was get enough sleep. And because if my body would not shut down, that was going to create cravings. It was going to create fat storage. It was going to create all those things. So for me, I had to start at that level. And actually, even this year, I went through a period, I ve been going through a period where I was at the same weight. And I wasn t losing. I still have some more that I want to lose. And so what did I do? I went back to the sleep specialist, and said, Okay, help me get this in order. And as I ve done that, guess what? All of a sudden, I ve got the energy. And I ve got the willpower. And I ve got the strength, and things like that. So you need to look at the whole part of your body. It s not simply just the food plan. It s what else? Do you need to lower your stress? Do you need to raise your peacefulness in your mind and things like that? Dr. Hyman: So what happened to your like Fat Summit 2. All rights reserved. 10

11 Pastor Warren: Let me say that the other thing though that motivates me long term, every religion values taking care of your body, whether it s Buddhism, it s Judaism, Islam, Christianity, or whatever, as a Christian one of the things we say is, Okay, God made my body. His son died for my body. The Spirit lives in my body. He expects me to take care of it. So we say, Okay, I don t have the right to mess up something God created. We re all worried about and we should be pollution in the world, air pollution, water pollution, and things like that. We should be because we should take care of the planet God gave us. But we pollute our bodies and we even pollute our minds all the time. And we don t even think twice. You might go to a water pollution rally or a climate change rally, and you re eating pollution for your own body. Dr. Hyman: That s right. No, it s true. So when you would struggle with cravings in your diet, like something we did switched everything. What happened besides the sleep? Pastor Warren: Yeah. Well, here s an amazing thing about the high-ketogenic diet Dr. Hyman: Which means a lot of fat, like 60% or 70% fat. Pastor Warren: eat more fat. And I literally was eating a lot, up to 70%. Now good fat avocado oil and some coconut oil and things like this the cravings just went away, which is an amazing thing. Because I can t tell you how many diets I went on over 20 years that was basically a little piece of chicken and some salad. I m nearly 6 3. That did not satisfy me. Before I was finished, I was hungry again. It was not taking away my cravings. It wasn t taking away my appetite at all. But when you introduced the whole idea of, Okay, it s sugar. It s those unrefined carbs that are making you crave, and we raised the fat level, it did several things to me. First, this is funny. Everybody knows my skin got better. Okay. Actually, my skin got healthier. But it took away the cravings. It gave me a lot more energy. It raised my metabolism. It did all of the things you talk about in your book. I m example A. I m exhibit A of this thing works. Dr. Hyman: Which is sort of the opposite of what we d all been taught, right. You should cut the fat to lose weight because it s adding more calories. It s going to be fattening. Fat is fattening. It actually is the opposite. It s like, it s Fat Summit 2. All rights reserved. 11

12 great to hear your story about that. And it s a lot of the science around this is what the whole Daniel Plan is based on. Pastor Warren: Well, if you go back and study where are these whole original ideas of minimal fat and high-carb diets that America s been on for the last 50 years, there s some sketchy collusions in there with companies that wanted you eating their products and didn t want you eating other products. And, of course, they re going to get behind anything that would promote, Hey, they re going to eat more of our stuff and less of stuff we don t make. Dr. Hyman: That s right. That s so true. Pastor Warren: So it s sad, but true. But profit motivation has often led Americans to a very poor diet. Dr. Hyman: Yeah. Our food system is so screwed up. And it s driving so much of the problem. And I think you re working on all those political levels, it s really important. And you re working Pastor Warren: The problem with this, Mark because I spend a lot of time around the world. I ve been in 164 countries. I was just with a group of 2,000 Rwandans yesterday in San Francisco but is that the rest of the world is adopting the American diet. And guess what? They re all raising As China has become more and more progressive in their economics, as the per capita income has raised, so has the weight and so has the waistline. And I ve been going to China for years. I ve had two state dinners in People s Hall with the Chinese Politburo. And the difference between when I first started going there 25 years ago and today, everybody was thin 25 years ago. They re not that way anymore. Dr. Hyman: No. We ve created the worst diet on the planet and exported it to every country. And I was just talking to a friend of mine who works in Geneva as part of a non-profit looking at chronic disease. And she says that the amount of lobbying by the food industry It was a whole food industry association there to the WHO to prevent them from dealing with these food issues in these countries. And these countries are getting so much of this processed food that you now see 80% of the world s type 2 diabetics in the developing world. It s pretty frightening. And it s all this starch and sugar and processed food. It s really bad. Fat Summit 2. All rights reserved. 12

13 Pastor Warren: I don t know why but somehow we ve got to put pressure on everybody to say, Hey, the healthiest food should be the most available and the least expensive. It actually, when people are poor, junk food is cheaper. And that gives a lot of problems to a lot of people because they don t know. It s easier to just buy a.15 bag of macaroni and cheese kind of a thing that was all processed and super refined carbs and Dr. Hyman: But it s true. And we talked about what is the real price of a can of soda. It should be the cost of what we re doing to the environment by growing the food the way they re doing it, by the cost to] cover a person. Pastor Warren: The other thing that we have to look at today, and I know you ve talked this with people who follow you, is that just because it says, healthy, or has some health term on the label does not mean it s healthy at all. Talk about that a little bit. Dr. Hyman: Well, you know, it s gluten-free. It must be healthy. Well, it s gluten-free cake and cookies. They re still cake and cookies. So like allnatural sugar is still sugar. I think people get misled by that. Pastor Warren: Yeah. And a lot of these energy drinks have as much sugar in them as a can of soda. Dr. Hyman: It s true. Yeah, it s so true. Well, it s pretty exciting. And I think people, also we need to realize that this is a scalable model. That what we created with The Daniel Plan, we wrote The Daniel Plan book, which I wanted to call The Jewish Doctor s Guide for Christian Wellness. Pastor Warren: Which, by the way, you are the only Jewish doctor to win Christian book of the year award. So I love that. Dr. Hyman: Well, there was this one other Jewish guy who won it. There s one other Jewish guy who wrote a book. That was like a couple thousand years ago. That was good. Pastor Warren: Yeah, yeah, that s true. That is true. Dr. Hyman: And there is the program that we developed with it. And now, it s really accessible for people to use. And I encourage people who are watching, if they have a faith-based community, this is a really applicable model. And if you don t, this can be done a secular way. We re doing that at Cleveland. We re looking to add a modelist. And it s really, what we talked about a few years Fat Summit 2. All rights reserved. 13

14 ago, whether it s a synagogue or a mosque or anywhere you are, if it s a company, this model of peer support, of doing it together, of community as medicine, is really, really critical. That s so important. Pastor Warren: That s it. There s a verse in the Bible that says, Where two or three people are there, God says, I m there with you. And there s something power about the power of community. And so I would encourage you to get a few other people and make these lifestyle changes with others. It will work better. And you ll enjoy it a whole lot more. Dr. Hyman: It s great. So food is medicine. Community is medicine. And that s really the message of The Daniel Plan. It s really about Pastor Warren: It really is. It really is. Dr. Hyman: Rick, and I m just so grateful to you for being a leader in this space, for understanding the problem, for getting this, and for taking the risk in your congregation to do something radically different. And it s really changing the world. Pastor Warren: Well, I m exhibit A. And I would say to everybody else, if you want to feel better, it starts with a change. The change really starts in your mind. And that is what s more important than the way I m going to feel from eating this food is the way I m going to feel better by not eating it. And reward yourself. Reward yourself with good rewards. Reward yourself. You start to look at junk food as poison. Don t look at it as pleasure. Start to look at it as poison. I wouldn t put arsenic in my body. Dr. Hyman: It s true. I go by that. It doesn t even look like food to me anymore. It s like I m looking at a rock. I m like, I wouldn t eat that. That s not actually food. Like, if I go into Starbucks and I see all that stuff in the pastry cabinet, I m like, That doesn t look eatable to me. It doesn t look like nourishment. It doesn t look like something my body even wants. It s like, not that I m depriving myself because I don t want to deprive myself. But it s like after a while, your body shifts. And that s the beauty of this whole approach. And it s really amazing. So I encourage people that are watching, go to TheDanielPlan.com. Check out Saddleback.com, Rick s work. It s really inspiring. I know you ve got a new book coming out. You re writing another book. Pastor Warren: I m writing one right now called The Hope You Need. And it s Fat Summit 2. All rights reserved. 14

15 on the anecdote to the 10 greatest causes of hopelessness. Dr. Hyman: That s great. Well, we all need more hope in today s world. It s often fraught with sadness and difficulty. And I m all about hope. So thank you for joining us, Rick. And great to have you. I love you. Pastor Warren: Love you, too. Dr. Hyman: We re going to keep doing The Daniel Plan and change the world. Pastor Warren: All right. Thanks, everybody! And those of you who are watching online, if you re ever in Southern California and you stop by here, you can meet with any of our Daniel Plan staff. They ll help you start a group in your area with a service club at your synagogue, your church, whatever, because you can do this. It s an add water and stir program that anybody can do this. Just get a couple of friends. Dr. Hyman: It s true. And you ve even created a campaign kit for pastors for their churches where they have all the sermons. They have all the information. And we re doing this in Cleveland. It s really real exciting. I did a talk to about like 100 pastors. We ve got about almost 20 churches to sign up. It s really, it s exciting. Pastor Warren: Wow! That s great. So thank you, Mark! Dr. Hyman: Thank you, Rick! We ll talk soon. Fat Summit 2. All rights reserved. 15